Clarkson sums up Britain wonderfully.
25 October 2005, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Holy Ghost
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spot on. we now have a "say anything, do nothing" government that is only interested in power for power's sake. it's very unhealthy. i find NL's general malaise and inactivity (except in matters of public relations) to be staggering.
by the way moose, let me pick you up on thatcher's always-deliberately-misquoted "there is no such thing as society."
thatcher actually said precisely the following:
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
basic 'O' level comprehension skills make it clear that she is referring to responsibility, self-help, self-reliance, the importance of the family and the problems that come with taking a welfare state for granted. now't wrong with that: it's common sense. she was right about this in 1987 and is still right about it today.
spot on. we now have a "say anything, do nothing" government that is only interested in power for power's sake. it's very unhealthy. i find NL's general malaise and inactivity (except in matters of public relations) to be staggering.
by the way moose, let me pick you up on thatcher's always-deliberately-misquoted "there is no such thing as society."
thatcher actually said precisely the following:
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
basic 'O' level comprehension skills make it clear that she is referring to responsibility, self-help, self-reliance, the importance of the family and the problems that come with taking a welfare state for granted. now't wrong with that: it's common sense. she was right about this in 1987 and is still right about it today.
I like that.
One couldn't say that these days though - everyone wants everything for nothing, and they're getting it. When they DON'T get something they scream victimisation using anyting they can....
"You're victimising us cos we're <insert hard done by violin story here>"
Pathetic.
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
That quote from Thatcher - "There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
I like that.
One couldn't say that these days though - everyone wants everything for nothing, and they're getting it. When they DON'T get something they scream victimisation using anyting they can....
"You're victimising us cos we're <insert hard done by violin story here>"
Pathetic.
I like that.
One couldn't say that these days though - everyone wants everything for nothing, and they're getting it. When they DON'T get something they scream victimisation using anyting they can....
"You're victimising us cos we're <insert hard done by violin story here>"
Pathetic.
You can also thank EU social policy and the Bill of Human Rights - they both specialise in the bizarre concept of rights without obligation.
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You can also thank EU social policy and the Bill of Human Rights - they both specialise in the bizarre concept of rights without obligation.
You can also thank EU social policy and the Bill of Human Rights - they both specialise in the bizarre concept of rights without obligation.
"If one infringes on an others rights, their rights are instantly pissed on, revoked and shoved up their peasant ****".
"To have rights, one must first meet an obligation". THATCHER!! What a lady.
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Rights above responsibility is the way under New Labour. You hear this constantly from both parents and their off-spring.
Even on here someone said the other day "I've paid my taxes so I can do what I like" With these kinds of attitudes prevailing it's no wonder the moral fabric of the UK is disintegrating.
Also, as HG says Blair and Co. acting as role models promotes this kind of behaviour
Even on here someone said the other day "I've paid my taxes so I can do what I like" With these kinds of attitudes prevailing it's no wonder the moral fabric of the UK is disintegrating.
Also, as HG says Blair and Co. acting as role models promotes this kind of behaviour
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I saw a good example on TV regarding the school that is sticking up for the children that do NOt want to eat Jamie Olivers diners anymore.
The pathetic Head Mistress (trying to make a name for herself) said:
"We encourage our children to have a voice and to be heard. they have opinions and rights and we treat them as such"
Errr, how about "you're a child, you eat what you are given". Safe in the knowledge that a small tantrum will only be short lived, and they won't end up being sweaty fat f$ckers.
The pathetic Head Mistress (trying to make a name for herself) said:
"We encourage our children to have a voice and to be heard. they have opinions and rights and we treat them as such"
Errr, how about "you're a child, you eat what you are given". Safe in the knowledge that a small tantrum will only be short lived, and they won't end up being sweaty fat f$ckers.
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Originally Posted by Holy Ghost
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thatcher actually said precisely the following:
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
basic 'O' level comprehension skills make it clear that she is referring to responsibility, self-help, self-reliance, the importance of the family and the problems that come with taking a welfare state for granted. now't wrong with that: it's common sense. she was right about this in 1987 and is still right about it today.
thatcher actually said precisely the following:
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
basic 'O' level comprehension skills make it clear that she is referring to responsibility, self-help, self-reliance, the importance of the family and the problems that come with taking a welfare state for granted. now't wrong with that: it's common sense. she was right about this in 1987 and is still right about it today.
It's not a million miles from what Kennedy said about "asking not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"!
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Originally Posted by Holy Ghost
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spot on. we now have a "say anything, do nothing" government that is only interested in power for power's sake. it's very unhealthy. i find NL's general malaise and inactivity (except in matters of public relations) to be staggering.
by the way moose, let me pick you up on thatcher's always-deliberately-misquoted "there is no such thing as society."
thatcher actually said precisely the following:
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
basic 'O' level comprehension skills make it clear that she is referring to responsibility, self-help, self-reliance, the importance of the family and the problems that come with taking a welfare state for granted. now't wrong with that: it's common sense. she was right about this in 1987 and is still right about it today.
spot on. we now have a "say anything, do nothing" government that is only interested in power for power's sake. it's very unhealthy. i find NL's general malaise and inactivity (except in matters of public relations) to be staggering.
by the way moose, let me pick you up on thatcher's always-deliberately-misquoted "there is no such thing as society."
thatcher actually said precisely the following:
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
basic 'O' level comprehension skills make it clear that she is referring to responsibility, self-help, self-reliance, the importance of the family and the problems that come with taking a welfare state for granted. now't wrong with that: it's common sense. she was right about this in 1987 and is still right about it today.
You might be meaning, perhaps, that I've misconstrued what she said. You might even believe that I've done it deliberately. Nevertheless, you'd be hard pushed to say that I did anything other than quote her exact words.
25 October 2005, 03:40 PM
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Well, well a car journo has managed to get many people going. He simply states the truth and like it or not we are all responsible in some way.
Bring Back Grammar School!!!!! Oh we are, thanks President Tony.
Praise be to Clarkson. He ain't some jumped up southerner either.
Good on you Jeezer!!!!!
Bring Back Grammar School!!!!! Oh we are, thanks President Tony.
Praise be to Clarkson. He ain't some jumped up southerner either.
Good on you Jeezer!!!!!
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Originally Posted by the moose
I know I may appear dim at times, but can you let me know your definition of "misquote"?
You might be meaning, perhaps, that I've misconstrued what she said. You might even believe that I've done it deliberately. Nevertheless, you'd be hard pushed to say that I did anything other than quote her exact words.
You might be meaning, perhaps, that I've misconstrued what she said. You might even believe that I've done it deliberately. Nevertheless, you'd be hard pushed to say that I did anything other than quote her exact words.
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Originally Posted by the moose
I know I may appear dim at times, but can you let me know your definition of "misquote"?
You might be meaning, perhaps, that I've misconstrued what she said. You might even believe that I've done it deliberately. Nevertheless, you'd be hard pushed to say that I did anything other than quote her exact words.
You might be meaning, perhaps, that I've misconstrued what she said. You might even believe that I've done it deliberately. Nevertheless, you'd be hard pushed to say that I did anything other than quote her exact words.
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that's easy. you misquote her because you use seven words selectively, appearing to make the point that you believe thatcher to have been a heartless and cynical leader who cared neither a jot for the individual or the community in which that individual lives.
and that is not what she meant. she said the following:
"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour."
... call me old fashioned but that conveys something totally different to what you imply she meant with your poster girl comment.
it's a bit like poster reviews for bad films: the reviewer actually wrote "don't go and see this film!" but the publicity people snip it down to "go and see this film!" and that's what appears on the poster. you see it all the time.
QED: you've misquoted because you have taken the sound-bite out of its proper context - and purported to show meaning not present in the original. without context, you can make words, like statistics, imply almost the opposite of the originator's intention.
"there's no such thing as society" is amongst thatcher's most famous sound-bites. and it is the one that is most often bandied around - maliciously - by her detractors to prove she was a heartless old bag. it proves nothing of the sort.
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Originally Posted by Holy Ghost
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spot on. we now have a "say anything, do nothing" government that is only interested in power for power's sake. it's very unhealthy. i find NL's general malaise and inactivity (except in matters of public relations) to be staggering.
by the way moose, let me pick you up on thatcher's always-deliberately-misquoted "there is no such thing as society."
thatcher actually said precisely the following:
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
basic 'O' level comprehension skills make it clear that she is referring to responsibility, self-help, self-reliance, the importance of the family and the problems that come with taking a welfare state for granted. now't wrong with that: it's common sense. she was right about this in 1987 and is still right about it today.
spot on. we now have a "say anything, do nothing" government that is only interested in power for power's sake. it's very unhealthy. i find NL's general malaise and inactivity (except in matters of public relations) to be staggering.
by the way moose, let me pick you up on thatcher's always-deliberately-misquoted "there is no such thing as society."
thatcher actually said precisely the following:
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
basic 'O' level comprehension skills make it clear that she is referring to responsibility, self-help, self-reliance, the importance of the family and the problems that come with taking a welfare state for granted. now't wrong with that: it's common sense. she was right about this in 1987 and is still right about it today.
25 October 2005, 07:08 PM
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I know I may appear dim at times, but can you let me know your definition of "misquote"?
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Also is a good piece for those on here who idolise Thatcher that like to blame the government at the time for everything. Every other moan I hear on here is the governments fault, yet theres no mention of collective responsibility or blaming of parents etc.
i think that goes for anyone who believes all our ills "are the government's fault", whatever the colour of the government of the day. we do have a collective responsibility and a major cause of social decay/intertia - along with governmental incompetence and faddish policies - is our own apathy.
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Originally Posted by the moose
Sorry, I should have posted yesterday, but I was too busy laughing at the above comment. Standards? The Conservative Party??
You voted for her, you encouraged the greed-is-good mentality ..... now live with the consequences!
You voted for her, you encouraged the greed-is-good mentality ..... now live with the consequences!
This is pretty much accurate. She was responsible for the eradication of the 'true' working class. She was responsible for the 'I must have' and 'the not in my back yard' (sorry garden, yards far too working class !!) brigade.
I remember not bothering to stay up to watch Portillo lose in 96 because the reality of the incoming 'Thatcher child' (Blair) was just too depressing to contemplate.
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That's right. The Thatcher quote was taken out of context by moose. Hence, she was misquoted.
'Ok then, I'll fetch me baseball bat...!!'
Or did I take your quote out of context?
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along with governmental incompetence and faddish policies - is our own apathy.
along with governmental incompetence and faddish policies - is our own apathy.
Or did I take your quote out of context?
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
The money is good and the proximity to Europe. I earn enough to be able to maintain a comfortable lifestyle in an area where there are no problems.
Doesn't mean that I cant complain about the people who are destroying this country.
Doesn't mean that I cant complain about the people who are destroying this country.
25 October 2005, 11:46 PM
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And I'm probably in a more frustrated and disappointed position than most of you.
My grandparents (both sets) emigrated in the 50's and 60's to NZ from the UK. Both my parents were also English, as are all my brothers and sisters. Both Grandfathers and one Grandmother decorated in WW2 (and some great grandparents decorated in WW1 and the Boer Wars)
Of course being English they socialised with other English people and I grew up in the 80's and 90's surrounded by a group of people that gave me a vision of Britain in the 1950s, 60s and to a certain degree the 70's.
As you can imagine my "vision" of England was heavily clouded and when i arrived 4 years ago and I kind of expected it to be a place full of those sort of people - hard working, decent, respectful, honest and everything else you would expect of an English person.
It sort feels like I was put in a coma in 1970 and then re-awoken in 2001. If indeed it was as my grandparents and their generation described 30 years ago then it really is heartbreaking to see what has happened to this country.
My grandfather and some of his friends are still alive. One of them was among the first army units to enter some of the German concentration camps and spent months afterwards in cleanup operations - he has never really got over the trauma of this, unimaginable to most people today, as is fighting for your country.
With men like this still alive it makes my blood boil to see half the stuff that goes on in this country today.
My grandparents (both sets) emigrated in the 50's and 60's to NZ from the UK. Both my parents were also English, as are all my brothers and sisters. Both Grandfathers and one Grandmother decorated in WW2 (and some great grandparents decorated in WW1 and the Boer Wars)
Of course being English they socialised with other English people and I grew up in the 80's and 90's surrounded by a group of people that gave me a vision of Britain in the 1950s, 60s and to a certain degree the 70's.
As you can imagine my "vision" of England was heavily clouded and when i arrived 4 years ago and I kind of expected it to be a place full of those sort of people - hard working, decent, respectful, honest and everything else you would expect of an English person.
It sort feels like I was put in a coma in 1970 and then re-awoken in 2001. If indeed it was as my grandparents and their generation described 30 years ago then it really is heartbreaking to see what has happened to this country.
My grandfather and some of his friends are still alive. One of them was among the first army units to enter some of the German concentration camps and spent months afterwards in cleanup operations - he has never really got over the trauma of this, unimaginable to most people today, as is fighting for your country.
With men like this still alive it makes my blood boil to see half the stuff that goes on in this country today.
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when does 24 hour drinking take effect? are bars that have been granted extended licenses allowed to open late from the end of october ? havent heard much about it lately
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when does 24 hour drinking take effect? are bars that have been granted extended licenses allowed to open late from the end of october ? havent heard much about it lately
ask and ye shall receive
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
As you can imagine my "vision" of England was heavily clouded and when i arrived 4 years ago and I kind of expected it to be a place full of those sort of people - hard working, decent, respectful, honest and everything else you would expect of an English person.
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
And I'm probably in a more frustrated and disappointed position than most of you.
My grandparents (both sets) emigrated in the 50's and 60's to NZ from the UK. Both my parents were also English, as are all my brothers and sisters. Both Grandfathers and one Grandmother decorated in WW2 (and some great grandparents decorated in WW1 and the Boer Wars)
Of course being English they socialised with other English people and I grew up in the 80's and 90's surrounded by a group of people that gave me a vision of Britain in the 1950s, 60s and to a certain degree the 70's.
As you can imagine my "vision" of England was heavily clouded and when i arrived 4 years ago and I kind of expected it to be a place full of those sort of people - hard working, decent, respectful, honest and everything else you would expect of an English person.
It sort feels like I was put in a coma in 1970 and then re-awoken in 2001. If indeed it was as my grandparents and their generation described 30 years ago then it really is heartbreaking to see what has happened to this country.
My grandfather and some of his friends are still alive. One of them was among the first army units to enter some of the German concentration camps and spent months afterwards in cleanup operations - he has never really got over the trauma of this, unimaginable to most people today, as is fighting for your country.
With men like this still alive it makes my blood boil to see half the stuff that goes on in this country today.
My grandparents (both sets) emigrated in the 50's and 60's to NZ from the UK. Both my parents were also English, as are all my brothers and sisters. Both Grandfathers and one Grandmother decorated in WW2 (and some great grandparents decorated in WW1 and the Boer Wars)
Of course being English they socialised with other English people and I grew up in the 80's and 90's surrounded by a group of people that gave me a vision of Britain in the 1950s, 60s and to a certain degree the 70's.
As you can imagine my "vision" of England was heavily clouded and when i arrived 4 years ago and I kind of expected it to be a place full of those sort of people - hard working, decent, respectful, honest and everything else you would expect of an English person.
It sort feels like I was put in a coma in 1970 and then re-awoken in 2001. If indeed it was as my grandparents and their generation described 30 years ago then it really is heartbreaking to see what has happened to this country.
My grandfather and some of his friends are still alive. One of them was among the first army units to enter some of the German concentration camps and spent months afterwards in cleanup operations - he has never really got over the trauma of this, unimaginable to most people today, as is fighting for your country.
With men like this still alive it makes my blood boil to see half the stuff that goes on in this country today.
England has lost much of it's Englishness, granted there are some lovely areas still but on the whole it's been over-run by the type of people you comment on. Lazy, good for nothing peasants that want everything for nothing and do so by feeding off the do-gooders and PC tossers harping on about how everybody has a right to this, and a right to that.
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Britain - It tops all the charts for negative statistics in Europe.
Teen pregnancy, reliance on benefit, alcohol abuse, violent crime etc.
Bit of a no-brainer really isn't it.
Teen pregnancy, reliance on benefit, alcohol abuse, violent crime etc.
Bit of a no-brainer really isn't it.
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I've read a few of these political debates on SN. Some of them make me angry, some make me feel better because I find that other people think the same as me.
There is one thing that these debates don't do of course....they do not change anything
There is no point coming on here with really big long winded well thought out posts, if you do not follow the up somewhere. Writing to your MP, or other groups has got to be a must if you all feel as strongly as you do. Otherwise it all just stays the same.
Just my 2p anyway...
There is one thing that these debates don't do of course....they do not change anything
There is no point coming on here with really big long winded well thought out posts, if you do not follow the up somewhere. Writing to your MP, or other groups has got to be a must if you all feel as strongly as you do. Otherwise it all just stays the same.Just my 2p anyway...
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
My grandfather and some of his friends are still alive. One of them was among the first army units to enter some of the German concentration camps and spent months afterwards in cleanup operations - he has never really got over the trauma of this, unimaginable to most people today, as is fighting for your country.
Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
With men like this still alive it makes my blood boil to see half the stuff that goes on in this country today.
Indeed. And how depressing it is to have it all approved of and led by Government intent on extinguishing the very values people like your family members fought for. Take this as an example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4376314.stm
Current race hate laws covers Jews and Sikhs but ministers say other groups, such as Muslims, need protection.
The last thing bl**dy Muslims need is protection from criticism. Good God, now they want to make it a crime to criticise muslims
If not for the House Of Lords (which New Labour would also like to abolish) This kind of rubbish would now be the law of the land.
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Originally Posted by Luminous
I've read a few of these political debates on SN. Some of them make me angry, some make me feel better because I find that other people think the same as me.
There is one thing that these debates don't do of course....they do not change anything There is no point coming on here with really big long winded well thought out posts, if you do not follow the up somewhere. Writing to your MP, or other groups has got to be a must if you all feel as strongly as you do. Otherwise it all just stays the same.
Just my 2p anyway...
There is one thing that these debates don't do of course....they do not change anything
There is no point coming on here with really big long winded well thought out posts, if you do not follow the up somewhere. Writing to your MP, or other groups has got to be a must if you all feel as strongly as you do. Otherwise it all just stays the same.Just my 2p anyway...
That's not the point, Labour wasn't working for this country unless you're a criminal, unemployed, an assylum seeker, a labour MP or all four! and -frankly- they were starting to treat the voters with contempt. The British public should have booted them out on principle.
If the people don't give a f*ck then why should the politicians?
To paraphrase the Green day song: Don't wanna be a British idiot!
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26 October 2005, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by imi
Had you come over before 1997 you would have witnessed a different britain....
Was it bollocks! I rocked up in the middle of winter at Gatwick around 4 pm amazed to find that it was getting dark and to top it off, it was raining - talk about gutted.
The only difference between the late eighties and now is that there was more respect and people were certainly more optimistic about the future than they are now. Having said that, most western countries that follow America's lead are having similar social problems and Oz has it's fair share of issues with the feral westies which seem to be taking over.
26 October 2005, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
It wasn't that massive a difference and unfortunately he's correct in the way that ex-pats view their homeland with rose tinted glasses. I remember the way my mother described the UK and it sounded like something out of a fairy tale with wisteria covered thatched cottages, long balmy summers drinking cider in the pub garden.
Was it bollocks! I rocked up in the middle of winter at Gatwick around 4 pm amazed to find that it was getting dark and to top it off, it was raining - talk about gutted.
The only difference between the late eighties and now is that there was more respect and people were certainly more optimistic about the future than they are now. Having said that, most western countries that follow America's lead are having similar social problems and Oz has it's fair share of issues with the feral westies which seem to be taking over.
Was it bollocks! I rocked up in the middle of winter at Gatwick around 4 pm amazed to find that it was getting dark and to top it off, it was raining - talk about gutted.
The only difference between the late eighties and now is that there was more respect and people were certainly more optimistic about the future than they are now. Having said that, most western countries that follow America's lead are having similar social problems and Oz has it's fair share of issues with the feral westies which seem to be taking over.
OZ.
Britain.
All melting pots, all have high crime, all have fat *******s.
Spot the trend.
26 October 2005, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
USA.
OZ.
Britain.
All melting pots, all have high crime, all have fat *******s.
Spot the trend.
OZ.
Britain.
All melting pots, all have high crime, all have fat *******s.
Spot the trend.
Also as much as I favour tough immigration rules and generally have a low opinion of most immigrants, most of the ills of this country are caused by the natives themselves.
Last edited by KiwiGTI; 26 October 2005 at 12:11 PM.