logiclee

I can't believe how many people are two faced.

Look back through the carjacking, mugging, house breakin, armed robbery, drug dealing threads.

And then the same people on this thread think it's quite OK to give the same criminal people (and worse) £50 on a Saturday night for some drugs because it's a social thing and doesn't hurt anyone.

I would suggest it's actually you who have your heads in the sand.

Try working with some voluntary groups that help people who's lifes have been affected by drugs. You might actually learn something.

We wont get it but this country needs zero tolerance of ClassA drug taking.

Cheers
Lee

davegtt

lol.. but we're talking of a high class drug. something used by people with money. not heroin addiction etc.... Shes hardly gonna be breaking into a house to get her next fix is she leave these people to it and go for those on the council estates actually dealing the stuff IMO

dpb

Is it not the case though that coke is more a recreational drug allbeit class A - not defending the taking of it btw.

logiclee

So the Drug smugglers that make a fortune from Coke from rich people are not bothered about selling it to kids then? They will of course not fund any other criminal activity from their illegal profits.
And they wouldn't even dream of supplying heroine to the junkie who just might kill your parents/wife/kids for his/her next fix.

Do they have seperate drug smugglers and crime syndicates for rich and poor people then?

Hmmmmm, Still not convinced.

Lee

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

It sure is a good argument, and it one that I have thought about for a few years. The question is, where do you stop?

Sure, drugs are not good for you, if you take a lot of them they can really screw you up. If you get a bad batch, you are stuffed. Working with people like this must be horrid.

What about alochol? Abuse that and you are stuffed too. Does that mean it should be banned?

What about powerful motorbikes. They serve no purpose that a moped would not. Just hop over to the Isle of Man when the TT is on and see what a mess people make of themselves.

People have a right to make a choice, and not to have their lives decided by others. Its the governements repsonsibility (along with parents) to educate. If you choose to take the risk, then its your call.

What is clearly wrong is the taking drugs funds criminals. If alcohol was banned, I know I would buy it off people who smuggled it into the country. Its a radical step, but I'm on the side of making it legal and properly regulating the industry. No simple answer to the problem

davegtt

Lee, did you read my post or just the first sentance? If you read it I quite clearly said go get the idiots dealing on the estates. Theyre the ones who want locking up, least that way your getting alot of it off the street. What good is going to come of locking up Kate Moss exactly? nowt. leave her too it, shes cause niether you or I any damage has she?

logiclee

Luminous,

You have a very good point and it would solve the criminal element to a degree.

The problem as always is in the detail. Who would manufacture these addictive dangerous drugs, we couldn't buy from the criminals abroad, and how would this firm be kept away from law suits when people die from their products? The tabaco firms are protected to a degree as the product was on sale before it was known to increase risk of heart disease and cancer.

But the hardest problem is protecting the weaker elements of our society from falling into taking addictive dangerous drugs if they become legal?

Cheers
Lee

corradoboy

Legalise it all ! The government could by it at source and sell it way cheaper than the street dealers even with a massive %tax on top. It would be cheap, clean and easy to control if sold through registered pharmacies in all major towns/cities. Cross reference spending habits with tax records to identify those spending beyong their known income to weed out scummy criminals, and give advice with every purchase about safe quantities, what it can/can't be mixed with, effects and duration etc. Penalties for supplying minors would have to be very strong, and when you purchased you would be struck off access to the NHS for treatment of any ailment which may be related to usage. Employers and traffic police would be allowed to do random testing. Unlicensed dealing/trafficing could carry a mandatory 12 years.

As for Ms.Moss, I'd do her. According to one sunday paper she'll do anyone when she's up. How much is an 8th again

logiclee

You didn't read my post either.

Kate Moss is paying for a drug, the money she pays funds organised crime.
She is also taking an illegal substance.

This is a high profile case and the message needs sending out that this is not acceptable.

When organised crime gangs need funding for a major carjacking ring or major robbery the can't just go to Loans4U.com. 80% of serious crime is funded by drugs and the most money is currently made selling coke to the rich.

Cheers
Lee

davegtt

But its been obvious for years that the likes of Ms Moss is taking these substances, yet its taken a newspaper to highlight that fact to our Police? and the Police will investigate it.... ITS BULL. do you see Kate Moss getting locked up? I dont think so somehow, at most it'll be a slap on the wrist, get our police doing something a little more constructive like catching the dealers

I tell you, if we have as many police roaming the streets instead of in the traffic department you wouldnt see as much crime. Im willing to bet any possesion I own on it.

dpb

Sir Ians got to be seen to be doin someting,right..!! - its good for his image

CrisPDuk

She wasn't unlucky, she like Naomi Campbell, Jeffrey Archer and countless other publicity junkies before her, was ******* stupid!

Someone somewhere (Max Clifford maybe?) should tell these brain dead celebrity ***** that if you successfully sue a major news organisation for libel, you'd damned well better stop doing whatever it was they accused you of. Publishers & Editors of newspapers have bloody long memories, and sooner or later they're gonna catch you out, and then, like the big bunny in ******, you're "Proper Facked"

Leslie

STI Wanna and Davegtt,

You are both displaying the very kind of liberal attitude which encourages the use of drugs to spread out of control.

You have to consider the seriously vicious addictive effects of a class A drug and the terrible effects on an addict's life. Also the crime which ensues when the addicts have to feed their dreadful habit.

Yes of course alcohol is a drug too, but nowhere near as addictive if taken with a bit of common sense as most people do. I don't blame the cricket team at all for havinmg a real celebration after an enormous achievement which you have to admit to even if you don't have an interest in cricket. That point is not even part of the argument anyway. I would have joined them too if I had the chance, and I don't believe that bit of fun did any harm to anyone.

Class A drugs are a vastly different story and addiction which is the serious aftermath is virtually a foregone conclusion. It is as you say quite rightly illegal. Allowing celebrities to get away with it will definitely encourage others to get hooked.

Yes they should also go for the dealers-with no mercy!

Les

TruthHurts

Like the USA? Works well there doesn't it?

Or maybe we should follow the example of countries like Thailad which have a zero tolerance policy and no problem at all. Or maybe not.

The only policy that will work is providing what are relatively cheap substances at near to cost price legally. Then let people who want to take drugs get on with it. It is after all their body/mind to do with as they wish.


quote Les : "Class A drugs are a vastly different story and addiction which is the serious aftermath is virtually a foregone conclusion. It is as you say quite rightly illegal. Allowing celebrities to get away with it will definitely encourage others to get hooked."

That simply isn't true. Your comments about alcohol not being 'so addictive' are also laughable.

Gordo

For me it's very simple.

A celebrity has been exposed for breaking the law. The police must investigate - I'm paying them to do their job via my pillaged taxes, so do their job they should. I'd be annoyed if this law-breaking was ignored by the police as it would encourage the shallow creatures who follow celebs to
replicate the law breaking.

All discussions about the pros and cons are secondary - a serious law has been broken here and the police must act. Would it be ok if a celeb was seen drunk driving or having underage sex? Of course not - it's the same with taking a Class A drug.

Arguments as to whether Cocaine should be re-classified or treated differently under law are completely separate debates.

Gordo

Reality

But you're all missing the point.


Sir Ian announces a shoot to kill policy for terrorists and they shoot dead a pasty looking electrician and capture alive 3 terrorists.

Now he's getting tough on Druggies and want to be sure he's got the right person. So starting with someone who's admitted the crime should give him the results he craves.

Tough on crime - Tough on Criminals !


Rearrange these words to make a well know phrase or saying.

**** My

davegtt

LMAO.... am I now? where do I advocate drug taking? nowhere. My point is simple, if the newspaper didnt publish this tripe would you have known for sure shes a recreational drug user? no you wouldnt. In no way does her life effect ours or society. So leave her be and get on with your own life.

The people we should target for drugs is the dealers, SIMPLE.... now is that advocating drug use? no its not!!!! but the people who go to a life of crime are those in dont have a job (or at least lost it due to drug use) and skint. these are ordinary people in most cases. Yes they'll turn to crime if need be. dont you think these are the people we should be sorting out first before celebrities who can afford to fund their habit? no? The dealers on every council estate in the country (well almost) should be the ones who get brought down, get the drugs off the ordinary citizens and clear up the life in which effects the everyday person.

Please find a post of mine saying drugs use is OK... You wont find one....

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

You dont have a law that picks on the poor and lets the rich do what they want, its equal for all (or should be) so a high class case shows that even with money, your not above the law and you WILL be prosecuted for breaking it.

Tony

davegtt

Not saying theyre above the law, Im saying sort out the problems that effect the public before chasing publicity cases....

Cotton wool in peoples ears today?

Brendan Hughes

Maybe, but that shouldn't affect their reading ability...

davegtt

lol... DOH !!!!

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

No cotton wool
Class A drugs are illegal, end of, and having her child around those drugs isnt a good example to anyone of a good parent, this happens to thousands of people out there who have the social services knock on their door due to parent(s) spending cash on drugs.
Occasionally you need a high profile case to show people that something is being done, if she were a working class woman, she would suffer the same fate, though you would have thought she had some brains, but snorting coke where you can be pictured isnt one of the best things to do, plus its also funding crime.
Should she be left alone?
No.
Reason?
She is a roll model for young girls, not what you want to see your daughter following is it?

Tony

SJ_Skyline

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TruthHurts

What makes you believe that someone who takes 'Class A' drugs (that's a sh1te way of describing them BTW but as we've started) will eventually need hospital treatment? It's perfectly possible to be a maintained addict of say heroin without any ill effects assuming an unadulterated supply.
In any case the situation we have now is one requiring the NHS spending millions keeping people addicted to substitute drugs like methadone. Never mind treating people who've taken substances mixed with aggresive adulterants.
What you say doesn't make any sense Dave, furthermore I'm not a cocaine user, I find it boring and counterproductive.

davegtt

Right going back through the thread go take a look at them pictures, hardly conclusive evidence that its even her in the picture let alone what shes doing....

And a supermodel being the role model for young girls fine, but would any of these girls had known she was a coke user if it wasnt for the newspapers?

Your missing a big point here, why has it taken a newspaper to bring this to the polices attention? Like I say, start at the bottom and work there way up.

camk

A bit like speeding(sic) I suppose, only for loons.....you boys need to get away from the front of your playstations a bit more. Personally if these peopel want to do this stuff then please themselves, its not harming me personally. We allow them to smoke cigarettes and they appear to be worse for their and other peoples health.

davegtt

ohhh but no Cam, shes got a child and sending negative vibes to the youth of today