STi wanna Subaru

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You have to ask the question though why has he not gone after her boyfriend who is a known drug user? He's out to make a name for himself and nothing else.

I hate the media in this country and the power it wields. Too many idiots are lead by what they read in the red tops. Look at John Leslie as a case. They went after him and destroyed him. If they target somebody they will rip them to shreds. "Leslie in secret sex shame!!" then in the same paper they will have a story about how X celb got it on with Y celb and did it all night while videoing each other. It's a joke.

Flatcapdriver

Actually Dave, you've got it wrong. What the Police should be doing is starting at the top and working their way down instead of going for the easy cop (albeit with plenty of publicity for the saps who can't see the bigger picture) that is Kate Moss.

If people were so keen to see the demise of drug use, then surely they'd admit that a better use of Police resource would be to investigate and bring to justice the criminals who are importing the drugs in the first place. Obviously that's far harder than simply investigating Kate Moss where the evidence has more or less been handed to them on a plate but it would be far more effective.

The only difference between alcohol and drug abuse is that using alcohol is legal and thereby socially acceptable and if people were so worried about role models and their public behaviour then why wasn't Freddie Flintoff condemned for the way he behaved in public whilst holding his daughter? Clearly his wife wasn't too pleased judging by the way she grabbed the baby from him yet he hasn't had any criticism levelled at him which clearly he should if you are prepared to judge Kate Moss by her actions.

At least I can now understand how papers like the Mirror and Sun exist given some of the ridiculous points of view displayed here which obviously make up their readership.

logiclee

I don't have a playstation.

The situation with drugs isn't harming you, good. The organised crime gangs funded by drug sales are not harming you. The dealers selling the same drugs to kids are not haming you. The people who kill/mug/rob/carjack for a fix don't harm you.

I hope you are happy living in your bubble and pray it never bursts.

As for cigarettes I think most medical people would like to see them banned but it would be political suicide for a political party to suggest it, there are too many addicts who are voters.
You don't however get off your face on **** like you do on drugs or alchohol.
Unfotunatley the majority of our youngsters have shown they can't even drink responsibly so there is no way we should let them loose with legal drugs.

Cheers
Lee

Chris L

Very true. If you wanted to take one step further, you could argue that many professional bodies (ie police / customs) as well as industries such as alcohol and tobacco would probably lobby to keep drugs illegal, given the impact to their business that legalisation would have. An estimated 80%+ of all crime is drug related. What happens to your police force is suddenly 80% of crime disappears (OK, bit extreme, but you get the idea).

Drug trafficking is the worlds biggest industry, exact figures aren't easy to come by as they don't tend to file too many tax returns, but you have to concede that when demand is this great, then banning hasn't exactly been successful. Just as prohibition in the 20s brought about the rise of organised crime and the Mafia in the US, so the modern day problems have been created by our society replicating the same 'zero tolerance controls'.

Any product that carries an estimated 3000% markup from production to the street means that there will always be people willing to take the risk to smuggle drugs. To have an effective drugs policy, you have to remove the financial insentive and there is only one real way to do this, but unfortunately, it would be political suicide to suggest it, so we just go on perpetuating the same old tired policies

camk

Fighting the 'Drug Menace' is never going to be a war that can be won. Its like trying to enforce a law that no-one obeys. Eventually the policy will fall apart and even at this moment its being slowly diluted.

We have absolute historical reference of this situation in the US based with the prohibition of alcohol, the control of something people want will lead to illegal supply. These 'scary' illegal gangs make money on drugs, take away the illegality, provide a managed public supply and overnight the illegal gangs are out of business. Its already done in some European countries in this way.....although its kept quiet so as not to attract too much attention.


The prevelence of drugs in the community is everywhere, I see it when I'm out all the time. I'm not sure its me who is living in a bubble. Unless its a realistic one, another amazing thing is that these people taking and selling these demon drugs look to me like normal Joe's going about their own business. Part of the draw of drugs to people is that its illegal and its counter culture, take away the mystique and all of a sudden its not so glamorous.

logiclee

It wouldn't work like that, you would realise if you have worked with drug related problems.
Alchohol is legal and causes major problems especially amongst the youunger generation who don't seem to be able to consume it responsibly.
Do we really think that if coke and heroine were legally available and youngsters were told they could take it or leave it they would refuse it?
Even if only a third used it and got hooked what would that do to our society? How would the general public react when teenagers start OD'ing.

I'm not disputing the fact that the crime element would be reduced but no modern society would surely expose it's younger generation to legal, highly addictive, dangerous, classA drugs.

But we are again going off thread...

Kate broke the law, she's admitted it in a statement so the pictures are now irrelevant. The Police have a duty to investigate the crime, even if it's to try and find out where the drugs were purchased from.

Cheers
Lee

STi wanna Subaru

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We let people smoke.

Patt@firstime

She'd snap with the weight of implants though

logiclee

Doesn't make it right though.

Would we allow it to be sold knowing the risks and how addictive it is if it was new to the market today?

Just proves that even with all the knowledge, information and publicity if kids can get it they will use it and get hooked. Especially if the girls think it will keep them slim and the boys think it looks cool.

Chees
Lee

trails

iTrader: (41)

lots of people posting on here about this subject obviously have no idea (not just you leslie but its such a good example ), what they are talking about and are just regurgitating 'facts' they have read\heard about from mainstream media. Different drugs cause different types of behaviour in their respective users; as previously stated here coke is mostly a recreational drug used at weekends and evenings. Does that description ring any bells? I'll say it again; drugs are rife in this country and the drug culture that supports them is only increasing in size. There is NO WAY to stop traffic of narcotics and as the world shrinks it will become increasingly difficult to do.

Kate Moss has been picked on because she sued them, they had a score to settle with her and it sells newspapers. Its all about the money, so please climb down form your ill informed high horses and take a look around the real world as it is in 2005.

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

Well if we had the countries health at heart we would ban it wouldn't we? at least as it stands with smoking it is all under our control. Same with Alcohol. sure there are problems but there are with anything like that.

OllyK

I'm not sure you could just overnight ban smoking. The political backlash and financial black hole would be hard to ride out.

Best way, IMO, is to require ID (I know, I know - but that's another story) to purchase **** and increase the legal age to purchase by 1 year, every year. Anybody who is smoking can carry on till they die, but you can never get any new legal smokers coming on.

Brendan Hughes

Olly, changing the law on age limits probably wouldn't do much, you'd still have the rebel cachet of "look, I'm doing something naughty". If they spent half the revenue they received on advertising, like "this is what your lungs look like" and "do you realise you stink", that would be a far more effective method. Drink-driving was considered quite acceptable 25 years ago, now you're a social pariah to admit to it.

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

It wasn't a serious proposition. I was just making the point that the publics health is not the governments number 1 priority by any means. just as the enviroment is not with regards the petrol pricing etc.

OllyK

True - but you'll still have the rebels who say "I don't care about the risks I'm going to do it anyway". Drink Driving is illegal and the chances of getting caught increased as it became a significant issue. If you banned smoking you'll pi$$ a lot of people off and run the Police ragged trying to enforce it. If it isn't illegal then advertising isn't going to make it socially unnaceptable in quite the same way as D&D IMO.

OllyK

Oh I agree that the government care little for the people that voted them in as long as they keep paying out to line the coffers. However, if you did get a government in that did care - would they be able to stop people from smoking and stay in power if it was a democracy? I don't know.

camk

actually even being caught in Possession or Cocaine in a few gm quantities that can be argued as for personal use usually only gets a police warning on first offence. its pretty obvious Logiclee you have absolutely no idea about the subject and your insinuation that you work with drug offenders is also pish as you cannot even spell Heroin or Alcohol.
I went to College with many guys who took everything from Horse to Glue and none of them ended up dead or addicted, so stop talking crap. I have on the other hand lost 3 friends to road accidents, 1 to a drunken drowning and 1 to a violent assault. I know where statistically the most deaths occur in young men under the age of 25 and its not drugs related.

trails

iTrader: (41)

nice one Cam, someone else who lives in the real world in 2005.

davegtt

lol.. we all live int he real world, just some people dont realise it and section themselves away for the reality of society and stick their heads in the sand.... Then when a high profile person using a recreational drug comes along and gets caught out theyre gonna go round breaking into house's for their next "fix" and causing a problem to the rest of todays youth....

There are far more problems in todays society than Kate Moss taking time out and going off on 1.

Spoon

In my day, swings and slides were recreational.

logiclee

My world involves giving a bit back after my local hospital saved my life.

I started out as a volunteer assisting people to recover from heart related issues but as I’m also involved with a community policing scheme I was asked if I could assist in a fortnightly self help group for those affected by drug abuse.

Some of the stories are truly awful, no matter what the income level drug users are usually either weak willed, weak minded or people who can’t deal with the issues in their lives in my experience.

The first step for people who take drugs is to admit they have a problem and address the reasons for them taking the drugs, only after that can they start to beat the addiction.
I only use drugs for recreation is the most common excuse.

If you don’t need drugs and are not addicted then why take them when you know the harm they do to your body?

Kate has admitted she has a problem and will deal with her personal issues.

The Mirror may have saved her live.

As for Doherty, he said on the radio that he can’t see what all the fuss is about.

Well I think that’s what he said because his brains that fried I couldn’t understand a word he was saying.

Cheers
Lee

Flatcapdriver

Very heart warming but why are you working with criminals when you believe they should be slung in jail?

logiclee

I did say the group was for those affected by drug abuse. As this is a group run by the cardiac and renal unit it's mainly for families who's loved ones have gone past the cure the addiction and you will be OK stage.
I'm sure most members would have loved for their relatives to have been locked up and assisted before they got to the organ failure stage.

Next time I'm there I'll ask everone's opinion on legalising drugs, I think I know what their answer will be.

Cheers
Lee

logiclee

Here's another rich "Recreational" user.



Does no harm though does it?

Lee

Flatcapdriver

It's not a question of whether it does harm or not, it's a question of the Police directing their resources to reduce the problem and investigating Kate Moss followed by a prosecution will achieve nothing other than giving you some satisfaction.

If they were to direct that resource at the root cause of the problem i.e drug trafficers then I would have no issue with it as it would help to solve things but this is just a waste of time which is something you have difficulty understanding.

Freak

yes- but she was f*cking ugly to begin with

logiclee

The Police are sending out a strong message that drug taking is illegal and not acceptable.

The message will reach the young girls who view Kate as a roll model.

I would say it's time and money well spent.

Cheers
Lee

logiclee

Her best friend said that before me.

True.

trails

iTrader: (41)

That’s admirable but you seem to be missing the two key issues here; firstly ian blair singling out Kate Moss after a tabloid expose smacks of nothing more than a publicity stunt. Especially when you consider the negative publicity caused by his officers shooting of an innocent man. The second is that the majority, make that vast majority of recreational drug users remain just that until they stop. No drama. Like everything in life however there are always some people who go to far and pay the price for that indulgence. This is not a phenomenon unique to illegal narcotics.

logiclee

I don't disagree with most of what you said but doing nothing would have sent out the wrong message.

Whatever his motives for making his decision I still think he has made the right decision.
I don't know who he was talking about but his force recently gave a high profile user a caution. He has admitted that sent out the wrong signal and the feedback the force got from community leaders was negative.

I can't stand the chap myself.

Cheers
Lee