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20 September 2005, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by craigdmcd
Is the Seat Web site down or something? Has anyone checked the EVO owner's website - are they taking abuse for driving EVO 260's? Is this maybe because Seat never produced a quality WRC machine that didn't take a whipping (Does anyone want to go on the Seat Website and remind them about the Cordoba WRC?). So a LCR is quicker than a standard WRX up a dual carriageway or some straight road. Who gives a ****? I'm taking my WRX PPP to the Isle Of Mull to watch one of the greatest closed road rallies in the World. If any Seat drivers would care to challenge me on the roads to this event (the style for which Imprezas were built), I'll gladly accept, but they better make sure their are like "Buster Gonad and his Unfeasably Large *********".
Oh, incidentally, I'm not in IT, drive and test fast cars for a living, and then compete in Motorsport at weekends
Oh, incidentally, I'm not in IT, drive and test fast cars for a living, and then compete in Motorsport at weekends
20 September 2005, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by automodellistagt
its all pub talk, remember argueing on the internet is like runnning in the special olympics. You may win, but your still a spastic
get to a track or the pod :roll:
get to a track or the pod :roll:
20 September 2005, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
chipped this and chipped that.... 
the figures speak for themselves....
even the slowest of the production scoobs (bug wrx) is quicker than Seat Leons quickest factory cars. 30-70mph the slowest Scoob does it in 5.8secs and the quicker ones in 4.8secs. Compare that the Leons finest @ 6.0secs. And that is using figures from the weakest area of the Subaru (mid range, rolling).
Its not even worth mentioning standing starts, grip or twists.
The Leons are v good FWD cars, and yes they would be comparable with the slowest scoobs from midrange...I wouldnt go as far as saying a LCR is quicker than the slowest of scoobs midrange though as the figures suggest otherwise.
Bob
the figures speak for themselves....
even the slowest of the production scoobs (bug wrx) is quicker than Seat Leons quickest factory cars. 30-70mph the slowest Scoob does it in 5.8secs and the quicker ones in 4.8secs. Compare that the Leons finest @ 6.0secs. And that is using figures from the weakest area of the Subaru (mid range, rolling).
Its not even worth mentioning standing starts, grip or twists.
The Leons are v good FWD cars, and yes they would be comparable with the slowest scoobs from midrange...I wouldnt go as far as saying a LCR is quicker than the slowest of scoobs midrange though as the figures suggest otherwise.
Bob
There are videos of clio sports beating tuned classics up a 1/4 mile! Do i really need to get them out and embarrass you all?
Says it all really! Dont know where you got these figures from bob? Were they for the 210bhp car? I think you'll find they are
Face it a WRX is not a quick car. Isn't this what this threads about?
20 September 2005, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
Drive and test fast cars for a living, i guess its only natural to wanna drive a pretend rally car during the week then.
I thought you had signed off and gone to check out if your website was back up and running anyway.
20 September 2005, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
LOL Bob, you and your figures that mean nothing! A clio with 170bhp will push along a WRX, never mind a Cupra R with 225.
There are videos of clio sports beating tuned classics up a 1/4 mile! Do i really need to get them out and embarrass you all?
Says it all really! Dont know where you got these figures from bob? Were they for the 210bhp car? I think you'll find they are
Face it a WRX is not a quick car. Isn't this what this threads about?
There are videos of clio sports beating tuned classics up a 1/4 mile! Do i really need to get them out and embarrass you all?
Says it all really! Dont know where you got these figures from bob? Were they for the 210bhp car? I think you'll find they are
Face it a WRX is not a quick car. Isn't this what this threads about?
20 September 2005, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Juliano
Mate ur avin a laugh aint u! 
I eat Cupra R's for Breakfast ,dinner and lunch.
Ive already seen off 3 and one was chipped runnin 240bhp oh forgot@ the wheels
You aint got a prayer were you located? Im ready to challenge you anytime
I eat Cupra R's for Breakfast ,dinner and lunch.Ive already seen off 3 and one was chipped runnin 240bhp oh forgot@ the wheels
You aint got a prayer were you located? Im ready to challenge you anytime
in a 330bhp 1250kg 4wd impreza. You'd get demolished mate! This car pushes along 4.5 cerberas FFS!He aint going to struggle with a 330hp scooby!
Some scooby owners living in fantasy land i think!
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20 September 2005, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Your having a laugh right? You'll be eating no cupra r's for breakfast! You must have been racing the 1.6 version leon 
Are you serious about taking on a 350bhp FWD 1100kg ibiza You'd get demolished mate! This car pushes along 4.5 cerberas FFS!
He aint going to struggle with a 330hp scooby!
Some scooby owners living in fantasy land i think!
Are you serious about taking on a 350bhp FWD 1100kg ibiza
You'd get demolished mate! This car pushes along 4.5 cerberas FFS!He aint going to struggle with a 330hp scooby!
Some scooby owners living in fantasy land i think!
20 September 2005, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Your having a laugh right? You'll be eating no cupra r's for breakfast! You must have been racing the 1.6 version leon
Are you serious about taking on a 350bhp FWD 1100kg ibiza You'd get demolished mate! This car pushes along 4.5 cerberas FFS!
He aint going to struggle with a 330hp scooby!
Some scooby owners living in fantasy land i think!
Are you serious about taking on a 350bhp FWD 1100kg ibiza
You'd get demolished mate! This car pushes along 4.5 cerberas FFS!He aint going to struggle with a 330hp scooby!
Some scooby owners living in fantasy land i think!
ME MAXED 1.2. CORSA BUST YOU ALL GOOD! ITS GOT A DUMP VALVE, INNIT!
The Facts:
A Std Bugeye IS faster than A cupra R 225.
A Classic is faster than both.
A Cupra 225 can be made faster than a Bugeye in a straight line
A Bugeye can be made faster than a Cupra 225 in a straight line
The Bugeye WILL always be better than the Cupra in the bends- simple traction and grip advantage afforded by the 4wd and relatively low centre of gravity.
If it rains: Game set and match Scooby.
You pays your money you take your choice.
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20 September 2005, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
True mate, in the 0-60 dash 4wd is always going to be a winner but i do believe he challenged a 30-130 with an IHI ibiza!
im sure my 215bhp would be alright as it has 242lbs 
20 September 2005, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
LOL, says who?? BOB?
Throw in twisties especially when adverse conditions come into play and its the Scooby all the way I'm afraid.
That's not to say the Leon Isn't a very good car -it is- especially when value for money is considered, but sometimes I think their owners are just as guilty of the "underdog invincibility complex" that afflicts some Scooby drivers!
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20 September 2005, 11:40 PM
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In fact evo have the car timed 30-70 in 5.5secs and thats for the 225 version. Bob has quoted autocar and 30-70 of the 210 version!
With a remap that 5.5secs comes drastically down and at a guess well under 5secs!
Im just trying to hunt the group test where they pitted a wrx against a cliosport and the cliosport come out on top. It was in evo around a year ago! I want to see the bugeye in gear times as i'd put my house on it that a cupra r has a quicker mid range.
Anyway this thread is not about whats faster as the thread starter has already confirmed this
Guys no-one is doubting the impreza is a cracking car! Its just not as quick as some people are led to believe! Yes i'd rather have 1 in the wet/in the twisties and for traffic light G.P's but its image is at rock bottom due to the lexus light max power brigade getting there greasy mits on them
With a remap that 5.5secs comes drastically down and at a guess well under 5secs!
Im just trying to hunt the group test where they pitted a wrx against a cliosport and the cliosport come out on top. It was in evo around a year ago! I want to see the bugeye in gear times as i'd put my house on it that a cupra r has a quicker mid range.
Anyway this thread is not about whats faster as the thread starter has already confirmed this
Guys no-one is doubting the impreza is a cracking car! Its just not as quick as some people are led to believe! Yes i'd rather have 1 in the wet/in the twisties and for traffic light G.P's but its image is at rock bottom due to the lexus light max power brigade getting there greasy mits on them
20 September 2005, 11:58 PM
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Well to be fair Mitchy, the LCR is so good that I almost had one until the idiot of a salesman told me that in no way, shape or form could I have discount on one (paying cash!), so I went along to a Subaru garage a month later who gave me around 7-8% discount and I shook on a deal within 30 mins. The really sad bit of me quite likes when people admire the looks of the WRX (it does have the STi wing and PFF7's), and young boys ask the good ol' "How fast is it Mister?". I don't think I would have got that with a LCR. But at least I can reply now "Well apparently a chipped LCR is quicker"
21 September 2005, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
LOL Bob, you and your figures that mean nothing! A clio with 170bhp will push along a WRX, never mind a Cupra R with 225.
.......whats this then....?
Originally Posted by Mitchy260
In fact evo have the car timed 30-70 in 5.5secs and thats for the 225 version.
With a remap that 5.5secs comes drastically down and at a guess well under 5secs!
With a remap that 5.5secs comes drastically down and at a guess well under 5secs!
Originally Posted by Mitchy260
There are videos of clio sports beating tuned classics up a 1/4 mile! Do i really need to get them out and embarrass you all?
Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Says it all really! Dont know where you got these figures from bob? Were they for the 210bhp car? I think you'll find they are
Only figures to hand were for the 210bhp model (I didnt know there were different Rs)
Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Face it a WRX is not a quick car. Isn't this what this threads about?
21 September 2005, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by craigdmcd
The really sad bit of me quite likes when people admire the looks of the WRX (it does have the STi wing and PFF7's), and young boys ask the good ol' "How fast is it Mister?". I don't think I would have got that with a LCR. But at least I can reply now "Well apparently a chipped LCR is quicker"
21 September 2005, 12:23 AM
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Hi all,
This is my first post on here, although I have been a voyeur on here for some time now and a member since mid-August.
As my name suggests, I drive a LCR. It's an 05 reg, minimal miles at present and completely standard. I like it a lot. My opinions?
Well, Craig, if you only bought the Impreza to impress young boys then I am quite worried. A bag of sweets should do the trick! I talk from experience that my motor gets a lot of looks and I work with kids aged 11-16 who are car-crazy. They all love cars, they play the games, watch pimp my ride etc. and they all comment on how cool the car is. Fair enough, it doesn't have that rally-bred image of the Scoob, but in essence, this is part of the fun (as the initial poster on here found out!). I like the look of the Leon, quite mean, nice red brakes, way more powerul than the Audis but it is also not as in your face of other vehicles. It's nice when little Saxo boys or barry BMW wants to race and gets blown away.
The truth be told, if I could sell up now and get a new car, I would love a Scoob. Before I hit 200BHP plus, I drove a 1.4 and I went out in a friend's WRX (a member on this very forum!) It was a fantastic drive and I came away really impressed. I doubt I would go for the WRX as I have played with a few of them in my LCR and they don't stand much of a chance. I would ultimately want a Prodrive, WR1 or something special but the insurance won't touch me (aged 22) on even a standard WRX so I've no chance on the greater models.
I do miss the AWD that a Scoobie would give, having just come from a Quattro Audi S3, but handling? This 4WD talk is nonsense. Sure, my old S3 had grip but there is a difference between grip and handling. Ok, 225 horsies is a lot to handle in the wet. I wish I didn't live in rainy Manchester, but when the sun shines and the roads are dry, it's pretty damn good. handling is good. You have to drive the LCR without blinking, you have to be on the ball but it's well worth it. Straight line speed is very good. Midrange is excellent and it's very quick in gear. I've raced a friend in his S3 and he was surprised that a pulled a distance quite quickly on him. I'm not going to chat ****, I didn't "blow him away", but I pulled on him and for a car with 2,000 miles on the clock it served me well. A remap would really make this car fierce competition.
I think we all need to stop saying our car is the fastest thing ever to hit the road. There's always something faster....
MY LCR!
Only joking!
This is my first post on here, although I have been a voyeur on here for some time now and a member since mid-August.
As my name suggests, I drive a LCR. It's an 05 reg, minimal miles at present and completely standard. I like it a lot. My opinions?
Well, Craig, if you only bought the Impreza to impress young boys then I am quite worried. A bag of sweets should do the trick! I talk from experience that my motor gets a lot of looks and I work with kids aged 11-16 who are car-crazy. They all love cars, they play the games, watch pimp my ride etc. and they all comment on how cool the car is. Fair enough, it doesn't have that rally-bred image of the Scoob, but in essence, this is part of the fun (as the initial poster on here found out!). I like the look of the Leon, quite mean, nice red brakes, way more powerul than the Audis but it is also not as in your face of other vehicles. It's nice when little Saxo boys or barry BMW wants to race and gets blown away.
The truth be told, if I could sell up now and get a new car, I would love a Scoob. Before I hit 200BHP plus, I drove a 1.4 and I went out in a friend's WRX (a member on this very forum!) It was a fantastic drive and I came away really impressed. I doubt I would go for the WRX as I have played with a few of them in my LCR and they don't stand much of a chance. I would ultimately want a Prodrive, WR1 or something special but the insurance won't touch me (aged 22) on even a standard WRX so I've no chance on the greater models.
I do miss the AWD that a Scoobie would give, having just come from a Quattro Audi S3, but handling? This 4WD talk is nonsense. Sure, my old S3 had grip but there is a difference between grip and handling. Ok, 225 horsies is a lot to handle in the wet. I wish I didn't live in rainy Manchester, but when the sun shines and the roads are dry, it's pretty damn good. handling is good. You have to drive the LCR without blinking, you have to be on the ball but it's well worth it. Straight line speed is very good. Midrange is excellent and it's very quick in gear. I've raced a friend in his S3 and he was surprised that a pulled a distance quite quickly on him. I'm not going to chat ****, I didn't "blow him away", but I pulled on him and for a car with 2,000 miles on the clock it served me well. A remap would really make this car fierce competition.
I think we all need to stop saying our car is the fastest thing ever to hit the road. There's always something faster....
MY LCR!
Only joking!
21 September 2005, 02:54 AM
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Dear oh dear. you get some scally in a cut price audi beating a bog standard wrx and they think they are jason bloody plato.
wake up guys..like for like seat leon cupra r 225..top spec fastest seat produced vs subaru impreza wr1. pair both off on a track..quarter mile..anywhere!!! its safe to say i wont be bettin my mortgage on the 4 door hatch.
it really is this simple.... ever seen a leon do a sub 10 second quarter mile? nah me neither..seen a scooby do it though. a few times.
i know of a fwd car on here that would hand all your seat ***** back to you in a sling..and its a vauxhall!!! best you put up and shut up at ten of the best 5 lol.
wake up guys..like for like seat leon cupra r 225..top spec fastest seat produced vs subaru impreza wr1. pair both off on a track..quarter mile..anywhere!!! its safe to say i wont be bettin my mortgage on the 4 door hatch.
it really is this simple.... ever seen a leon do a sub 10 second quarter mile? nah me neither..seen a scooby do it though. a few times.
i know of a fwd car on here that would hand all your seat ***** back to you in a sling..and its a vauxhall!!! best you put up and shut up at ten of the best 5 lol.
21 September 2005, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Looks to me like 'RR' is sidestepping his own challenges?
What challenge, i have demolished all who tried so far the links prove that ,the ones who have tried have had there ****'s handed to them on a plate. You can talk qtr mile's 0-60mph, ten of the best but in real world conditions under normal real world driving situations they all lost. Sti's, tuned classics, wrx's with PPP. How can you argue with threads started by scooby owners who have said they were done.
Buts lets face it, you have taken the bait once again and are sat at your computers raging about being beaten by a Lcr. This is where the diff lies in our feelings on the subject, i dont care if a scoob, Evo, Nova, Saxo, Clio beats me, because if it does then he/she has done the ground work on the car to be able to do it. I look forward to being out dragged its what made me modify in the 1st palce and its what will make me go on, maybe with this car maybe not. Fact is scoobs aint that quick in wrx form this thread proves it.
You guys should really not get so wound up, and just say whatever. Lcr beats scoob.......so what. Tomorrow scoob beats Lcr...so what. But you should burst your bubble and look outside Scoobs get beaten everyday, there are not unbeatable.
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21 September 2005, 08:17 AM
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I must admit I do like the Leon Cupra R's....they look fantastic!!
But I also love my Black STI PPP with 305 gee gee's
I know I can't beat every car on the road and I don't try, I'm happy with my car and the size of my ****
If RR kicks my *** in his modded Ibiza then fair do's, my STI is still standard as out of the box, apart from the PPP so I'm sure a heavily modded car can whip my butt
This thread has made good reading though
P.s RR where abouts in Teeside are you from, I live in Liverpool but I'm a monkey hanger I managed to escape 6 years ago though
But I also love my Black STI PPP with 305 gee gee's
I know I can't beat every car on the road and I don't try, I'm happy with my car and the size of my ****
If RR kicks my *** in his modded Ibiza then fair do's, my STI is still standard as out of the box, apart from the PPP so I'm sure a heavily modded car can whip my butt
This thread has made good reading though
P.s RR where abouts in Teeside are you from, I live in Liverpool but I'm a monkey hanger
I managed to escape 6 years ago though
21 September 2005, 08:20 AM
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Who the hell comes on here and makes out that they ARE unbeatable? the wrx is 215 bhp ffs. the new age wrx's are in comparison to say..the cupra of the curpra R family. the slightly less able..the slightly tamer..and obviously NOT highest performance model in the range.after the amount of cars i have had i certainly know there are faster cars out there than a bone stock wrx 02 bugeye!!
it is still very very amusing that people in Seats or *add car make here* have to go out and try to prove they have bought a car that is capable by tuning the guts out of it just so they can say down the pub ''i beat a scooby tonight''. oh how the lads must cheer!!(before buying another round of alchopops)
it is still very very amusing that people in Seats or *add car make here* have to go out and try to prove they have bought a car that is capable by tuning the guts out of it just so they can say down the pub ''i beat a scooby tonight''. oh how the lads must cheer!!(before buying another round of alchopops)
21 September 2005, 08:28 AM
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I did myself go to buy a cupra R. but after numerous walks around the car ..much thinking..sleeping on the matter and then waking around it again..as much as i liked the recaros..the build of the car and the front end..the rear is to dumpy and 4 doors has never really appealed to me in a hatchback. always reminds me years ago of the guyin my street with the xr4i trying to make it look like an rs500 
and this isnt a knock at the owners..but i thought it wasnt that fast.perhaps it was the smoothness of the power.but there was no massive turbo surge and it was all very muted in comparison to the kick of a scoob. oh and the ovni yellow paint was dale winton. other than that..nice car.
and this isnt a knock at the owners..but i thought it wasnt that fast.perhaps it was the smoothness of the power.but there was no massive turbo surge and it was all very muted in comparison to the kick of a scoob. oh and the ovni yellow paint was dale winton. other than that..nice car.