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23 September 2005, 02:33 PM
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As for the "cunstables" with special powers, once again the only losers in that situation will be normal folk who happen to make a mistake, such as briefly speeding - they can then have their license removed with immdeiate effect. Devastating for normal folk, but how will that stop the scum that drive uninsured and whilst disqualified???
23 September 2005, 02:36 PM
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They would have been able to issue Kate Moss an ASBO. 
ooops, getting the two threads mixed up.
I would be OK with the police being given more powers to tackle anti-social behaviour. Some town centres are becoming no-go area's at night and the amount of damage and graffiti that can be seen around the UK is not acceptable.
The Police are fighting a loosing battle and the courts fail to back them up.
If the Police are not going to be given the powers then the courts need a good shake up.
Lee
ooops, getting the two threads mixed up.
I would be OK with the police being given more powers to tackle anti-social behaviour. Some town centres are becoming no-go area's at night and the amount of damage and graffiti that can be seen around the UK is not acceptable.
The Police are fighting a loosing battle and the courts fail to back them up.
If the Police are not going to be given the powers then the courts need a good shake up.
Lee
23 September 2005, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by logiclee
the courts need a good shake up.
Lee
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23 September 2005, 03:29 PM
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car drivers, the easy targets!
I think the time may have to come when car drivers band together and refuse point blank to display number plates, at least on the front of their vehicles.
Why should motorcyclists not be able to be caught by forward facing cameras while car drivers ARE? Especially when you take into account the percentage of each in the total vehicles on the road, compared to the percentage of deaths in each group.
In my local town, the council has decided to get "tough" on people dropping litter. Guess what? so far TWO pedestrians have been fined for dropping litter, and FIVE car drivers!
OK, so people SHOULDN'T drop litter, but once again, let's go for the easy target, the idiot who goes around all day long with an easy method of identification stuck on his front and rear!
Civil disobedience, anyone?
Alcazar
Why should motorcyclists not be able to be caught by forward facing cameras while car drivers ARE? Especially when you take into account the percentage of each in the total vehicles on the road, compared to the percentage of deaths in each group.
In my local town, the council has decided to get "tough" on people dropping litter. Guess what? so far TWO pedestrians have been fined for dropping litter, and FIVE car drivers!
OK, so people SHOULDN'T drop litter, but once again, let's go for the easy target, the idiot who goes around all day long with an easy method of identification stuck on his front and rear!
Civil disobedience, anyone?
Alcazar
23 September 2005, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
This is an example of blowing things out of proportion.The policeman might seize your car but he'd still have to justify it to his superiors. They wouldn't crush anything unless it were obviously unroadworthy and was never realistically gonna be so.
If it were found that the car was, in fact, legal then they would a) have to return it, b) give an apology, c) hopefully recompensate you and d) that policeman would be reprimanded and wouldn't last long in the force if he decided to wage a war against 'scooby drivers'.
I agree that many daft things have been banned (esp the public performances by musicians etc.) and we need to do what we can to make the powers that be listen up (i.e. it's your vote they want so vote someone else). How many people here have written to their MP? I bet hardly any yet you all continue to rant on here rather than actually do something to back up what you say you believe in.
Mark my words, we have just witnessed the last truly free General Election this population's gonna have for a while
23 September 2005, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
This is an example of blowing things out of proportion.************************************************** *******
The policeman might seize your car but he'd still have to justify it to his superiors. They wouldn't crush anything unless it were obviously unroadworthy and was never realistically gonna be so.
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take the rose tinted reality specs off ...
you fail to see the bigger picture...
no superior officer is going to publicy admit an officer was wrong in carrying out policy (whether in fact it was right or wrong), thats the whole basis of team work and control. if they did that, there would be dissent in the ranks, and people would begin to question policy, have you not noticed that the normal avenues of concern and check are being slowly moved and closed down..
Was it not the whole argument of the "on trial" persons at nurenberg, that they were only following orders,,
you seem to forget, that the little austrians (as you have so kindly pointed out) plan was to segregate certain members of society and remove them from other areas, unfortunatly it didnt work so other methods were employed.
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If it were found that the car was, in fact, legal then they would a) have to return it, b) give an apology, c) hopefully recompensate you and d) that policeman would be reprimanded and wouldn't last long in the force if he decided to wage a war against 'scooby drivers'.
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not if its crushed, then it becomes after the fact , and it frees them from any responsibility.
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I agree that many daft things have been banned (esp the public performances by musicians etc.) and we need to do what we can to make the powers that be listen up (i.e. it's your vote they want so vote someone else). How many people here have written to their MP? I bet hardly any yet you all continue to rant on here rather than actually do something to back up what you say you believe in.
the point i was making was we are starting to be segragated now, certain members of society walk with "percieved" immunity, whilst others are targeted for minor offences, . how long before the targeted members are moved to other areas to aid in rehabilitation.
the really concerning part of it is, the people whoe are ultimatly responsible, will without doubt, walk away, and blame there failings on someone else.
has billy not publicly admitted that there is nothing more he can do!!
there appears to be no end plan as to where we are heading,
integration, the very word scares me, As long aqs you have differing policys and people vieing for power, you will never achieve what you want. too many have there own ideas and ideals with little understanding for what the whole entity will achieve...
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23 September 2005, 09:03 PM
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This would all not be needed if the legal system actually punished 'true' criminals to the full extent of the law instead of a wrap on the knuckles and a 'don't do it again dear boy' attitude.................
23 September 2005, 11:58 PM
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It is nothing short of amazing to me that there are people who are so brainwashed or dyed in the wool that they are unable to see what is happening and the plans being sneakily put into effect to achieve eventual complete control over the electorate. By that time there will no longer be any kind of effective vote left, maybe just some kind of sham performance which is of no significance any more.
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24 September 2005, 04:55 PM
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I saw a really good quote recently, and I've no idea who said it, which went along the lines of:
Under NL the future is certain; it is the past that keeps changing.
Now I am not anti-NL but I am anti the various police state and control systems that we are seeing put in place to control the generally law abiding citizen. It is frightening to consider that a quote such as that, which would not have seemed out of place in a history book about the more extreme leaders some are discussing on this thread, seems a perfectly reasonable reflection upon the state of the UK at the minute. Government spin changes the past to try and put their actions into a reasonable light while all the time they have detailed, and openly discussed, plans about how they are going to control our movements and behaviour to achieve the future state they require. I think Stalin, as one example, was especially fond of changing history to make it fit with the future he had in mind.
The question of do you leave or do you stay and fight is also an interesting one. Solzhenitsyn, a Russian writer who was viewed in an unfavourable light by Stalinism because his account of the past and present did not fit with that provided by the state, eventually left the USSR. He continued to write works critical of the Communist regime and believed that he was doing his bit for the fight. However, when he returned to Russia in more recent times he found that the people did not queue up to welcome him back because, in their view, he ran away while they stayed and fought.
Under NL the future is certain; it is the past that keeps changing.
Now I am not anti-NL but I am anti the various police state and control systems that we are seeing put in place to control the generally law abiding citizen. It is frightening to consider that a quote such as that, which would not have seemed out of place in a history book about the more extreme leaders some are discussing on this thread, seems a perfectly reasonable reflection upon the state of the UK at the minute. Government spin changes the past to try and put their actions into a reasonable light while all the time they have detailed, and openly discussed, plans about how they are going to control our movements and behaviour to achieve the future state they require. I think Stalin, as one example, was especially fond of changing history to make it fit with the future he had in mind.
The question of do you leave or do you stay and fight is also an interesting one. Solzhenitsyn, a Russian writer who was viewed in an unfavourable light by Stalinism because his account of the past and present did not fit with that provided by the state, eventually left the USSR. He continued to write works critical of the Communist regime and believed that he was doing his bit for the fight. However, when he returned to Russia in more recent times he found that the people did not queue up to welcome him back because, in their view, he ran away while they stayed and fought.
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