welldone andy isnt ur car approx 200k lighter than nearest scoob rival after being weighed?

 

It's 140kg lighter than Marks Sti5 and approx 30kg lighter than Pavlos RA.

Andy

 

Oh Yes !
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I have spent considerable time on the underside aero Alan, taken it all off again though before anyone copied it ! The tape on the lights was more to keep them in place lol
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Not sure to be honest ? Thought about an auto box/3.3 conversion/shorter lighter bodyshell but all these take it away from being a genuine 'scooby'
Any suggestions ?
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Yea, I know. Do you think a cage would have made much difference if it had gone on its roof at 200+ mph on Elvingtons abrasive concrete surface ? I recon it would have been ground down to the doorhandles in no time !
It's not something I intend to do again.... in the near future anyway
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Here is an RX7 in trouble at 215mph and they have a decent shape to them !


http://www.stupidvideos.com/?VideoID=567

 

man. Congratulations guys.

 

your only a hop, skip and a jump away from that, but it always happens to the other fellow

 

i can just imagine the head on the driver "yes yes wooohooooo ooooooooooohhh shhhhiitt!!!!"

 

Andy,

Just noticed,

Your generosity just overwhelms me


Mark.

 

Well you did say they wanted to use my car for publicity Mark !

Andy

 

Just seen this thread although heard about the feat when it happened.

Must say congratulations are in order. I find it a very exciting time to be around the Subaru tuning scene. With yourself, Paul and Mark pushing the limits of these cars to seemingly unheard of domains i can't help but feel awe for the marque. It seems like every month there is some sort of record broken. 210.2mph is just completely hatstand in my book. I don't like it beyond 140 and you guys are doing that on the 1/4 weekend in weekend out.

I can't wait to see what you do next Andy but please fit a cage before you go 200+ again. It may seem pointless but then it may just be enough to save a life.

By the way, 210.2mph is Mach 0.28.

 

If your going to go, go in style

Andy, will you go for the 1.25 record at the end of October?
(If not, give me the keys )

Steven

 

slow that isnt it? lol

 

I think it’s a tough call for you to make Andy.

I agree, going down the route of 3.3, auto, etc may not be the right thing to do.

As it is just now, your car has an engine, transmission, suspension etc which is pretty much obtainable through various outlets and performance shops, so anyone can get results close to what you’ve achieved if they have the money, time and inclination to do it.
This is what makes it all the more awe inspiring with what you’ve done. You use a 4 cylinder EJxx block (99% of Imprezas have one..) and modify everything around it to get where you are today.

Going down the 3.3 route I feel won’t have the same impact, because some guys won’t be able to relate to it with their own car and drag results.
It’s like watching these drag cars (funny cars) with their tremendous outputs and ¼ mile times on the strip. The only similarity to Joe Bloggs car is the body *shape* which looks *similarish* to their own! Everything else has nothing to do with the original car. Very impressive to watch but pretty much unobtainable to the average guy on the street.

The problem you have just now is that every challenge that’s been set to you over the years has been addressed and proven. Now you’re at the top of the tree, what else is left to figure out?
You’ve proven yourself on handling, on track, on rolling road, on the ¼ mile... what’s left? If there is anything you can think of, that’s where you want to be focusing your attention providing Subaru’s is where you want to be at.
Perhaps EVO’s or Skylines for example could be the next area you look at? Despite some very fast and powerful cars from Mitsubishi and Nissan, who’s to say they can’t be improved upon over the methods employed just now.
Look what you did with Subaru’s…

 

Alan,

Not certain that I agree with you. For a start, whilst Andy's results are FANTASTIC, the Rigoli's still hold the outright 1/4 mile record, at IIRC 8.95. Surely that would be Andy's target before moving on ?

As to going the 3.3lt route, would people relate to it any less than our 2.35lt stroked engines ? isn't it just a natural progression ?

Mark.

 

did say ur NEAREST rival, u know who that is

 

How much does weight affect top speed though ?
I'd swap the slippier shape of a new age car for 200kg anyday when it comes to top speed !
I'd want to keep my engine though

 

The Rigoli record is 8.881 seconds @ 154mph in a WRX wagon. It's red - so that MUST be the fastest colour to have and NOT blue as we all thought

 

That explains why my inlet manifold works then Jon

Chasing 1/4 mile times to the 8's would make the car into a 'drag' car though. At the moment it is still an all rounder, all that needs changed for handling are the wheels/tyres.

The Rigoli car has had to go to an auto box, teeny radiator, solid rear axle, methanol fuel and no centre diff. It will struggle to turn in the paddock never mind a handling circuit !

Andy

 

Already answered by Andy in that it has an auto box.


I can understand where you're coming from Mark and can agree to an extent to it being a natural progression, but if you read my previous post about seriously quick drag cars, the *really* quick ones only bear a passing resemblance to the marque it's meant to be. All the mechanicals tend to be from another manufacturer.

As it is just now, relating to the 2.35 is achievable to the average man on the street as there are many suppliers out there willing to take money in exchange for one of those type of engines, which drop straight in, in place of the original 2.0

How many 3.3's do you know of that are out there and have all the fabrication work necessary to fit in an Impreza available to the buying public?

Once that happens (if it does), then yes i can see more people relating to it, cause comparisons can be made between a run of the mill 3.3 and a tuned 3.3 IYSWIM. Same way as the 2.0/2.2 etc has been tuned and compared through the years.

 

Good point and no doubt Andy has looked at it.
What happens when he beats that? Where does he go from there?

Hmm.. Did you notice i said..."when he beats that?".


Andy
Have you ever failed at any challenge?

 

Alan,

Someone has to start these things off, before you're going to get products available off the shelf, so to speak.

How do you think all the tuning parts we have available to us now came to fruition ? 2.0lt, 2.2lt, 2.35lt, 2.5lt, and next, the 3.0, and 3.3lt

Andy,

And ?

You have a stripped out car with a 20lt fuel tank, and gaffer tape your car up how practical is that for most people ?

It depends whether you want to beat the Rigoli's or not

I can think of a few people who'd like to see you take the record, and I'm sure they'd help give you a push round the paddock if you need one

Mark.

 

I would have thought 3.3 would be great for tuners - thats 50% more pistons, rods, bearings and valves for every engine that the wannabe punter wants in his car too

The results remain fabulous - I think autobox is not the way forward. It had already been said (by those who know down under) that 9s could not be done with a manual box. Well that is that theory out of the window.

How about an 8s manual run?

There is more to come as you keep telling us Andy - find a day when clutch, NOS, engine, wind, traction, IAT, right foot and left hand all work together in congruent synchronicity - what will it produce then?

Rannoch

 

For the record my car is more like 60kg heavier than Andy's!

(cheeky oik!)

Paul

 

By people like you who are able and keen enough to try and push the boundaries of Subaru tuning.
The 3.3 is a different kettle of fish though, requiring a fair amount of engineering and ingenuity to get it to fit in an Impreza engine bay and get it to work.
Coupled with that you have the cost factor which takes into account costs versus results.

Do you honestly think there will be a market place for such a thing?, bearing in mind the capabilities the Subaru has now with the 4 cylinder blocks?
I can't see it.

As Rannoch says, it would be great for tuners. I see it as being a great marketing tool showing what a tuner is capable of doing and the lengths they are prepared to go to further the boundaries of Impreza performance, but as a next stage tuning level for the guy on the street?.. nahh!

 

I was just reading today about some Cossie doing 202mph....






Go Andy!!

 

Alan, Pat (and a few others) has already shown us that an SVX 3.3 engine bolts into an Impreza engine bay on the standard mounts, the only real problem is deciding where to put the intercooler or radiator...there isn't really sufficient room to fit both together in the engine bay, which leaves you with some interesting choices when it comes to looks...taking a leaf from the Jun drift GDB and locating the radiator in the boot is probably the answer, but it doesn't look very nice

 

No reason you couldn't extend the front of the car David Wallis stylee

 

I've never seen any pics of this mythical 3.3 that Pat's got!

Even assuming it's real, you've typed up another reason for a 3.3 not being a feasible next stage tuning option for the masses.

Funny look front end.. radiator in the boot..

 

Alan,

I have!

Hayward & scott made the exhaust, it runs a pair of GT25's at either side of the engine bay, it is for pats type-r track car (fully caged and will be wide arched) the cams went to piper and they shagged a set, so provided a set of billet cams FOC (well same price as a regrind) the heads are at SMG being ported/polished etc.. when they come back the engine is being stripped checked and rebuilt using 22b pistons IIRC..

It will then be reassembled and thrown in the car complete with a 6spd dog box, and most likely fully active diffs front centre and rear controlled by his Pectel T10 or a life racing F90

However the big problem is, pat is building his other Type R as a road car or ED425 as its known this will be using a 2.5 and a small garrett.. when he eventually finishes this, (which has now been painted) he will start on the next one, which he isnt planning on doing before spring

However he isnt in a hurry to do it at all.. but If you want to go to "Rally Colin"'s place Im sure he wouldnt mind if you had a look

David

 

congrats to andy f utterly brilliant

 

I think the Silver car is elsewhere David, the caged shell is still there though...