New Labour's answer to dissent
29 September 2005, 06:58 PM
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Labour gave the old chap VIP treatment today with apologies from Mr Blair, John Reed and a string of other MP's
The chap that tried to help him and was also thrown out was welcomed back with open arms too.
Seems like some people do actually listen to public opinion.
Cheers
Lee
The chap that tried to help him and was also thrown out was welcomed back with open arms too.
Seems like some people do actually listen to public opinion.
Cheers
Lee
29 September 2005, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by logiclee
Labour gave the old chap VIP treatment today with apologies from Mr Blair, John Reed and a string of other MP's
The chap that tried to help him and was also thrown out was welcomed back with open arms too.
Seems like some people do actually listen to public opinion.
Cheers
Lee
The chap that tried to help him and was also thrown out was welcomed back with open arms too.
Seems like some people do actually listen to public opinion.
Cheers
Lee
What else would you have expected? This was an attempt to mitigate the effects of yesterday's PR disaster.
Too late, for a time the mask slipped.
29 September 2005, 07:53 PM
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And the Police Officer who thought it was appropriate to use Anti Terror laws to detain an 82 year old with an opinon on Government Policy is he appologising?
As said above yet again the Spin Doctors are at work minimising the damage to NL image but how we can ever give the Police more power or support ID cards after this hint of what is to come.
Also why werent the Stewards arrested for assault? if you did that to a person else where on camera the Police would certainly be having words with you. Did you see the size of one of the Stewards??? Looked like a Pro Bouncer. Dont door men have to be licenced? or can you skip that if you are a "Steward"?
Still next time you want to comment on Government Policy handcuff you self to the seat first
And i hope we now see this rapid removal approach used to evict Travellers camped on private land and failed assylum seekers?
Oh no they have "Human Rights Lawyers" queueing round the block to represent them all on Legal Aid of course whilst we the Public are treated as an underclass if we want to protest about any thing from Fuel prices to speed camera's! How many Lawyers from Liberty were they making sure we could protest about fuel prices with out being unfairly restricted by the Police?
As said above yet again the Spin Doctors are at work minimising the damage to NL image but how we can ever give the Police more power or support ID cards after this hint of what is to come.
Also why werent the Stewards arrested for assault? if you did that to a person else where on camera the Police would certainly be having words with you. Did you see the size of one of the Stewards??? Looked like a Pro Bouncer. Dont door men have to be licenced? or can you skip that if you are a "Steward"?
Still next time you want to comment on Government Policy handcuff you self to the seat first
And i hope we now see this rapid removal approach used to evict Travellers camped on private land and failed assylum seekers?
Oh no they have "Human Rights Lawyers" queueing round the block to represent them all on Legal Aid of course whilst we the Public are treated as an underclass if we want to protest about any thing from Fuel prices to speed camera's! How many Lawyers from Liberty were they making sure we could protest about fuel prices with out being unfairly restricted by the Police?
29 September 2005, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by the moose
The guy was 82 ..... and? Age is irrelevant in this case, he was heckling, and whilst that's all fine at the hustings, it's not acceptable at a party conference.
I win.
29 September 2005, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by logiclee
Labour gave the old chap VIP treatment today with apologies from Mr Blair, John Reed and a string of other MP's
The chap that tried to help him and was also thrown out was welcomed back with open arms too.
Seems like some people do actually listen to public opinion.
Cheers
Lee
The chap that tried to help him and was also thrown out was welcomed back with open arms too.
Seems like some people do actually listen to public opinion.
Cheers
Lee
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29 September 2005, 08:37 PM
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Tory leadership campaigner David Cameron described the incident as "one of those moments which lays bare the full absurdity of the Orwellian New Labour project".
He said the use of the Terrorism Act in preventing Mr Wolfgang's return was "profoundly depressing".
He said the use of the Terrorism Act in preventing Mr Wolfgang's return was "profoundly depressing".
Of course the more intelligent people on here have been saying this for some time. At last we are starting to see full implications of the New Labour 'Third Term'.
Step out of line for any reason and they will use their newly created powers to detain you for up to 3 months without charge.
29 September 2005, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
I know who I support.
Of course the more intelligent people on here have been saying this for some time. At last we are starting to see full implications of the New Labour 'Third Term'.
Step out of line for any reason and they will use their newly created powers to detain you for up to 3 months without charge.
Of course the more intelligent people on here have been saying this for some time. At last we are starting to see full implications of the New Labour 'Third Term'.
Step out of line for any reason and they will use their newly created powers to detain you for up to 3 months without charge.
billy is is a commodity nothing else,, put up the shilling and he performs.. the really annoying thing at the end of the day, is he will walk away from the 'mess' he leaves us in and blame anything/ one but himself...
hang on,,, we allready have members of our diverse community doing that allready witrh impunity so whats new
the guy couldnt even appologise with dignity, he had to put spin on it....
just cos he wasnt there it wasnt his fault... hmmm how many other people have used that line... nurenburg anyone??
M
29 September 2005, 09:06 PM
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"Jack Boot New Labour" They obviously expected dissent at the conference and were prepared for it with plenty brick sh1thouse bouncers who were obviously under instruction to quell any "inappropriate behaviour"
To say the bouncers need retraining.........
To say the bouncers need retraining.........
29 September 2005, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisB
See the action for yourself:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291388.stm#
Video link on the right column.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291388.stm#
Video link on the right column.
The only person that should have been thrown out was the cowardly steward who tried to grab the old man!
And as for the police using anti terrorism laws?!!
Some old guy whispers in a party meeting, and is thrown out and arrested, but gupta muslim singh can stand in finsbury park and call for the muslims to kill 'hedonists'(anybody not muslim) with a police guard in case said hedonists get angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a shower of s**t this place is turning into!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
30 September 2005, 11:34 AM
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Doesn't help to see that creepy Patricia Hewitt on Question Time telling us that Labour welcomes a lively debate from the Party members at Conference. Pull the other one!
She is the one who follows the standard tevision appearance training by attempting to smile while she is talking to show what a nice person she is really is and only manages to make herself look insincere as well as sounding that way.
Not to forget all the "look" and "you know" etc. that she also uses of course!
Les
She is the one who follows the standard tevision appearance training by attempting to smile while she is talking to show what a nice person she is really is and only manages to make herself look insincere as well as sounding that way.
Not to forget all the "look" and "you know" etc. that she also uses of course!
Les
30 September 2005, 11:37 AM
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Yep, she's a "Tone clone", I loathe her.
My all-time unfavourite HAS to be Ruth Kelly............I'm certain it's a bloke dressed up, I don't care what anyone says
How a posh **** that I don't think had ever SEEN the inside of any LEA schools before she became minister, could be appointed Minister of Education, I don't know. Just shows the contempt that "TBLiar" has for the general public.
Alcazar
My all-time unfavourite HAS to be Ruth Kelly............I'm certain it's a bloke dressed up, I don't care what anyone says
How a posh **** that I don't think had ever SEEN the inside of any LEA schools before she became minister, could be appointed Minister of Education, I don't know. Just shows the contempt that "TBLiar" has for the general public.
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30 September 2005, 11:00 PM
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Letters in the Telegraph on the subject
Mr Wolfgang's treatment sums up the Government
Sir - The removal of the 82-year-old Walter Wolfgang ( News, September 29), who had the temerity to heckle Jack Straw at the Labour Party conference, should send out a terrible warning to the rest of us.
This one event brings graphically home the lip service this Labour Government pays to freedom of speech and civil liberties. Can anyone now doubt that democracy is in danger unless we wake up and take notice?
Andrew Beevers, West Mersea, Essex
Sir - On what possible grounds can the chief constable of Sussex justify Mr Wolfgang's being stopped by a policeman using powers under the Terrorism Act?
The police have become so politicised that they use anti-terrorism legislation to the benefit of a political party in dispute with a party member.
Bruce Dalton, London W5
Sir - Walter Wolfgang and Steve Forrest should count themselves lucky they were merely thrown out of the Labour Party conference. They could have been shot.
Harry Taylor, Hornsea, E. Yorks
Sir - The most sinister aspect of Mr Wolfgang's treatment was the policeman's use of anti-terrorist laws to refuse him re-entry. Can anyone who believes in free speech and freedom of movement support the identity card scheme after that small demonstration?
We have an under-educated police force with more than its fair share of bullies. It is predictable that most actions for non-use of the identity card will be against ordinary members of the public.
David Tallon, St Albans, Herts
Sir - Mr Wolfgang may have suffered such treatment in Germany in the 1930s with no redress, but let us hope that he will have the redress of law now.
The Labour Party under Blair has turned into an institutionalised bully, and the country into a police state. I am glad I do not live in the UK.
G. M. Oldroyd, St Martins, Guernsey
Sir - Perhaps Labour had Mr Wolfgang in mind when, in its party political broadcast on Wednesday, it repeatedly used the strapline: "If you don't use your voice, no one will hear you."
Roy Fines, Lincoln
Sir - Churchill's claim, in his election broadcast speech in 1945, that socialism would bring Gestapo-like enforcement caused great offence at the time.
Not many politicians have been able to see 60 years ahead.
Jonathan Goodall, Bath, Somerset
Sir - The unacceptable face of Tonyism was displayed by the arrogant and rude security officer who manhandled an old man out of the hall and strutted like a Gestapo thug with total unconcern for his behaviour. That picture will stay with me for some time, for it sums up this arrogant Government.
The country has to wake up now before we lose our freedoms. Giving democracy to Iraq? We haven't got it here.
Cyril Thomas, Ystrad Mynach, Caerphilly
Sir - The heavy-handed ejection from the New Labour conference of a mild-mannered octogenarian was only to be expected. The shocking thing is that, for a speech by the Foreign Secretary on Iraq, the hall was almost empty.
Jim Hawkins, Wrestlingworth, Beds
Sir - Labour is promoting respect? I don't think so.
Marion Macdonald, Wendens Ambo, Essex
Sir - The least the Labour Party should do after the televising of their security forces ejecting undesirables is to ensure decent uniforms are worn. May I suggest brown shirts?
John Wilkinson, Lloret de Mar, Spain
Sir - Heavies suppressing the public to protect the leaders. Has nobody in New Labour read Animal Farm?
Phil Green, London EC1
Sir - This Government's Bill on religious discrimination will be similarly misused if passed, as experience in Australia (and indeed in Pakistan) has already demonstrated.
Let the Lords show on October 11 that they are wiser than the Government by rejecting this Bill, and let the aspiring Tory leader pledge to repeal such legislation if it gets through.
B. W. Cooper, Bradley, Wrexham
Sir - The removal of the 82-year-old Walter Wolfgang ( News, September 29), who had the temerity to heckle Jack Straw at the Labour Party conference, should send out a terrible warning to the rest of us.
This one event brings graphically home the lip service this Labour Government pays to freedom of speech and civil liberties. Can anyone now doubt that democracy is in danger unless we wake up and take notice?
Andrew Beevers, West Mersea, Essex
Sir - On what possible grounds can the chief constable of Sussex justify Mr Wolfgang's being stopped by a policeman using powers under the Terrorism Act?
The police have become so politicised that they use anti-terrorism legislation to the benefit of a political party in dispute with a party member.
Bruce Dalton, London W5
Sir - Walter Wolfgang and Steve Forrest should count themselves lucky they were merely thrown out of the Labour Party conference. They could have been shot.
Harry Taylor, Hornsea, E. Yorks
Sir - The most sinister aspect of Mr Wolfgang's treatment was the policeman's use of anti-terrorist laws to refuse him re-entry. Can anyone who believes in free speech and freedom of movement support the identity card scheme after that small demonstration?
We have an under-educated police force with more than its fair share of bullies. It is predictable that most actions for non-use of the identity card will be against ordinary members of the public.
David Tallon, St Albans, Herts
Sir - Mr Wolfgang may have suffered such treatment in Germany in the 1930s with no redress, but let us hope that he will have the redress of law now.
The Labour Party under Blair has turned into an institutionalised bully, and the country into a police state. I am glad I do not live in the UK.
G. M. Oldroyd, St Martins, Guernsey
Sir - Perhaps Labour had Mr Wolfgang in mind when, in its party political broadcast on Wednesday, it repeatedly used the strapline: "If you don't use your voice, no one will hear you."
Roy Fines, Lincoln
Sir - Churchill's claim, in his election broadcast speech in 1945, that socialism would bring Gestapo-like enforcement caused great offence at the time.
Not many politicians have been able to see 60 years ahead.
Jonathan Goodall, Bath, Somerset
Sir - The unacceptable face of Tonyism was displayed by the arrogant and rude security officer who manhandled an old man out of the hall and strutted like a Gestapo thug with total unconcern for his behaviour. That picture will stay with me for some time, for it sums up this arrogant Government.
The country has to wake up now before we lose our freedoms. Giving democracy to Iraq? We haven't got it here.
Cyril Thomas, Ystrad Mynach, Caerphilly
Sir - The heavy-handed ejection from the New Labour conference of a mild-mannered octogenarian was only to be expected. The shocking thing is that, for a speech by the Foreign Secretary on Iraq, the hall was almost empty.
Jim Hawkins, Wrestlingworth, Beds
Sir - Labour is promoting respect? I don't think so.
Marion Macdonald, Wendens Ambo, Essex
Sir - The least the Labour Party should do after the televising of their security forces ejecting undesirables is to ensure decent uniforms are worn. May I suggest brown shirts?
John Wilkinson, Lloret de Mar, Spain
Sir - Heavies suppressing the public to protect the leaders. Has nobody in New Labour read Animal Farm?
Phil Green, London EC1
Sir - This Government's Bill on religious discrimination will be similarly misused if passed, as experience in Australia (and indeed in Pakistan) has already demonstrated.
Let the Lords show on October 11 that they are wiser than the Government by rejecting this Bill, and let the aspiring Tory leader pledge to repeal such legislation if it gets through.
B. W. Cooper, Bradley, Wrexham
30 September 2005, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by hedgehog
Mr Wolfgang's treatment sums up the Government
Sir - The removal of the 82-year-old Walter Wolfgang ( News, September 29), who had the temerity to heckle Jack Straw at the Labour Party conference, should send out a terrible warning to the rest of us.
This one event brings graphically home the lip service this Labour Government pays to freedom of speech and civil liberties. Can anyone now doubt that democracy is in danger unless we wake up and take notice?
Andrew Beevers, West Mersea, Essex
Sir - On what possible grounds can the chief constable of Sussex justify Mr Wolfgang's being stopped by a policeman using powers under the Terrorism Act?
The police have become so politicised that they use anti-terrorism legislation to the benefit of a political party in dispute with a party member.
Bruce Dalton, London W5
Sir - Walter Wolfgang and Steve Forrest should count themselves lucky they were merely thrown out of the Labour Party conference. They could have been shot.
Harry Taylor, Hornsea, E. Yorks
Sir - The most sinister aspect of Mr Wolfgang's treatment was the policeman's use of anti-terrorist laws to refuse him re-entry. Can anyone who believes in free speech and freedom of movement support the identity card scheme after that small demonstration?
We have an under-educated police force with more than its fair share of bullies. It is predictable that most actions for non-use of the identity card will be against ordinary members of the public.
David Tallon, St Albans, Herts
Sir - Mr Wolfgang may have suffered such treatment in Germany in the 1930s with no redress, but let us hope that he will have the redress of law now.
The Labour Party under Blair has turned into an institutionalised bully, and the country into a police state. I am glad I do not live in the UK.
G. M. Oldroyd, St Martins, Guernsey
Sir - Perhaps Labour had Mr Wolfgang in mind when, in its party political broadcast on Wednesday, it repeatedly used the strapline: "If you don't use your voice, no one will hear you."
Roy Fines, Lincoln
Sir - Churchill's claim, in his election broadcast speech in 1945, that socialism would bring Gestapo-like enforcement caused great offence at the time.
Not many politicians have been able to see 60 years ahead.
Jonathan Goodall, Bath, Somerset
Sir - The unacceptable face of Tonyism was displayed by the arrogant and rude security officer who manhandled an old man out of the hall and strutted like a Gestapo thug with total unconcern for his behaviour. That picture will stay with me for some time, for it sums up this arrogant Government.
The country has to wake up now before we lose our freedoms. Giving democracy to Iraq? We haven't got it here.
Cyril Thomas, Ystrad Mynach, Caerphilly
Sir - The heavy-handed ejection from the New Labour conference of a mild-mannered octogenarian was only to be expected. The shocking thing is that, for a speech by the Foreign Secretary on Iraq, the hall was almost empty.
Jim Hawkins, Wrestlingworth, Beds
Sir - Labour is promoting respect? I don't think so.
Marion Macdonald, Wendens Ambo, Essex
Sir - The least the Labour Party should do after the televising of their security forces ejecting undesirables is to ensure decent uniforms are worn. May I suggest brown shirts?
John Wilkinson, Lloret de Mar, Spain
Sir - Heavies suppressing the public to protect the leaders. Has nobody in New Labour read Animal Farm?
Phil Green, London EC1
Sir - This Government's Bill on religious discrimination will be similarly misused if passed, as experience in Australia (and indeed in Pakistan) has already demonstrated.
Let the Lords show on October 11 that they are wiser than the Government by rejecting this Bill, and let the aspiring Tory leader pledge to repeal such legislation if it gets through.
B. W. Cooper, Bradley, Wrexham
Sir - The removal of the 82-year-old Walter Wolfgang ( News, September 29), who had the temerity to heckle Jack Straw at the Labour Party conference, should send out a terrible warning to the rest of us.
This one event brings graphically home the lip service this Labour Government pays to freedom of speech and civil liberties. Can anyone now doubt that democracy is in danger unless we wake up and take notice?
Andrew Beevers, West Mersea, Essex
Sir - On what possible grounds can the chief constable of Sussex justify Mr Wolfgang's being stopped by a policeman using powers under the Terrorism Act?
The police have become so politicised that they use anti-terrorism legislation to the benefit of a political party in dispute with a party member.
Bruce Dalton, London W5
Sir - Walter Wolfgang and Steve Forrest should count themselves lucky they were merely thrown out of the Labour Party conference. They could have been shot.
Harry Taylor, Hornsea, E. Yorks
Sir - The most sinister aspect of Mr Wolfgang's treatment was the policeman's use of anti-terrorist laws to refuse him re-entry. Can anyone who believes in free speech and freedom of movement support the identity card scheme after that small demonstration?
We have an under-educated police force with more than its fair share of bullies. It is predictable that most actions for non-use of the identity card will be against ordinary members of the public.
David Tallon, St Albans, Herts
Sir - Mr Wolfgang may have suffered such treatment in Germany in the 1930s with no redress, but let us hope that he will have the redress of law now.
The Labour Party under Blair has turned into an institutionalised bully, and the country into a police state. I am glad I do not live in the UK.
G. M. Oldroyd, St Martins, Guernsey
Sir - Perhaps Labour had Mr Wolfgang in mind when, in its party political broadcast on Wednesday, it repeatedly used the strapline: "If you don't use your voice, no one will hear you."
Roy Fines, Lincoln
Sir - Churchill's claim, in his election broadcast speech in 1945, that socialism would bring Gestapo-like enforcement caused great offence at the time.
Not many politicians have been able to see 60 years ahead.
Jonathan Goodall, Bath, Somerset
Sir - The unacceptable face of Tonyism was displayed by the arrogant and rude security officer who manhandled an old man out of the hall and strutted like a Gestapo thug with total unconcern for his behaviour. That picture will stay with me for some time, for it sums up this arrogant Government.
The country has to wake up now before we lose our freedoms. Giving democracy to Iraq? We haven't got it here.
Cyril Thomas, Ystrad Mynach, Caerphilly
Sir - The heavy-handed ejection from the New Labour conference of a mild-mannered octogenarian was only to be expected. The shocking thing is that, for a speech by the Foreign Secretary on Iraq, the hall was almost empty.
Jim Hawkins, Wrestlingworth, Beds
Sir - Labour is promoting respect? I don't think so.
Marion Macdonald, Wendens Ambo, Essex
Sir - The least the Labour Party should do after the televising of their security forces ejecting undesirables is to ensure decent uniforms are worn. May I suggest brown shirts?
John Wilkinson, Lloret de Mar, Spain
Sir - Heavies suppressing the public to protect the leaders. Has nobody in New Labour read Animal Farm?
Phil Green, London EC1
Sir - This Government's Bill on religious discrimination will be similarly misused if passed, as experience in Australia (and indeed in Pakistan) has already demonstrated.
Let the Lords show on October 11 that they are wiser than the Government by rejecting this Bill, and let the aspiring Tory leader pledge to repeal such legislation if it gets through.
B. W. Cooper, Bradley, Wrexham
01 October 2005, 12:36 AM
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Thanks for taking the time to share the letters with us Hedgehog. Many good points made among them but most pertinent, for me, are those warnings of an impending Police state.
I, like many others, have been warning of this for the last half decade. So sinister were the actions of the stewards, but more so the perverse (yet predictable) use of anti-terrorism laws by the Police, that I shuddered upon hearing and seeing the news.
It is clear that those forward thinking, brave individuals who believe in liberty, freedom of movement and the right to have influence over their environment, must continue to voice their fears and educate the ignorant.
The introduction of I.D. cards and blanket serveillance will see the state's power increased dramatically and irreversibly and must be resisted at all cost.
To quote Orwell;
"To see what is in front of one's nose requires constant struggle."
I, like many others, have been warning of this for the last half decade. So sinister were the actions of the stewards, but more so the perverse (yet predictable) use of anti-terrorism laws by the Police, that I shuddered upon hearing and seeing the news.
It is clear that those forward thinking, brave individuals who believe in liberty, freedom of movement and the right to have influence over their environment, must continue to voice their fears and educate the ignorant.
The introduction of I.D. cards and blanket serveillance will see the state's power increased dramatically and irreversibly and must be resisted at all cost.
To quote Orwell;
"To see what is in front of one's nose requires constant struggle."
01 October 2005, 01:25 AM
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The Labour Party under Blair has turned into an institutionalised bully, and the country into a police state. I am glad I do not live in the UK.
G. M. Oldroyd, St Martins, Guernsey
Roy Fines, Lincoln
Sir - Churchill's claim, in his election broadcast speech in 1945, that socialism would bring Gestapo-like enforcement caused great offence at the time.
Not many politicians have been able to see 60 years ahead.
Jonathan Goodall, Bath, Somerset
Sir - The unacceptable face of Tonyism was displayed by the arrogant and rude security officer who manhandled an old man out of the hall and strutted like a Gestapo thug with total unconcern for his behaviour. That picture will stay with me for some time, for it sums up this arrogant Government.
Sir - The least the Labour Party should do after the televising of their security forces ejecting undesirables is to ensure decent uniforms are worn. May I suggest brown shirts?
John Wilkinson, Lloret de Mar, Spain
Sir - Heavies suppressing the public to protect the leaders. Has nobody in New Labour read Animal Farm?
frightening trends being identified..
funny how all those who had a dig at my comments re the parralells (sp) on an earlier thread are now strangly silent...
four legs bad two legs good
M
The Labour Party under Blair has turned into an institutionalised bully, and the country into a police state. I am glad I do not live in the UK.
G. M. Oldroyd, St Martins, Guernsey
Roy Fines, Lincoln
Sir - Churchill's claim, in his election broadcast speech in 1945, that socialism would bring Gestapo-like enforcement caused great offence at the time.
Not many politicians have been able to see 60 years ahead.
Jonathan Goodall, Bath, Somerset
Sir - The unacceptable face of Tonyism was displayed by the arrogant and rude security officer who manhandled an old man out of the hall and strutted like a Gestapo thug with total unconcern for his behaviour. That picture will stay with me for some time, for it sums up this arrogant Government.
Sir - The least the Labour Party should do after the televising of their security forces ejecting undesirables is to ensure decent uniforms are worn. May I suggest brown shirts?
John Wilkinson, Lloret de Mar, Spain
Sir - Heavies suppressing the public to protect the leaders. Has nobody in New Labour read Animal Farm?
frightening trends being identified..
funny how all those who had a dig at my comments re the parralells (sp) on an earlier thread are now strangly silent...
four legs bad two legs good
M
01 October 2005, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hedgehog
Another poor soul sleeping his way into the police state.
What a shock you are in for when you wake up.
What a shock you are in for when you wake up.
Couldn't agree more, Hedgehog. Unfotunately, his/her attitude sums up most of the voting population of the UK, hence how the Lying Labour Party are getting away with it.
Scary, isn't it?
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01 October 2005, 08:07 PM
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The comment about Labour party Stewards being dressed in Brown shirts for future conferences i found very funny.
As i said earlier about one of the Stewards being a Pro Bouncer and now i see in some of the press the claim that he is that! explains his approach but still the most frightening thing is that the Police didnt arrest the stewards for assault but did instead detain the gentleman for 4 hours under the terrorism act a sad day for the UK.
Still a point that must be remembered when any future Political party suggests more power for the Police they obviously have to much and i suggest they should have some of it removed.
Where is the democracy that we are suppose to show the world is so good?
we end this week with the Labour Mayor in London ignoring a consultation that proved 3/4 of the people reject his proposal to extend congestion charging zone west wards! another good day for the people.
As i said earlier about one of the Stewards being a Pro Bouncer and now i see in some of the press the claim that he is that! explains his approach but still the most frightening thing is that the Police didnt arrest the stewards for assault but did instead detain the gentleman for 4 hours under the terrorism act
a sad day for the UK. Still a point that must be remembered when any future Political party suggests more power for the Police they obviously have to much and i suggest they should have some of it removed.
Where is the democracy that we are suppose to show the world is so good?
we end this week with the Labour Mayor in London ignoring a consultation that proved 3/4 of the people reject his proposal to extend congestion charging zone west wards! another good day for the people.
02 October 2005, 09:04 AM
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Thanks for that Hedgehog.
Glad to see that NL's future intentions are becoming apparent to so many people now.
Crush Her-wake up!
wonder why PSL seems to have lost his bottle this time?
Les
Glad to see that NL's future intentions are becoming apparent to so many people now.
Crush Her-wake up!
wonder why PSL seems to have lost his bottle this time?
Les
02 October 2005, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Adrian F
I couldn’t believe the BBC news tonight when I saw the Labour party had stewards physically remove an 82 year old man who called Jack Straw a liar from the conference room as well as throwing out (literally) a man who questioned their treatment of the 82 year old!
Then the Police didn’t arrest any body for assaulting the 82 year old instead they held HIM for 4 HOURS under anti terrorism laws!
They want us to trust them with stricter laws and ID cards. This is disgraceful and maybe the USA should invade here next to restore a proper democracy where people can question the government with out being assaulted and detained by the Police.
Then they apologise as if that will explain away the treatment. It was just spin to hide a PR mistake but doesn’t change the attitude they have to dissent or the way they use laws to oppress political objections.
Makes you think of a Police state.
Then the Police didn’t arrest any body for assaulting the 82 year old instead they held HIM for 4 HOURS under anti terrorism laws!
They want us to trust them with stricter laws and ID cards. This is disgraceful and maybe the USA should invade here next to restore a proper democracy where people can question the government with out being assaulted and detained by the Police.
Then they apologise as if that will explain away the treatment. It was just spin to hide a PR mistake but doesn’t change the attitude they have to dissent or the way they use laws to oppress political objections.
Makes you think of a Police state.
Lot has been said here but i couldnt resist commenting.
02 October 2005, 12:51 PM
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The reports about the Copper Blair and Mallon wanting vastly increased powers for the police without recourse to the Law are also revealing as well as Copper Blair's attempt to cancel the rights of the IPPC.
Billy's point about increasing police powers during his speech make it all even more of a worry!
Les
Billy's point about increasing police powers during his speech make it all even more of a worry!
Les
02 October 2005, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
wonder why PSL seems to have lost his bottle this time?
02 October 2005, 07:32 PM
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In some ways what is even more frightening about the Party Conference isn't the overt use of the police state to control the citizens who attended but the rush to be seen to be part of the new control systems by those within the party. I am given to believe that there was a 6 minute ovation from the "faithful" following a speech by Blair.
It is reported that Comrade Stalin once managed an 11 minute ovation due purely to the fact that none of those present had the courage to be the first to stop clapping. It is said that some of the older members present collapsed from their exertions and this was, on reflection, a better option than to be the first to stop. The manager of a large paper factory was the first to stop and sit down. He was arrested the same evening, I'm not entirely sure what his fate was but am inclined to believe it wasn't pleasant.
To this we could add that at one of the early meetings of the Party, during the period when Stalin was still finding his feet, Sergei Kirov received an ovation of the same duration as that furnished to Comarde Stalin. Within a short time Kirov was eliminated, probably under some vague "anti-terrorist" law which labelled his actions a crime against the Workers or the Party.
The removal of one old bloke and the use of the apparatus of a fledgling police state against him is something that I am sure history will view as a significant turning point in the government of this country but perhaps more frightening is the observation that no one in the Party was willing to be seen to be the first to stop clapping when the leader had spoken. The Labour Party always, traditionally, reflected a large range of views but now there may be no one left to tell Comrade Blair the truth.
It is reported that Comrade Stalin once managed an 11 minute ovation due purely to the fact that none of those present had the courage to be the first to stop clapping. It is said that some of the older members present collapsed from their exertions and this was, on reflection, a better option than to be the first to stop. The manager of a large paper factory was the first to stop and sit down. He was arrested the same evening, I'm not entirely sure what his fate was but am inclined to believe it wasn't pleasant.
To this we could add that at one of the early meetings of the Party, during the period when Stalin was still finding his feet, Sergei Kirov received an ovation of the same duration as that furnished to Comarde Stalin. Within a short time Kirov was eliminated, probably under some vague "anti-terrorist" law which labelled his actions a crime against the Workers or the Party.
The removal of one old bloke and the use of the apparatus of a fledgling police state against him is something that I am sure history will view as a significant turning point in the government of this country but perhaps more frightening is the observation that no one in the Party was willing to be seen to be the first to stop clapping when the leader had spoken. The Labour Party always, traditionally, reflected a large range of views but now there may be no one left to tell Comrade Blair the truth.