ajm

Here's one that needs to go:

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news?id=9650

Dracoro

It's astonishing the amount of ignorance, xenophobia and racism in this thread.

Don't forget that EVERY ONE OF YOU are descended from immigrants.

Andrew Dixon

Watch out .. the Scoobynet neanderthals are out in force today!

AlfasudQV

Ho Ho Ho LOL etc...... Agree with you FatherPierre, but can spot a GUARDIAN reader a mile off. Better start considering that famous Citroen Boxer engine

CyprusScooby

Its a shocking state off affairs when we can't get a house cause they get allocated to the immigrants!!!!!

It happened back home where I'm from. All these new houses were built and the local people queded up to put there names down. When the houses were allocated the local people found out they couldn't get one, as they had been alloctaed to immigrants that had just arrived in the UK from Poland and Africa!!!!!!!!

Makes you sick when you pay your taxes.!

I have also had the misfortune to have been operated on my an immigrant doctor (in an NHS hospital!) from a third world who was, to say, the least Sh*te and very poorly trained!

Stueyb

What I fear may happen is that unscrupulous people such as that wierd chinese woman we discussed yesterday who made a 3 bedroomed house into a 10 bedroomed house. Don't be fooled, people will take them because they will be cheaper (not cheap) to rent and be more affordable to immigrants, legal and otherwise. This could then cause the creation of modern day slums and "ghettoisation" for want of a better term and lead to racial segrigation and resentment by them and of them. This would in turn cause property prices near by to be affected and the people that would probabily buy would be unscrupulous landlords as we just discussed, hence increasing the problem. Also a lot of the immigrants wont speak english, yet another problem.

My personal opinion is that we should really call time on unlimited imigration because it will begin to have an adverse effect on the economy on the macro and micro level because a) they are cheap to employee (both legally and illegally) and b) I suspect an awful lot of the money would go back to russia, poland etc etc.

You can virtually gaurentee that the family will be moved over here and the NHS used by non tax payers (ie extended family and such)

I have no problem with them coming over here but I dont think they should be entitled to council houses or government assistance (and if they bitch about food coupons etc - easy answer, dont give them ANYTHING. That will soon sort em out). It may sound racists but we should put the people in our own country first.

SJ_Skyline

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Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

Moose and Deep - You are both names that pop up in one of these threads to go against the general consensus of opinion, which is fine, but do either of you actually want to address any of the points brought up?

If you want to make a case for the 'defence' (lets say) lets hear it

scoobfan

i have to agree, we need to tighten up our policy.

We here talk of Spain/France/Australia taking these people in,
for **** sake look at the size of these countries.

Britain is tiny in comparison and already over poulated.

Rob

RedFive

You refer to people as bacteria (amongst others) and then you want a serious conversation ?

The only answer you'd get from me is a lawsuit.

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

Redfive, that is what we call an analogy. No-one has been called bacteria, and the lawsuit is for ?????

unclebuck

It's not possible to have a sensible debate on this subject. That's why the situation is out of control.

The PC mob will always play the race card. It's the only response they have.

scoobfan

[QUOTE=unclebuck]It's not possible to have a sensible debate on this subject. That's why the situation is out of control.

The PC mob will always play the race card. It's the only response they have.[/QUOTE]

Exactly !!

Rob

the moose

There's no need to defend my point of view to a forum of people who clearly have the collective brain cells of a bumble bee, but let me just state why most of you are missing the point.

1 The immigration you mention is based on ALL immigrants. That includes 90,000 British citizens returning from living abroad.

2 The NET immigration (i.e. how many came in versus how many went out) was 223,000. That includes the 90,000 above.

3 The figures show how many people ENTER the country, but not whether they stay. Many stay for a bit, then leave. The grass isn't always greener, and the costs of living here often shock migrants.

4 The ONLY reason people are here is because of work. I know a lot of immigrants - Czechs, Hungarians and Russians mainly - and to a person they work. They have to - they don't get benefits. There are jobs they are prepared to do - cleaning, bar work, construction - which nobody in Britain is prepared to. Which is what's happened in Britain all through the ages.

5 The immigrants are usually young, whereas the population in the UK is ageing. A good idea, don't you think, to have a pool of labour which is well-skilled (I know personally of several degree-qualified people working in burger bars, because it's all they can get) and prepared to work & pay taxes to support our country.


But you'll not want to hear any of the above, because all immigrants are illegal, want to blow us up, scrounge off the state, they smell of curry, and should just sod off to their own country. And they'll nick our jobs, screw our women, and if it wasn't for them Britain would be Great again.

http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

Brit_in_Japan

I currently live in Japan, but I intend to return to the UK, so your first comment is fatuous.

For sure there will always be some people who abuse the system to their benefit, but to damn every immigrant because of a small minority is just plain wrong. Do you have any facts which backup your assertion that economic migrants are scrounging off benefits? Radical step I know asking for facts on SN. Perhaps you know of some report which contradicts this report from Unison http://www.unison.org.uk/features/fe...8frontiers.asp ? Did you know that nearly 50% of the nurses in London came here are migrants? Or that about 70% of catering workers in London came here as migrants? Presumably you think they should be sent home as scroungers.

You want to stop all immigration? You're in a dream world.
1. There is free movement of labour within the EU. This means that labour can move to wherever there are jobs within member countries. At the moment people are coming here from Poland, the Baltic states etc because our economy is stronger than other countries. Germany and France have double digit unemployment rates, so not particularly attractive right now. If our economy goes into recession then we have the right to move anywhere in the EU where we can get a job.

2. We have agreements with Commonwealth countries which permit immigration and allow them to work. Do you want to stop Australians, Canadians etc coming here to work on their gap year? Or is it just citizens from poorer Commonwealth countries?

Outside of the EU and the Commonwealth we should have a system based on filling needs in the job market. We should have control of our borders. But immigration is good for the UK economy. Sorry of that doesn't fit in with your pre-conceived ideas.

Maybe if you spent some time living and working in another country your views would change a little. As a resident in Japan I am trying to learn Japanese, but it isn't easy. I'm sure that some immigrants to the UK struggle to learn Engish despite their best efforts. Let me ask you Robbie T, how many other languages do you speak fluently?

Whilst I have to adapt a certain amount to try and fit in here, even if I stayed here the rest of my life I would never adapt 100% to Japanese culture. Presumably if you were Japanese then I would be deported as I wasn't sufficiently integrated?

Whilst usually polite and friendly, there is definitely an xenophobic trait in the Japanese. Gaijin (people from other places) are sometimes not admitted to some restaurants and clubs simply because they are not Japanese. On trains you can sometimes find yourself sitting with a space either side of you, the only seats not taken on the train. The Japanese police have been known to "blame the gaijin" despite facts to the contrary. Presumably you believe this is fair as we shouldn't "bit the hand that feeds".

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

It strikes me as odd that you would want to associate yourself with these people then, maybe you should mix with more intelligent people somewhere else.

I have a couple of very striking examples i will share with you :

Abu Hamza
Mohammed Bakri
Both living (until recently) off benefit in the UK whilst preaching deeply disgusting, hate ridden, anti west bull**** (for want of a better word!).
Treason with the death penalty should have been brought back for these *****.

Quite obviously you missed the point here, these people are WORKING. As long as they are living within our laws etc i don't see a problem.

You'll be pleased to know i am fluent in French, Spanish and Italian (well i know swear words). Irrelevant really because i'm fluent in the language of the country in which i live. This annoys me also when i see those fcukin daft manc (for example ) couples in their 40's on the TV who move to the Costa Del Rodney and can't speak a word of the language and expect to "start a new life there"

They certainly are and they are here to work, probably due to the fact that the average wage in Poland is £3500 a year.
Doing 'menial' jobs in this country earns them a comparatively good wage than back at home. Unfortunately a large percentage of the money earnt is taken back with them when they return to their own country 6 months or a year later (which is very common), so little is put back into our econmy.

AsifScoob

I never cease to be amazed by the number of ignorant thickos on here.

Why bother typing an intelligent, lengthy, response, when all they do is type one line from the Daily Mail? Or from their 'really clever' conversation from the other night down the Dog & Duck.

Its quite simple, if the native, white population had simply had more kids over the last 50 years or so, there would never have been mass immigration into this country.

It would never have been allowed.

But no you want your nice, small, nuclear family and an improved standard of living, so only have one or two kids. Result is not enough people to fill in the jobs of a growing economy, ergo, immigration.

Can't be arsed to type more detail, but thats it in a nutshell, you only have yourselves to blame.

Bad luck!

Asif

PS see you in a couple of weeks, Im off on my hols. No doubt the thickos will start a few more threads about race in the meantime. Its like the same silly plot lines on Eastenders, that keep coming round again and again!

scoobfan

The sort of response i would expact from your type

Rob

Brit_in_Japan

Omar Bakri Muhammad was granted political assylum. That's a whole different debate to economic migrants. Let's not confuse the two subjects, this thread was about migration, not assylum.

Abu Hamza came to the UK as a student and subsequently married a woman with a British passport. He was then given indefinite leave to remain in the UK. He was claiming benefits, including incapacity and severe incapacity benefit, but surely you're not suggesting he is typical of economic migrants to this country?

Rather than quote names from the tabloid' "love to hate" list, do you have any evidence of widespread abuse of the benefits system by economic migrants? There are plenty of British people abusing the system, so let us not throw stones eh?

But so long as they are legal economic migrants they will pay taxes and national insurance and they will spend money on food, services, travel and other goods, much of which will be liable to VAT. Whether they choose to send any savings after that back to their own country is irrelevant, it's no different to someone who would choose to put that money into a savings account.

I've sent money back from Japan to pay off part of my mortgage. I don't see that it's any business of the Japanese what I do with my money.

Edited to add: Migrants also contribute to the economy because they are doing a job that someone wants to pay for.

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

Not confused subjects, i mentioned assylum in one of my first post in this thread. No harm in stretching the area of discussion anyway.

I agree and they need to be dropped into the english channel, if you CAN'T work then fair enough but not if you're a lazy ***** on the take when you are quite able to.

Ok bye Asif, if you choose to stay wherever you're going i won't lose any sleep

Deep Singh

For all those who point the finger at immigrants, the finger could also be pointed at you. For example I use private healthcare, schools, have my own personal pension, sickness benefit etc. I rely on the state very little either now or when I'll be sick and infirm. Why should I pay 40% tax to send your children to school, look after you in the NHS and when you have no money at age 65 and are in a home. As far as I am concerned you could be classified as leeches also.

Just look in the mirror for a second. Why am I shelling out 10s of 1000s of £ of tax money every year to give you and your families state healthcare/schooling etc.

It may disturb you to know that high earners(of all colours) may look down on you in the same way as you look down on immigrants. I find that quite funny

Petem95

I think the problem with threads like this is pro-immigration people (ie Asifscoob, Moose), seem to make the assumption that everyone else is saying immigration should stop has no benefit at all etc - but its not immigration thats wrong, its the scale of it.

I know immigrants are needed, but it is taking the **** now. The system hardly puts potential immigrants off either does it - you get to this country, apply for asylum, and if you actually get the application turned down you simply appeal (all at the expense of the British taxpayer )

Just look at whats happened to those suspected terrorists this week - government says they are to be deported. They appeal using tax payers money, and the ******* (at least most of them) are allowed to stay

Yes we need immigrants, but on a FAR lower scale, and skilled ones, not all from developing countries. The UK isnt run as a charity

Petem95

Very true, but hard working couples cant afford to have kids. Theyre taxed to death, trying to save for a house etc.

The ones that have kids are immigrant families and scroungers who muliply like rabbits because to them its a benefit. More kids, more income through state handouts.

The system is SO WRONG

AlfasudQV

Why am I shelling out 10s of 1000s of £ of tax money every year to give you and your families state healthcare/schooling etc.



Because you choose to contribute to our Eutopian UK society Comrade. You do this because you love your brother and you feel bad if his luck is not as good as yours, or you wish him well if his health is not as strong as yours. You wish it that his children should be educated, articulate and beautiful like your own, You take comfort knowing this, that should you have difficulty in life, your brother will come to your assistance and ease your mind.
All of the above happens because you are a rounded and caring indvidual that loves his neighbour and the wise governance of the truly democratic system that he undertakes his daily toil for.
Just like the P.C Lefties and the British Bulldog Biggots you love your fellow man and his family. This is why you pay your taxes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL............................................... ..........
Dont worry Mate, the same bollocks applies to the P.C Lefties and the 'True Brits' (The star/Mail readers) I wasnt just picking on you, just wanted another go on this impossible to resolve thread. There comes a point where you just start chucking the **** because everybody else is

Petem95

I can never quite understand why the PC-brigade always single out the Daily Mail as being an anti-immigrant paper more than others - from what Ive read they cover stories much in the same was other tabloids such as the Express etc.

The only difference I think is theyre just often quite patriotic which is nowerdays seen as being racist/un-PC I guess

The Star tho I do agree is very anti-immigrant, but it is bought by builders etc so agrees with their views! Headlines in that are often along the lines of "******* muslims are at it again - deport the *******"!!!

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Just a couple of simple questions...

When did the economy, which seems to be the justification for mass immigration, become more important than everything else about a country?

Forgetting the economy for a minute. We are told to celebrate multi-culturalism. What should we be celebrating exactly?

AlfasudQV

Come of it, The mail is to 'Jingoism' what the Guardian is to the 'tree huggers'. I should know what a tree hugger is, I own an alfasud, It never goes anywhere and biodegrades on exposure to fog. Qualifies me perfectly.

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

your not the only person to pay high tax/pension and private health care etc the main concern is about the migration of imagrants that leech off the government and have no contribution !!! which is considerably higher than any that will contribute by paying 40% tax and just because you have chosen to take out all your private schemes out there is no reason to look down on anyone

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

There is an argument that multi-culturalism simply doesn't work. People are tribal in nature and while animalistic instincts can be caged in institution, such as through education and so on, they are always within us. In many cases over history, multi-cultural societies have ended up in conflict. If millions of immigrants continue to settle in this country, who have radically differing views and values to the establish indigineous people, is there not the possibility that we may one day have conflict? Do you think we can learn anything from what is happening in Denmark? If the economy were to collapse or go into serious recession, would this change anything?

GC8

You wouldnt know that this wa sa democracy would you? People are quite at liberty to oppose free immigration without being pilloried ffs.

Net immigration of over half a million people is unsustainable, now matter if all of these peopel were decent, worthwhile and made a reasonable contribution.

Simon