Sideways, the way forward

turbo timer on my P1(standard) recorded a 0-60 time of 4.1secs! the factory spec figures are obtained from imprezas that have done like 5miles on a brand new tight engine. Once they have loosened they are far more rapid!

I would imagine that typically ur type 25 or spec C would be fastest (of the new age range)

classics.... type R/RA/P1.

by the way i read a review that quotes 'the P1... heraldly regarded as the greatest impreza ever'

come on...who disagrees???????

CyprusScooby

The STi Type-R is the fastest factory staandard Scoob.


The Type 25 is not an official model. It was developed by Litchfield Imports

ex-webby

Cyprus,
According to who (regarding the Type R statement) ?!?

Regards,
Shaun.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

He is right about the spec c though, not a standrard official subaru model.

Chip

Yeah right, they are really common arent they

Chip

CyprusScooby

You just need to look at the 0-60 etc times!
The Type-R is the lightest of all the Scoobs. The 0-60 time is even better than a 22B. It also has the closest ratio box. The new age are comparitive on power but are ALOT heavier. I've driven a Spec C. Fast, but the Type-R still has the edge.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

I have to agree, that the 290 sti engine in a classic that only weighs 1280kg, does indeed make a serious track weapon. But, when we say 'the fastest', do we mean 0-60, a lap round silverstone??? Far to easy to look at the 0-60 times.

My sti 4 has a higher top speed than a type r, simply due to the gear ratio's ( 22mph/1000rpm vs 19mph/1000rpm).

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

The Spec C is the quickest none special edition (ie S203) car, it DOES outperform the type R, the quickest type R is known to be the v4, so how come because its heavier its quicker?
Lets see..... aerodynamically superior to the classic, more airflow onto the intercooler, close ratio gearbox, engine produces more power and torque..... the C is the quicker and even subaru show that (standing 1/4 mile times, v4 type R v Spec C)

V4 type R = 13.4@104mph
Spec C = 13.0@108mph

Subaru figures

Tony

CyprusScooby

Yeah but them figures are modest. i've seen faster times than that on standard ones.


By the way, whoever, said that a standard STi is faster than a Type-R STi is wrong. The close ratio box actually makes it FASTER! Although it does scream!!!! I have fitted 18" wheels to ellevate this problem.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

So if both sets of figures are modest then that still makes the Spec C the quickest

Tony

CyprusScooby

We organised a day over here with Subaru Cyprus for charity. They brought all the Jap and Euro Spec Scoobs with them. We raced them down the Runway and timed them with official running gear and a calibrated Poilce Speed Gun. We also raced them against some RAF helicopters.

The Spec C is fast, but it is too heavy when compared to the RA and Type-R. They pissed all over it!!!! I was so dissapointed with the 22B. Thought they would be abit faster with the 2.2 engine. The classics are faster. Would loved to see how a Type25 would perform.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Its not about weight, this is where eveyone falls flat on their face
Its about aerodynamics and gearing, power and torque, the spec C has the best of the lot, hence why its acutally the quicker, considering you need 5 gears to get to the 108mph mark..... plus the in gear times (most have well over 300lbs of torque without mods) they slaughter most cars out there )
They do take a little running in though, anything under 5-6k miles on the clock (as per any scoob) and its not worth trying, as demonstrated by the increase in power mine made between 1.4 and 7k miles

Tony

CyprusScooby

The new age have even worse aerodynamics than the classic!

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

They dont acutally, they are much improved on the "brick" shape of the classic, especially cooling on the intercooler, which is one of the advantages, and having owned both a classic and a new age, the new age is the better by far

Tony

flat4_ire

have no experience of the new age but id say they are the job! wasnt too sure on the bugeye at first but that headlight conversion saved them! the 03 model is just gorgeous, would love a white one to go with my my type r, cant beat white scoobs IMO, wat u got tony?
tony

XRS

They are in my road - 33.3% of the Subarus are Type 25s!

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

A white Spec C the only colour to have

Tony

CyprusScooby

Your forgetting the massive drag created by the bigger Scoop though! I saw a newage Scoobs bonnet bend due to the drag created at high speed. Don't get that in the classic!!!! The newage is alot more chunkier and the front end is not quite as sleek. Ok the light units are better, but thats about it!

However I hear the new Scoob has amazing aerodynamics for a saloon car!

CyprusScooby

Have to agree there. They do look the bomb! Theres quite a few here. I don't know why some people put the STi spoiler on them though. I prefer them standard without the spoiler.
Proper Wolf in Sheeps clothing.

XRS

I beg to disagree - I certainly had the bonnet of my STi IV bending at high speed/in high winds

CyprusScooby

Ive read of plenty of posts on here of newage owners saying about the massive amount of drag created and how it has restricted their top speed.

XRS

I'm not saying that doesn't happen - just that it happened to my classic too

Buckrogers

Should be "its not all about weight....". Weight of course plays a significant factor when comparing Impreza models.

Interesting quote from Scooby Magazine:
"Lets get this out of the way - the

S203 is probably not the fastest

production (or limited production) STi

in a straight line. That honour either

goes to the S202 or the 22b. While the

power levels are higher than either of

those monsters, it is also heavier. A

standard bodied STi was used for the

base instead of picking a lightweight

(and loud) Spec C. STi had reasons

for this, they had plans of a different

sort for the S203. They had decided

that it was time for a grown-up edition."

http://www.scoobymagazine.com/generalpics/s203.pdf

S202 - based on Spec C model - 1330kgs
S203 - based on STi model - 1445kgs

p1doc

nice street where is that subaru city?
martin

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

Do you not understand gear ratio's? 22mph/1000rpm allows for a theoretical top speed of ( 22* 8.25 ) = 181.5mph.
19mph/1000rpm allows for a theoretical top speed of (19*8.25) = 156.75mph.

Both the standard sti and sti type r, share the same engine. So yes, because of the shorter gearing, the type r would be quicker upto it's top speed of 157mph, but then it will run out of revs.

And as for the 18' wheels, if you have kept the rolling radius the same as the standard 16' setup, i.e. bigger wheel with a lower profile tyre, then your gear ratio's stay the same.

I get the impression that you believe that your car is the fastest in the world!

flat4_ire

ah lovely ive a white sti type r, id love a white newage, pm me a pic of urs if u get the time man,thanks
Tony

CyprusScooby

Maybe it does sound that way. I know I ain't Mate. Mines is standard!!!!!