alcazar

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Absolutely, and they need to wake up and smell the coffee.

But you all know the old adage: "there's none so blind as them that won't see".

Their job is getting harder, with less and less public support, but it's not their fault?

"Ve vere chust obeyink orders, mein herr!"

Alcazar

Hanslow

It's a shame that people feel the way they do but I guess that's a sign of the times

The real failing for me is the CPS, with too lenient sentences and no real deterrents. I have family both in the Police force and the Prison service so no direct info/opinions but (probably biased) ones from people who do work there. The police do catch a large number of criminals but unfortunately the offenders seem to get a cushy number in jail or community service.

Harsh as it may sound, I would like to see punishment for repeat offenders along the lines of Saudi for thieves, etc.

It's not the family ties that have caused me to post the views and opinions that I have, more that it seemed a one sided discussion with some face value facts which is now not completely so. The Police force people I know always seemed to work long hours and at times seemed to despair about what they would face day to day and how the criminals were now being portrayed as the victim.

When we got burgled a few years back, in talking to the Police officers that attended, we were told if we had left water on the window sill where the crim had entered the building and they had slipped and broke a limb, they could have sued us for negligence. It seemed to have no bearing that they were breaking and entering and if they hadn't have been there they would have been OK, but that was not the Police's fault, that was the fault of the CPS, lawyers and the judicial system. Also the fact that the crim who broke into our house, who did get caught, fessed up to ours and 23 other crimes whilst serving (a short) sentence, and then got the 23 crimes waived as he was already showing signs of changing, didn't sit too well with us

I agree that something needs to change, but I don't think that vilification of the Police force is the way to make that change Those are of course, as always, my opinions, and you have every right to disagree and I appreciate those of you that have taken the time to read my posts and have reasoned discussions about the points raised

Luan Pra bang

I have to say that I never expected too much help from the Police but getting robbed 9 or 10 times and telling the police the names and address of one of those responsable , then having the police confirm that they know who has commited the mini crime wave that started in this little village and then giving them cctv footage of a number of crimes and getting no response by the police whatsoever sums it all up for me. The police would not even interview someone caught red handed during a robbery with 3 witnesses and cctv. Police are Usless and who's fault it is does not change the fact that they crap at preventing and solving crime. I don't expect them to wipe my **** for me but some help in any way would be appreciated.

fatherpierre

Once again - the ignornant making assumptions.

The LAW, made by governments prevents police from doing so much.

Police act within PACE 1984, which leaves them tied to rules that if they break, the case is thrown out. The CPS want blood before they will allow even the simplest of cases (shoplifters etc.) to be charged.

And, when the pieces of **** who do the crimes get to court, they are given the lightest of sentences.

I know robbers (robbery carries a max of life inside) who have been arrested, charged and appeared in court 4 times before they even get a bit of time locked up. And burglars get drug programmes instead of time inside now. Or the laughable drug dealer who admitted to it and got a £50 fine...........

The law, procedure and penal system in this country is like most other things - LAX. Human rights rules and it's having the p1ss taken out of it.

Vegescoob

So, we have many of the population complaining about the state of law and order in this country and now a member of the Police force.
Perhaps this goes to show that we no longer live in a democracy but a state where a few can ensure their agenda influences the lawmakers and the execution of those laws.

fatherpierre

Everyone likes a moan - I'm no different.

But back to the original point (sort of):

we all know the fines/signs/points for driving, and no one passes their test whilst driving without their seatbelt on, using their mobile phone, driving an unisured/untaxed car or speeding/driving like a **** or ignoring traffic signs.

You take the risk, you play the revenue game - someone's got to enforce the rules.

Personally, I use the discression I'm allowed with motoring offences.

Vegescoob

I have no beef with that.
But as part of my contract with the State, in return for my being law abiding, I expect criminals to be dealt with and not in the way you have described.
That contract for many, me included, has now become meaningless. That is why you hear so many complaints on here.
A "crime number" for one's insurance company is not law enforcement.

fatherpierre

The sad fact is that there is so much crime that the police 'services' would need to be 30x what they now to investigate all the low level crime that plagues our green and pleasant land.

dexter

The sad fact about all this is that there is no longer any deterrent, so many people are just doing what they want.

Because they can, and there is no longer anyone there to stop them, as the Police had their "teeth removed" many years ago.

So until someone who is governing this Country stands up to be counted, and restores the deterrent, then it will just get worse.

fatherpierre

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Human rights removed the teeth.

Now everyone, regardless of who they are, where they're from/where they should be, what they've done has the same rights as the model citizen who works hard, pays their taxes and contributes in a positive way to society.

r32

Sadly speeding is actually a victimless crime. Just exceeding the speed limit doesnt mean any one was hurt. injured or killed. OK thats 'speeding' not other offences. And yes I know that potentially the result of speeding could mean some one gets hurt. but then it becomes other than speeding.

Where as a crime against a person or property which does cause hurt and loss seems to be somewhere lower on the scale.
I have a friend in the Bill (30 years) and he says most of it is about revenue.
We have all had some contact with real crime and been disgusted at a) the lack of action, b) the lack of any available officers and c) the lack of a decent sentance when the scum do get caught.

Luan Pra bang

Pease tell me how I am ignorant and what assumptions I am Making ? When
people you know attempt to rob you during trading hours in front of witness's I at least expect the Police involved to interview or arrest them. Wether or not a conviction can be secured is a different thing to arresting a person who has comitted a crime an saying,4 people saw you here during an attempted robbery and supplied us with your name and address so what do you have to say on the matter.
I have never expected the Police to investigate most of these crimes but when you can supply a name and address I expect more than aphone call to say they won't interview the person I watched commit a crime.
Its funny how in view of the police nothing is ever their own fault. Any Policeman claims that Police are blameless for everything including shooting innocent Brazilians or driving at 159mph when off duty. At some point people have to accept responsablilty for their own failures and the police force always seem to have a line of excuses to say it wasn't us its the government.