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Originally Posted by john banks
I would say that our Fiesta Zetec we had handled better than the Subaru although I did not own them at the same time. The Puma we did have at the same time as my Subaru (with P1 suspension, loads of Whiteline goodies) definitely handled better.
It didn't grip better, but the weighting of the controls, the linearity of their response and the feedback and delicacy was far better.
Wake up and smell the coffee Lots of small cars will corner at similar speeds to a Scooby. It just happens to have a turbo whoosh and lots of traction. This does not make it a great handling car, and doesn't make steady state cornering speeds necessarily faster.
It didn't grip better, but the weighting of the controls, the linearity of their response and the feedback and delicacy was far better.
Wake up and smell the coffee Lots of small cars will corner at similar speeds to a Scooby. It just happens to have a turbo whoosh and lots of traction. This does not make it a great handling car, and doesn't make steady state cornering speeds necessarily faster.
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Looks from other boy'd up cars are probably from people who are looking for a race.
I dont think many people look at Subaru Impreza's and think "wow look at that car" - they arent really that desirable, especially now theres so many of them and can be got so cheaply.
I dont think many people look at Subaru Impreza's and think "wow look at that car" - they arent really that desirable, especially now theres so many of them and can be got so cheaply.
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Originally Posted by john banks
CyprusScooby, please enlighten me with your definition of handling and why you do not agree with what I have said.
Personally, I've always seen it from Subaru's point of view: they know that must people don't give two cents about how a car "feels" they want to know how it "grips and goes" (very well in the case of the Scooby). Problem is, this tends to foster a sense of invincibility and they don't want everyone thinking they're Petter Solberg on the public roads, as they know full well that the accident will most likely occur at a high speed and will not be a light one. ]
So, what do they do: give us a car with handling so good that it can be balanced at the limit like an MX5 (but at much higher speeds) or try and disuade such antics by given us a car with a set up that discourages us probing its limits by understeering to warn us to back off. They do the latter, of course, and so they should; everyone thinks they're a bit tasty behind the wheel, when most of us just aren't.
The nice thing about a std Scooby's set up is that it lets you enjoy driving quickly, but doesn't bail on you as soon as you make a mistake. Even cars that have a reputation for having excellent handling can do that. I had a mate with an MX5 who was overjoyed at how communicative it was and how it encouraged you to learn about balancing the car on the throttle. All very well untill he ran out of talent and ended up in a field (fortunately, nothing hurt but pride). I took a roundabout a bit too enthusiastically recently, noticed the understeer, backed off gently, the nose tucked in, I pressed the accelerator down and aimed for the exit and sure enough the car found its purchase and shot me off up the road. Sure, probably not the most fun I could have had, had I been in a well balanced RWD car (and been a bit more talented) ;-) but it was predictable, enjoyable and -above all else- safe even though my tyres are past their best if truth be told.
I think Subaru have got it about right with the std handling and given us a nice base to modify from to tailor the handling to our liking. I do agree that grip and traction should not be confused with handling, but we should not loose sight of what a good job Subaru have done in making the performance of the car accessible to the masses.
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Well suggest you keep it in the garage at night, set the house alarm and make sure you have a tracker just to be on safe side
Originally Posted by ukturbo
Thanks everyone for all your replies i think its all the car jacking i have seen on here and other impreza forums and there is a few rough estates local to my area i live in prescot now used to live in st helens until last year. Only down the road from me is where i fill up with shell optimax in rainhill a lad who works there was asking where do i live and told him only up the road from here just off ash grove he said kingsway is only down the road from me and he warned me to watch out for my car as there are plenty of car theives round here whiston huyton and prescot,its a quiet nice estate i live in though some really nice houses on this estate
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People confuse grip & traction with handling!
Subaru handling is rubbish, but it makes up for in in the levels of traction it can provide.
My old Honda CRX as standard handled much better than an Impreza! Hell.... my wifes Ford Ka handles better than an Impreza! yes, an Impreza will have a higher entry and exit speed on corners, but it doesn't mean it's handling well! Especially when you talk about levels of balance, feedback, etc.
Imprezas can be made to handle well, if you are willing to invest in dampers, springs, bushes, drop links and geometery changes.
Subaru handling is rubbish, but it makes up for in in the levels of traction it can provide.
My old Honda CRX as standard handled much better than an Impreza! Hell.... my wifes Ford Ka handles better than an Impreza! yes, an Impreza will have a higher entry and exit speed on corners, but it doesn't mean it's handling well! Especially when you talk about levels of balance, feedback, etc.
Imprezas can be made to handle well, if you are willing to invest in dampers, springs, bushes, drop links and geometery changes.
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Originally Posted by DonnieDarko
^^ how the f*ck can you afford to insure that at 18?? let me guess you paid cash for the car and insurance lol.
I'm 32 and even now I hear people saying 'how can you afford to run a car like that' - funny thing is the people who say this are always the ones who are out clubbing 3 nights a week and smoke 20 or 30 cigs a day
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Originally Posted by Hanley
Maybe he doesn't spend all his money on booze 'n' ****
I'm 32 and even now I hear people saying 'how can you afford to run a car like that' - funny thing is the people who say this are always the ones who are out clubbing 3 nights a week and smoke 20 or 30 cigs a day
I'm 32 and even now I hear people saying 'how can you afford to run a car like that' - funny thing is the people who say this are always the ones who are out clubbing 3 nights a week and smoke 20 or 30 cigs a day
Thing is. I'll take the car over the booze and nite clubs anyday!
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Originally Posted by DonnieDarko
^^ how the f*ck can you afford to insure that at 18?? let me guess you paid cash for the car and insurance lol.
My god if only things were as easy now as they were then.
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Originally Posted by dibbleyuk
i get lots of looks in mine i reckon people just thinking whats that kid doing in that! im 18 and this is my impreza
correct me if i'm wrong dibbley
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
he can insure it coz its a sport!!!!!!!!!
correct me if i'm wrong dibbley
correct me if i'm wrong dibbley
Good on you son!
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It may be a sport but it still tears up the old gravel car parks pretty good doesn't it dibbley?
Edited to add: Nice car mate.
Edited to add: Nice car mate.
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Originally Posted by john banks
I would say that our Fiesta Zetec we had handled better than the Subaru although I did not own them at the same time. The Puma we did have at the same time as my Subaru (with P1 suspension, loads of Whiteline goodies) definitely handled better.
It didn't grip better, but the weighting of the controls, the linearity of their response and the feedback and delicacy was far better.
Wake up and smell the coffee Lots of small cars will corner at similar speeds to a Scooby. It just happens to have a turbo whoosh and lots of traction. This does not make it a great handling car, and doesn't make steady state cornering speeds necessarily faster.
It didn't grip better, but the weighting of the controls, the linearity of their response and the feedback and delicacy was far better.
Wake up and smell the coffee Lots of small cars will corner at similar speeds to a Scooby. It just happens to have a turbo whoosh and lots of traction. This does not make it a great handling car, and doesn't make steady state cornering speeds necessarily faster.
I was tempted to post on here about it,but didnt want to get shot down in flames-Thank you John for educating the uneducated-i agree with you
Gary
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Originally Posted by john banks
I have followed a Focus as well (and owned one) and when the situation is not reliant on power there is no difference that I could tell between a Focus and a Scooby.
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thanks everyone for the replies!
Iam 31 years old but work colleagues say i only look about 22 one of my mates was in the car one day and i got stared at he used to have a scooby and he got it from other drivers he said its jealousy and he said cos i look so young for my age and driving a scooby i would love to get a bank loan and get a wrx sti but i cant really afford it at the mo and my job does not pay me the best of wages
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Going back to the original subject, as someone else said, it all boils down to simple jealousy. These lads have probably barried up their motors to 'look' fast. Then you rumble past in your standard looking (nice example by the way) Impreza, which doesn't have any lairy non-standard external crap bolted to it.
It probably annoys them to think that it is effortlessly faster (which is the only thing that matters to them - going fast innit ) in most cases anyway, whilst not having to be as showy as their barrymobiles. They'll grow up one day.
Ok, I'm stereotyping here I know, but it's fun.
It probably annoys them to think that it is effortlessly faster (which is the only thing that matters to them - going fast innit ) in most cases anyway, whilst not having to be as showy as their barrymobiles. They'll grow up one day.
Ok, I'm stereotyping here I know, but it's fun.
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Of course, we of have to bare in mind that we bring our own assuptions to the table when inferring what people make of our cars. For example, how often have you thought: "Maybe that bloke in the Corsa wasn't trying to race me, maybe he's just late for an appointment"
Sometimes our reactions to the perceived way people respond to our cars tells us as much -if not more- about ourselves than them!
Something to think about, anyway!
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Sometimes our reactions to the perceived way people respond to our cars tells us as much -if not more- about ourselves than them!
Something to think about, anyway!
NS04
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So what would the diagnosis be on this reaction :
Old 80's merc, blacked out windows,big chrome rims, deafening Bangra music coming out of it, two asian lads leaning out of the window doing the 'clicky finger thing' and shouting 'Yes, Yes' at me ?
Its not all bad driving a scooby
Old 80's merc, blacked out windows,big chrome rims, deafening Bangra music coming out of it, two asian lads leaning out of the window doing the 'clicky finger thing' and shouting 'Yes, Yes' at me ?
Its not all bad driving a scooby
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I drive a BMW now, so I'm used to receiving all the stereotypical flak that goes with it, some of it well deserved. It's a good point you make though n_s 04.
*searches deep into the soul*
*searches deep into the soul*
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[QUOTE=MikeCardiff]So what would the diagnosis be on this reaction :
Old 80's merc, blacked out windows,big chrome rims,
My diagnosis? It's beyond help, scrap it.
Old 80's merc, blacked out windows,big chrome rims,
My diagnosis? It's beyond help, scrap it.
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Originally Posted by MikeCardiff
So what would the diagnosis be on this reaction :
Old 80's merc, blacked out windows,big chrome rims, deafening Bangra music coming out of it, two asian lads leaning out of the window doing the 'clicky finger thing' and shouting 'Yes, Yes' at me ?
Its not all bad driving a scooby
Old 80's merc, blacked out windows,big chrome rims, deafening Bangra music coming out of it, two asian lads leaning out of the window doing the 'clicky finger thing' and shouting 'Yes, Yes' at me ?
Its not all bad driving a scooby
Oooo nasty!
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