Who's been spanking S2000s then?
18 October 2005, 10:25 PM
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There could be a multitude of reasons. Maybe your car was having a good day - I'd swear when my scooby got the right 'air' it dug up 20bhp more from somewhere 
S2000 is a lot more consistant but can have bad days where it feels sluggish. They don't like rain for more reasons that the switching ends problem.
S2000 is a lot more consistant but can have bad days where it feels sluggish. They don't like rain for more reasons that the switching ends problem.
18 October 2005, 10:34 PM
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Comparing an S2000 to any Impreza is pointless, both are so far apart in terms of design ethics, and also the feel you get when driving them. Both, especially when talking about a great point to point car like the P1 are very capable cars. When you put a competent driver behind the wheel a car like the S2000, it can reward like only a proper sports car can. I am not talking about just pressing the go pedal and getting from a-b in a flurry of boost and, to quote Bozz Speeds moto "Astonishingly Ferocious" grip.
To get the best out of an S you do have to show it some respect, but it is more rewarding for all that. Yet if you are willing to put the time into it, you can cover ground very quickly indeed (just make sure it is dry
) and while you may not get there quite as fast as the P1's of the world, you will I guarantee have had more fun, and you will feel like you have achieved something, controling the car and not just holding on.
I am in no way knocking the Scoobys. Having one myself, a UK STI (Along with a CTR). Just saying there is a place for all types of car and it is just about finding one that suits your style of driving.
To get the best out of an S you do have to show it some respect, but it is more rewarding for all that. Yet if you are willing to put the time into it, you can cover ground very quickly indeed (just make sure it is dry
) and while you may not get there quite as fast as the P1's of the world, you will I guarantee have had more fun, and you will feel like you have achieved something, controling the car and not just holding on.I am in no way knocking the Scoobys. Having one myself, a UK STI (Along with a CTR). Just saying there is a place for all types of car and it is just about finding one that suits your style of driving.
18 October 2005, 11:05 PM
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well ive had a civic vti and do know how vtecs feels
im not slating the s2000 just that my car was in no condition to race the s2000 he was by himself and it was hot that day about 24 degrees
oh and if you ever need a honda technician my friend works for honda in catford london!
im not slating the s2000 just that my car was in no condition to race the s2000 he was by himself and it was hot that day about 24 degrees
oh and if you ever need a honda technician my friend works for honda in catford london!
18 October 2005, 11:41 PM
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24 degrees and he didn't have the roof down - in that case he is a poofy buisnessman that bought the S2000 because it won the JD Power survey and looks 'nifty'. Clearly he didn't realise that it had 2000rpm to go 
A real man would have kept up
A real man would have kept up
19 October 2005, 12:07 AM
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Burning, spanking - is this S&M2000?
Anyway - I'd say there are a lot of S2000 drivers who don't drop a gear or redline it when they 'should' - The car needs lots of revs to get the best whereas the scooby had plenty of torque to see it through as long as it's on boost.
We are talking about both cars going 100% but I bet the scoob is faster when both drivers are going at 90% which is more likely in normal driving - if you get my drift.
PS - woman S2000 owners still get the same power output I think
Anyway - I'd say there are a lot of S2000 drivers who don't drop a gear or redline it when they 'should' - The car needs lots of revs to get the best whereas the scooby had plenty of torque to see it through as long as it's on boost.
We are talking about both cars going 100% but I bet the scoob is faster when both drivers are going at 90% which is more likely in normal driving - if you get my drift.
PS - woman S2000 owners still get the same power output I think
19 October 2005, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
How many times must I tell you this. When we raced I was running my induction kit! I did a before and after video with my induction kit vs standard on the same road, in the same ambient conditions with the same weight in the car and the standard car was clearly 1.5s faster from 30-100mph. I posted the video on S2ki - everyone agreed the induction kit robbed power. I was also running two up and you were on your own and in a modified clio.
My car is significantly faster and is soon to have a full decat exhaust which starts to close the mod gap with your car. I can assure you from 30-140mph my My99 with 275bhp at 1240kg would NOT leave my s2000. Now correct me if I'm wrong but the P1 has 276bhp and weighs around 1260kg so how is it going to be THAT must faster than my old scooby? It has a slightly different final drive but that is it! 13.401 @ 103mph - please find me standard P1s at crail posting noticeably faster than that.
Also at an Aberdeen meet I raced two up with my weekend luggage a full decat P1 that was spitting flames and he only pulled about one car length on my MY99 from 20-silly! I know he was trying because we were at a bloody meet and talked about it afterwards. If pauls car is nailing your cup after 70mph then it would be setting terminals of around 106-108mph (on the basis of your 101 terminal) - show me any standard P1 thats doing that!
My car is significantly faster and is soon to have a full decat exhaust which starts to close the mod gap with your car. I can assure you from 30-140mph my My99 with 275bhp at 1240kg would NOT leave my s2000. Now correct me if I'm wrong but the P1 has 276bhp and weighs around 1260kg so how is it going to be THAT must faster than my old scooby? It has a slightly different final drive but that is it! 13.401 @ 103mph - please find me standard P1s at crail posting noticeably faster than that.
Also at an Aberdeen meet I raced two up with my weekend luggage a full decat P1 that was spitting flames and he only pulled about one car length on my MY99 from 20-silly! I know he was trying because we were at a bloody meet and talked about it afterwards. If pauls car is nailing your cup after 70mph then it would be setting terminals of around 106-108mph (on the basis of your 101 terminal) - show me any standard P1 thats doing that!
19 October 2005, 08:14 PM
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Then your brother is pulling your leg and his P1 is chipped. I've been in two of them, raced plenty of them in my scooby. I know what a P1 can do. 99mph trap speeds - that 1mph counts
Again I come back to the fact that if you are being left Pauls P1 must be pulling away from you at least at light jogging pace - say 6mph. If he's doing that to your cup at 80mph and your cup is trapping at 101mph then the P1 must be trapping at 107mph minimum. Aye.............right! Show me ANY P1 in the country trapping like that at standard.
Again I come back to the fact that if you are being left Pauls P1 must be pulling away from you at least at light jogging pace - say 6mph. If he's doing that to your cup at 80mph and your cup is trapping at 101mph then the P1 must be trapping at 107mph minimum. Aye.............right! Show me ANY P1 in the country trapping like that at standard.
19 October 2005, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
Then your brother is pulling your leg and his P1 is chipped. I've been in two of them, raced plenty of them in my scooby. I know what a P1 can do. 99mph trap speeds - that 1mph counts
Again I come back to the fact that if you are being left Pauls P1 must be pulling away from you at least at light jogging pace - say 6mph. If he's doing that to your cup at 80mph and your cup is trapping at 101mph then the P1 must be trapping at 107mph minimum. Aye.............right! Show me ANY P1 in the country trapping like that at standard.
Again I come back to the fact that if you are being left Pauls P1 must be pulling away from you at least at light jogging pace - say 6mph. If he's doing that to your cup at 80mph and your cup is trapping at 101mph then the P1 must be trapping at 107mph minimum. Aye.............right! Show me ANY P1 in the country trapping like that at standard.
19 October 2005, 08:55 PM
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Why do you insist on this same conversation every week! Last night I was in my mates 390bhp rx7 which overall cost only a little more than you car - if I wanted to rip you little clio I could buy a car that would. My exhaust will be with me soon then we can have a rematch Please let me post about clios/p1s/s2000s in peace
Talk of going to crail in mid-nov if you fancy it btw
Please let me post about clios/p1s/s2000s in peace Talk of going to crail in mid-nov if you fancy it btw
19 October 2005, 09:01 PM
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Frazer, with all due respect what does it matter if there is a 10th of a second over a particular 1/4 mile time? Surely both the Scooby and S2000 are about driving point to point and the pleasure you can get from 'Driving' the cars not pushing the go peddal and holding it in a straight line...hell my gran could do that . Also I have seen cars vary over the 1/4 from one weekend to the next just because of a few degrees of temperature, what pressure the tyres had and whether or not the track has just been prepped for the 'big boys' . So it boils down to is a car quicker because it had a good day down the pod, or is it about what it can do in the real world on any given day....and does it, in the end really matter....as long as it gives you a smile.
(Oh btw, I think it does matter , having said all that above. I am shallow like that. Otherwise I would not have spent 8k on my CTR making it go a 'tad' quicker). Just wish sometimes on those hot summer days I could flip the roof down. Or it had AWD in the wet...dang, we are never happy are we.
. Also I have seen cars vary over the 1/4 from one weekend to the next just because of a few degrees of temperature, what pressure the tyres had and whether or not the track has just been prepped for the 'big boys' . So it boils down to is a car quicker because it had a good day down the pod, or is it about what it can do in the real world on any given day....and does it, in the end really matter....as long as it gives you a smile.(Oh btw, I think it does matter , having said all that above. I am shallow like that. Otherwise I would not have spent 8k on my CTR making it go a 'tad' quicker). Just wish sometimes on those hot summer days I could flip the roof down. Or it had AWD in the wet...dang, we are never happy are we.
19 October 2005, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
Why do you insist on this same conversation every week! Last night I was in my mates 390bhp rx7 which overall cost only a little more than you car - if I wanted to rip you little clio I could buy a car that would. My exhaust will be with me soon then we can have a rematch Please let me post about clios/p1s/s2000s in peace
Talk of going to crail in mid-nov if you fancy it btw
Please let me post about clios/p1s/s2000s in peace Talk of going to crail in mid-nov if you fancy it btw
Will be at Crail after the new year when all the mods are on.
20 October 2005, 12:30 AM
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Good grief!!!
All I can say is : "You'll all grow up and grow out of this malarky soon"
No matter what happens, there will always be something quicker/faster/newer/better/older/modded/flasher etc. Who gives a .....
All I can say is : "You'll all grow up and grow out of this malarky soon"
No matter what happens, there will always be something quicker/faster/newer/better/older/modded/flasher etc. Who gives a .....
20 October 2005, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
Nah, I'm terminal petrol-head! In 40 years I'll be moaning about my hydrogen engined Evo -37 FQ 600 being 0.25s off the pace.
20 October 2005, 01:21 PM
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i once saw an s2ooo trying to do 0-60 ,,his best time was barely under 7 seconds.
Am i right in thinking your saying a P1 only does 99mph up the strip at pod!!!!
i did a 99.2 mph run last saturday in my nasp MG ZS and that was with a 2.5 60 ft,,track was crap,,too cold.
Am i right in thinking your saying a P1 only does 99mph up the strip at pod!!!!
i did a 99.2 mph run last saturday in my nasp MG ZS and that was with a 2.5 60 ft,,track was crap,,too cold.
20 October 2005, 06:05 PM
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No a P1 will do about 103-4mph at trap with a time of 13.2-4s which would equate nicely with its 0-100mph time of 12.5s.
S2000s trap at between 98-101mph out the box but with most of there ability being beyond the 60mph mark. By Frazers logic his brothers P1 should be trapping at a significantly higher speed than his 101mph clio. As I said he said he gets left after 70mph and to leave a car you have to be doing at least 7mph faster so his bro's P1 would trap around 108mph. Doubtful. Any standard P1 owner please prove me wrong.
S2000s trap at between 98-101mph out the box but with most of there ability being beyond the 60mph mark. By Frazers logic his brothers P1 should be trapping at a significantly higher speed than his 101mph clio. As I said he said he gets left after 70mph and to leave a car you have to be doing at least 7mph faster so his bro's P1 would trap around 108mph. Doubtful. Any standard P1 owner please prove me wrong.
20 October 2005, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
Last night I was in my mates 390bhp rx7
Just I don't know of any RX-7s in Scotland running this sort of power. There is a silver bling one in Aberdeen that is running a chunk over 300 (my guestimate after seeing it 1/4 mile) as is Donatos (and a blue one I don't know the owner of), and there are a few in the 300 range, but other than my self destructing one I don't know of any others safely over 350bhp.
20 October 2005, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
No a P1 will do about 103-4mph at trap with a time of 13.2-4s which would equate nicely with its 0-100mph time of 12.5s.
S2000s trap at between 98-101mph out the box but with most of there ability being beyond the 60mph mark. By Frazers logic his brothers P1 should be trapping at a significantly higher speed than his 101mph clio. As I said he said he gets left after 70mph and to leave a car you have to be doing at least 7mph faster so his bro's P1 would trap around 108mph. Doubtful. Any standard P1 owner please prove me wrong.
S2000s trap at between 98-101mph out the box but with most of there ability being beyond the 60mph mark. By Frazers logic his brothers P1 should be trapping at a significantly higher speed than his 101mph clio. As I said he said he gets left after 70mph and to leave a car you have to be doing at least 7mph faster so his bro's P1 would trap around 108mph. Doubtful. Any standard P1 owner please prove me wrong.
21 October 2005, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
No a P1 will do about 103-4mph at trap with a time of 13.2-4s which would equate nicely with its 0-100mph time of 12.5s.
S2000s trap at between 98-101mph out the box but with most of there ability being beyond the 60mph mark. By Frazers logic his brothers P1 should be trapping at a significantly higher speed than his 101mph clio. As I said he said he gets left after 70mph and to leave a car you have to be doing at least 7mph faster so his bro's P1 would trap around 108mph. Doubtful. Any standard P1 owner please prove me wrong.
S2000s trap at between 98-101mph out the box but with most of there ability being beyond the 60mph mark. By Frazers logic his brothers P1 should be trapping at a significantly higher speed than his 101mph clio. As I said he said he gets left after 70mph and to leave a car you have to be doing at least 7mph faster so his bro's P1 would trap around 108mph. Doubtful. Any standard P1 owner please prove me wrong.
Plus how many P1s are actually standard anymore?
21 October 2005, 04:32 PM
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Figures from Lets torque bhp.com
BHP/Ton 0-60 0-100 60-100 1/4 Mile Term Speed 1/4 Mile TermSpeed
P1
219.69 4.60 12.32 7.72 13.32 103.99 12.92 107.37
s2000
191.11 5.71 14.44 8.73 14.07 98.72 13.97 99.85
Not concerned really which is fastest horses for courses but that terminal and 60-100 time seems to say p1 all the way
BHP/Ton 0-60 0-100 60-100 1/4 Mile Term Speed 1/4 Mile TermSpeed
P1
219.69 4.60 12.32 7.72 13.32 103.99 12.92 107.37
s2000
191.11 5.71 14.44 8.73 14.07 98.72 13.97 99.85
Not concerned really which is fastest horses for courses but that terminal and 60-100 time seems to say p1 all the way
21 October 2005, 05:18 PM
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Held off an Evo today and he was trying. He was slowly pulling me in but I was a little tentative in 3rd-4th gear change as it was wet and an aggressive change could light the rear. Would have liked a dry run so we could have both gone hell for leather.
I've never said the S2000 was faster, just that a P1 on the roll isn't going to get away more than a few feet IMHO based on owning an S2000, owning a 275bhp 1250kg impreza, being in a P1, racing several P1s, reviewing P1 1/4er miles times, racing its nemasis (evo 6) in the S2000 and so on and so forth. Can we please just drop the P1 vs Honda debate as its putting many to sleep and is pointless since only chavs drive P1s anyway
Don't know, don't know and don't know He only just got it back on the road last friday. He got a massive turbo and massive intercooler for it and fitted it all himself. It has some apexi gear in it and he had it remapped last week. He was talking about boost and I'm sure he said it was running 1.1-bar - I have no idea if that is good, bad or indifferent on a rx7. He got it RR'd after the mapping in england somewhere and it made 390bhp which he was a little dissapointed with as he had hoped expected 450bhp with his mods. When we were out he was very careful about unleashing her until he got used to her and satisfied himself it was running correctly - expect to see it at crail soon
I've never said the S2000 was faster, just that a P1 on the roll isn't going to get away more than a few feet IMHO based on owning an S2000, owning a 275bhp 1250kg impreza, being in a P1, racing several P1s, reviewing P1 1/4er miles times, racing its nemasis (evo 6) in the S2000 and so on and so forth. Can we please just drop the P1 vs Honda debate as its putting many to sleep and is pointless since only chavs drive P1s anyway
Which RX-7 is this Kenny? and what mods (ie turbo) is it running for 390bhp? and where has this power been proven?
Just I don't know of any RX-7s in Scotland running this sort of power. There is a silver bling one in Aberdeen that is running a chunk over 300 (my guestimate after seeing it 1/4 mile) as is Donatos (and a blue one I don't know the owner of), and there are a few in the 300 range, but other than my self destructing one I don't know of any others safely over 350bhp.
Just I don't know of any RX-7s in Scotland running this sort of power. There is a silver bling one in Aberdeen that is running a chunk over 300 (my guestimate after seeing it 1/4 mile) as is Donatos (and a blue one I don't know the owner of), and there are a few in the 300 range, but other than my self destructing one I don't know of any others safely over 350bhp.
He only just got it back on the road last friday. He got a massive turbo and massive intercooler for it and fitted it all himself. It has some apexi gear in it and he had it remapped last week. He was talking about boost and I'm sure he said it was running 1.1-bar - I have no idea if that is good, bad or indifferent on a rx7. He got it RR'd after the mapping in england somewhere and it made 390bhp which he was a little dissapointed with as he had hoped expected 450bhp with his mods. When we were out he was very careful about unleashing her until he got used to her and satisfied himself it was running correctly - expect to see it at crail soon
21 October 2005, 06:37 PM
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Saxo boy listen to me, I shall say this only once (hehe) My car is faster than yours and my car gets left above 70 by my bros P1 (only mod is the different uprated P1 back box)