Leslie

Looks like BigMan should poke his head in the sand then.

Petem95 can certainly see the hidden agenda for the trees.

Les

TheBigMan

Perhaps, though I really wish that I didn't have to.

gsm1

No, they're now reporting (as a result of this incident) that a rumour has been going about of an attack.
Why should it be obvious that it's going to 'spark flares'? Crime goes on all the time between people who happen to be from different races. Someone stirred this sh*t up.

Yea, I suspect the kid with the hood pointing the gun is just your average bloke and the 5 guys with hoods were obviously so upset that they rushed into a takeaway, jumped the counter and stole the till - something they've never done before but all as a result of their anger?

The Premier League might have cleaned up it's act but try some of the first division games and lower leagues.

davegtt

Yeah the stirrers were the people who was rioting, newspapers and press didnt stir it...

did you read my post before replying? guess not, I said the average troublemaker..... not the average person....

LOL.. if you say so, the lower leagues never see any trouble unless its a big derby match (or its Cardiff City/Millwall which I also believe to be not too bad atm) I should know as I attend alot of lower league games (Im a premiersh!te hater) Where do you get your information from? Suppose you believe the whole amount of english football fans are bruisers looking for a fight.... Stereotypical rubbish. I suggest you talk a walk in the real life and read other posts properly

gsm1

I've seen it with my own eyes. People getting their heads kicked in and coppers rushing about with vans lining people up and pulling out the video cameras. I never said the majority of english football fans are bruisers but arseholes exist.
I didn't just refer to football matches. The main point was that trouble occurs in this country all the time between arseholes and the police yet some here use the events in Birmingham as another excuse to blame 'darkies' for all the ills in the UK.

Robbie T

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After watching the reports on the news tonight about all this, it really concerns me big time. The footage of the massive groups of asian youths stood around in hoods hurling abuse at basically anyone is a horrible and terrifying prospect.
The reason i say this is for more than the obvious reasons, i live in a town with a large asian community and this puts nasty images into my mind of my own town.

A while back an asian taxi driver (as they all are) got beaten up, i was driving into the the town centre to be confronted by literally hundreds of asian men ganged up. It passed mostly without incident but could have been so much worse (see case in point).

Sadly they are trouble makers and this has all come about due to years of loose immigration control, unfortunately those in power only see these things happening on the TV and have never actually live amongst it. Doesn't seem too bad to them

P.S Those on the aprilla forum really need some lessons in spelling, punctuation and grammer

P.P.S I'm moving to Wales!

gsm1

Why, you never seen white or black youths hurling abuse at anyone?

Yeah, and? WTF kind of point are you making?

Who is they?

It's spelled 'grammar'. Try learning to spell before you preach to others.

Go on then.

davegtt

Whos crawled up your ***? Im sorry but this isnt just a small group of people fighting with each other or hurling abuse. Its a large group of people of opposing religion/colour/backgrounds fighting, burning cars and ruining the streets of England. Why are you getting all defensive about it? Nobody is being racist in this thread yet I feel your trying to drag words out....

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

GSM1 - I'm really warming to you, bless ya little cottons!

I think my point is quite clear but i'll highlight it for clarity : It passed mostly without incident but could have been so much worse (see case in point).

They is them, probably you

I will apologise for the spelling though very slap dash of me, nowhere near as bad as those on the aprilla forum though so i still can hold the moral high ground if i choose

Dave - Well said

RichWalk

Rather a sweeping statement, and for your info, the guys I know from overseas who live in Brum, to a man, say its the most integrated large city they have ever lived in.

Leslie

I agree with that Big Man.

Les

turboman786

It would be interesting to know the ethnicity of the 2nd murdered man.....the press are staying quiet, probably for obvious reasons....

I was watching a BBC report saying that the black community feel sidelined at the fact th Asians own almost all the poerties and businesses in that area...which is true....but shouldnt the black community therefore try to do the same rather than getting all wound up about it..?............if asians sit on the dole, they get (rightly) criticised, but I dont get how anyone can criticise the legitimate business enterprise of a sector of society....anyway, maybe Im going off on a tangent!

Duck_Pond

Parts of it are, but the majority of it isn't. People see Brum as a concrete mess, after seeing a few pics of Spaghetti Junction. A lot of it is leafy suburbia, and isn't bad at all. Certainly no worse than other cities in the UK.

ALi-B

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Even if it is off such a tangent, there is underlying problems caused by this. And sketching over this complex issue: Once a particular community has gained a foothold in a certain sector they keep their earnings and ependiture within within their own groups. In other words only they benefit, and everyone outside loses out, even the government in certain instances as not everything is a legitmate as it is made out to be Thus creating the "them and us" situations that are so commonly seen. Along with the increasing wealth and business dominance becomes louder voices and power for local governments to bow to their "minority" wishes, further widening the gaps that already lies in the claimed intergrated community.

gsm1

If I said white people can't be trusted and they are all trouble makers you'd be pretty pissed off as well. But this happens all the time on SN, one way traffic - casual racist posts all the time and if anyone dares post back you think there must be something wrong with them. I normally just knock it on the head but I chose not to last night.
If you can't see that Robbie T's post was a load of racist generalising sh*t then you obviously didn't read it properly.

davegtt

Just for you... Ive re-read his post and I wouldnt say it was Racist in anyway, yes hes mentioned a group of Asian youths but hes not exactly said anything along the lines of hating them etc... He has a point. we dont live in a multicultural society IMO... we live in a society where one half of a city is dominated by Asians/Blacks etc and the other is dominated by Whites.... thats not intergrating (not blaming anyone in this post saying what I see) Think about it, pick a city and you'll find areas of just one culture not every door you knock on has a different race behind it. Why do we live like that? because there are under lying problems IMO

TheBigMan

Here's a question :

Nobody should act in an anti-social manner - however, have non-white non-Brits got "less of a right" to act in this manner in this country??

davyboy

Someone once said to me.......wheres theres trouble, you'll find muslims...innit.

Of course you could find trouble with any groups, but this does ring true pretty frequently.

[not tying to start a race hate thread here]

TheBigMan

Scoobynet post "Hall Of Fame" prize winner.

PMSL. "In (n) it".

davegtt

I'm not sure if thats a general question to SN or not but hey I'll have a go at answering it with my 2p lol

Im dont think they have a less of a right, suppose it depends what they are behaving like that for.... in most cases its down to tension between opposing groups. Look at the Oldham/Bradford/Burnley riots a few years back. Stamping authority on "their area" and wanting to feel safe in their environment. If for example a group of 10 white lads were walking around an asain area it can easily be seen as looking for trouble and before you know it you have a I have more friends that you type squabble and tadaaa you have a mini riot on your hands.

Protesting about something is different though as in Robbie T's post. If it passed with incident then it was obviously some kind of protest rather than looking for trouble riot. You have to remember that these riots in Birmingham were by say a couple of hundred people that was in an area covering a couple of thousand easily.... Most of them are just joining in for something to do and cause a little more trouble. These are the gits that are segregating our society, been waiting for something to kick off for ages.

In a way these riots are funny because in the PC world its whites who are seen as racist (go on someone pick up on that and have a go at me ) . Yet the riots had nothing to do with the white community but theres no way you can deny that the riots dont involve anything to do with race (obviously its supposedly started because of this rape so its down to 2 communities but the scale of the fights are showing people standing up/protecting others in their community/race). Youve never seen a riot between 2 different groups of Asains, or 2 different groups of whites or 2 different groups of Blacks (well you might have but not on these scales) Not sure what my point is now....lol but theres defintely a point in there somewhere

TheBigMan

Areas of different ethnic groups, namely blacks and/or Asians equate to areas of higher crime.

Now, am I racist or simply stating a fact......??

davegtt

Just say what you mean BigMan, you racist git lol

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

Racist no, generalising possibly. What do you suggest i do, name all the individuals i've come across that fit the bill

Not quite mate, ill clarify a little.
I was driving through the town centre with two passengers (all white), when i came across this massive mob of asians blocking the road with cars and all standing around with intent. As i drove into the area, some of the mob were shouting at us and the looks from others could kill. When i'd passed through one of them kicked the back of my car.
The only reason it didn't kick off too bad was because word got around quick amongst the white community to steer clear of the town.

When i said mostly without incident, i meant there wasn't large scale rioting and only a few innocent people got beaten up

TheBigMan

I think to a certain extent I am a bit racist. I mean, if I was walking up the street, and a group of 5 blokes were on the same pavement but walking towards me I'd feel more cautious if they were Asian or black than if they were white.

davegtt

Thats not racist though IMO, its being cautious of a group who you may feel a little threatened by.... Would you not feel the same if you was approaching a group of say 5 white 19yr old hoodies? worried you may be mugged for your mobile etc? Course you would....

Id be the same if I walked through my home town in certain areas Id be a little cautious of any group of lads who approached my direction. depends on the crime rate in that particular area I would have though.

At the moment I live in an area thats probably got more asylum seekers from Iraq etc than Asians... I have a good Indian friend who I play snooker/pool with on a regular basis but I dont get on with the rest of his family, in fact Id be cautious of a couple of them, doesnt make me racist.

TheBigMan

I'd be cautious of any group, just more so if the were Asian or black/coloured or whatever the "proper" term is these days.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Or it it could be your intimidated because they maybe racist and have a chip on their shoulder about it.

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

You learn from experience, you don't become inherently prejudiced towards a group of people because they are a different colour to you.
I have my opinions on certain types of people, whatever colour they may be, from what i have grown up around and experienced first hand.

J4CKO

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Trouble is, this is all playing into the hands of the Daily Mail readers.

I suspect that the tension is down to money, the Black guys see the Asian guys driving nice cars and have got jealous, nothing to do with where they came from, jealousy, pure and simple. I seem to remember that in Germany, the holocaust started for many reasons but one major one was resentment over the relative wealth and business ownership of the Jewish community.

So again, perhaps its just a greed thing, nowadays we are bombarded with images of people who have better stuff than us, nothing worse than having your nose rubbed in it and feeling hard done by. I have formed an opinion which is a very wide generalisation but British Asians seem to be more industrious than the Black British (and the White community), I know its a huge generalisation but whever I want a loaf at 2am its usually an Asian guy serving or a taxi from town, its usually an Asian bloke.

Sorry if that offends anyone, I dont intend to, thats just my impression, be it wrong or right, it seems the Asians have done better by working hard and the green eyed monster has risen its head in the Black community ?

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Same here .

Being called a 'white bast***', having your car surrounded all spitting on it right outside your house etc while your in it, hearing about people you know getting hit over the head with bricks etc, does tend to influence your thinking. Thankfully I only spent 3 years in this particularly 'multi-cultural' area before being able to move...

Saying that I still believe myself to be fairly subjective regarding the issues - I’m just realistic and certainly not naïve.