DOES A EU IMPORT MATTER ?
10 October 2005, 02:59 PM
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Seconded, and you can get aqua blue which isn't available in UK
Originally Posted by Vipa
Same old chestnut....
My MY05 WRX Cypriat Import is undersealed just like a UK market car would be...
Also, Idon't know where the 'inferior' element comes from. The Cypriat cars come with proper STI bucket seats rather than the UK product 'sports' seats, come with a 3 year Subaru warranty and a 5 year drive train & suspension warranty (not available on a UK car) and I saved £4k new... so Inferior, I think not.
Paul
BTW the 5yr drivetrain & suspension warranty is transferable as is the 3yr standard warranty.
My MY05 WRX Cypriat Import is undersealed just like a UK market car would be...
Also, Idon't know where the 'inferior' element comes from. The Cypriat cars come with proper STI bucket seats rather than the UK product 'sports' seats, come with a 3 year Subaru warranty and a 5 year drive train & suspension warranty (not available on a UK car) and I saved £4k new... so Inferior, I think not.
Paul
BTW the 5yr drivetrain & suspension warranty is transferable as is the 3yr standard warranty.
11 October 2005, 08:26 AM
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Seconded, and you can get aqua blue which isn't available in UK
FOR THE GIRLS!!!!
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11 October 2005, 10:50 AM
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Make sure you see the VAT invoice for the car. If the owner sneaked it in without paying, you will still be liable to pay (probably about £2.5-3k) if the tax man and DVLA man catch up with you.
11 October 2005, 02:03 PM
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To ba fair guy's I banged on about this last year when I bought my EU Cyprus wrx, was told and believed that the underseal was exactly the same as UK spec. Infact I posted just like many of you here stating so.
However the truth of the matter (as far as my car was concerned) at it's first service the mechanic pointed out that although it was undersealed it wasn't as widespread as it should be (note he was unaware at the time it was an EU car). It was only applied down centre and not out to sides and under arches. No problem, they had it back and re-did it for £50. Note this is done as part of the bodywork inspection, hence their cost.
So maybe this is where the confusion arrises, there is underseal but not as much as UK cars. Just get it done and be done with it, then you can enjoy the BETTER spec EU car (ie bucket seats not the USA benches fitted to UK cars)..!
However the truth of the matter (as far as my car was concerned) at it's first service the mechanic pointed out that although it was undersealed it wasn't as widespread as it should be (note he was unaware at the time it was an EU car). It was only applied down centre and not out to sides and under arches. No problem, they had it back and re-did it for £50. Note this is done as part of the bodywork inspection, hence their cost.
So maybe this is where the confusion arrises, there is underseal but not as much as UK cars. Just get it done and be done with it, then you can enjoy the BETTER spec EU car (ie bucket seats not the USA benches fitted to UK cars)..!
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I have to agree with Pete on this, if the saleman is being a bit coy (sp?) then WALK AWAY..!
Also, as said, there are too many good cheap scoobs around to be considering anything you have doubts about..!
Also, as said, there are too many good cheap scoobs around to be considering anything you have doubts about..!
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Originally Posted by DonnieDarko
there's an aqua blue near me-> it looks pretty gay tbh
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Just posted this elsewhere on the forum to answer a question raised, but thought it might be helpful to post it under this thread too. It's an important point, but a little in depth so bear with me....
The original "2 button" ignition key on non-UK vehicles is designed solely for convenience to lock/unlock the doors, with little thought to security. It does not utilize the necessary random encryption transmission required by Thatcham to switch a Category 1 alarm system.
There are Thatcham approved alarm systems on the market that are designed to be switched from a vehicle’s original equipment transmitter, but their Thatcham approval is granted only on the understanding that they are fitted to vehicles whose existing transmitters have secure encryption to Thatcham's specification.
However, as most manufacturers (Subaru included) now use transponder technology to switch their standard immobiliser systems, there is no need for them to produce an encrypted transmitter just to operate the vehicles locking - there are no requirements in this area.
Any product fitted to an imported Subaru that switches from the original "2 button" ignition key will no longer be Thatcham approved as the transmission is susceptible to code scanning and grabbing.
On early 2001 vehicles when the "2 button" ignition key was first introduced in the UK a separate Radio Key was supplied to securely switch the alarm system and meet Thatcham approval.
The batteries were deliberately removed from these early "2 button" ignition keys to prevent them from working - if the vehicle were locked with the separate Radio Key and then unlocked with the "2 button" ignition key the vehicle would unlock, but with the alarm still armed, leading to a trigger when the door was opened and then confusion over which button to press!
For UK vehicles the Sigma Radio Keys transmitter was redesigned to fit inside the Subaru ignition key housing, whilst retaining the Thatcham encryption.
As the Sigma transmitter utilizes a single button to both lock/unlock the vehicle, a new top section for the ignition key was manufactured in the UK for the single button.
If you have an early UK car (with a "disabled" 2-button ignition key and the separate Sigma Radio Key with the Blue Subaru decal) or an import with a Sigma M30, then the re-designed Sigma transmitter and single button key housing can be purchased from Subaru and programmed to your system.
The part number is SACC 3507 for these parts and should cost around £40.
Don’t pay over the odds for programming, as this can be done yourself using the keypad in a couple of minutes, provided you have the system's PIN code or an existing working Radio Key.
On a similar note, there are Thatcham 2 to 1 upgrade alarm systems on the market that are designed to be fitted to vehicles with an existing Category 2 immobiliser, but their Thatcham approval is granted only on the understanding that they are fitted to vehicles whose existing immobilization system carries Thatcham Category 2 approval.
Unfortunately, the standard Subaru transponder immobiliser has not been tested on its own by Thatcham and so does not carry Category 2 approval.
Any Thatcham 2 to 1 upgrade alarm system fitted to an imported Subaru that utilizes the existing Subaru transponder immobiliser will no longer be Thatcham category 1 approved.
I hope that may have explained things if your considering an import or a security system for one, rather than confuse you further!
In short
1. Ensure you have a full Category 1 alarm system fitted - not a 2 to 1 upgrade.
2. Ensure your system is armed/disarmed by a separate Radio Key (or the built-in single button Sigma type) – not from the original “2 button” type
If you really dont want a separate remote in addition to the existing key, then a Sigma M30 (not the newer S30 - as the encryption is different) is the only way to go and then purchase the parts to build the transmitter into the ignition key from a Subaru dealer.
SS
The original "2 button" ignition key on non-UK vehicles is designed solely for convenience to lock/unlock the doors, with little thought to security. It does not utilize the necessary random encryption transmission required by Thatcham to switch a Category 1 alarm system.
There are Thatcham approved alarm systems on the market that are designed to be switched from a vehicle’s original equipment transmitter, but their Thatcham approval is granted only on the understanding that they are fitted to vehicles whose existing transmitters have secure encryption to Thatcham's specification.
However, as most manufacturers (Subaru included) now use transponder technology to switch their standard immobiliser systems, there is no need for them to produce an encrypted transmitter just to operate the vehicles locking - there are no requirements in this area.
Any product fitted to an imported Subaru that switches from the original "2 button" ignition key will no longer be Thatcham approved as the transmission is susceptible to code scanning and grabbing.
On early 2001 vehicles when the "2 button" ignition key was first introduced in the UK a separate Radio Key was supplied to securely switch the alarm system and meet Thatcham approval.
The batteries were deliberately removed from these early "2 button" ignition keys to prevent them from working - if the vehicle were locked with the separate Radio Key and then unlocked with the "2 button" ignition key the vehicle would unlock, but with the alarm still armed, leading to a trigger when the door was opened and then confusion over which button to press!
For UK vehicles the Sigma Radio Keys transmitter was redesigned to fit inside the Subaru ignition key housing, whilst retaining the Thatcham encryption.
As the Sigma transmitter utilizes a single button to both lock/unlock the vehicle, a new top section for the ignition key was manufactured in the UK for the single button.
If you have an early UK car (with a "disabled" 2-button ignition key and the separate Sigma Radio Key with the Blue Subaru decal) or an import with a Sigma M30, then the re-designed Sigma transmitter and single button key housing can be purchased from Subaru and programmed to your system.
The part number is SACC 3507 for these parts and should cost around £40.
Don’t pay over the odds for programming, as this can be done yourself using the keypad in a couple of minutes, provided you have the system's PIN code or an existing working Radio Key.
On a similar note, there are Thatcham 2 to 1 upgrade alarm systems on the market that are designed to be fitted to vehicles with an existing Category 2 immobiliser, but their Thatcham approval is granted only on the understanding that they are fitted to vehicles whose existing immobilization system carries Thatcham Category 2 approval.
Unfortunately, the standard Subaru transponder immobiliser has not been tested on its own by Thatcham and so does not carry Category 2 approval.
Any Thatcham 2 to 1 upgrade alarm system fitted to an imported Subaru that utilizes the existing Subaru transponder immobiliser will no longer be Thatcham category 1 approved.
I hope that may have explained things if your considering an import or a security system for one, rather than confuse you further!
In short
1. Ensure you have a full Category 1 alarm system fitted - not a 2 to 1 upgrade.
2. Ensure your system is armed/disarmed by a separate Radio Key (or the built-in single button Sigma type) – not from the original “2 button” type
If you really dont want a separate remote in addition to the existing key, then a Sigma M30 (not the newer S30 - as the encryption is different) is the only way to go and then purchase the parts to build the transmitter into the ignition key from a Subaru dealer.
SS
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