Clarkson sums up Britain wonderfully.
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Originally Posted by Ben WRX Bug-Eye
Also there is no possibility of China’s economy collapsing anytime soon. Chinese come to study here because they want to learn English and have a different view of England than the reality. That will change over time though when the rest of world starts to realise that this country is quite frankly going to the dogs. No problems with immigrants beyond the 'idiots'? Not heard about the Birmingham riots this week – that’s just a very small taster of what's to come.
He claimed that the the immigrant communities would organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest.
But that hasn't happened. Britain has NOT been taken over, nor have there been any rivers of blood. Look back at history and you'll see that there was a good deal more social unrest in the Victorian age than there is now. Riots were not at all uncommon, and in history have always occurred where there is poverty and social deprivation.
Enoch Powel was misguided and mistaken, but he was also one of the cleverest men you could ever have met. Given that even he got it wrong, what makes you think that your not-especially-well-considered position is anything other than naive and simplisitic at best, and xenophobic at worst?
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Originally Posted by the moose
Enoch Powell made the same point in 1968. He called for an immediate reduction in immigrants on the grounds that their numbers would become overwhelming and suggested that those already relocated in England should be repatriated.
He claimed that the the immigrant communities would organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest.
But that hasn't happened. Britain has NOT been taken over, nor have there been any rivers of blood. Look back at history and you'll see that there was a good deal more social unrest in the Victorian age than there is now. Riots were not at all uncommon, and in history have always occurred where there is poverty and social deprivation.
Enoch Powel was misguided and mistaken, but he was also one of the cleverest men you could ever have met. Given that even he got it wrong, what makes you think that your not-especially-well-considered position is anything other than naive and simplisitic at best, and xenophobic at worst?
He claimed that the the immigrant communities would organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest.
But that hasn't happened. Britain has NOT been taken over, nor have there been any rivers of blood. Look back at history and you'll see that there was a good deal more social unrest in the Victorian age than there is now. Riots were not at all uncommon, and in history have always occurred where there is poverty and social deprivation.
Enoch Powel was misguided and mistaken, but he was also one of the cleverest men you could ever have met. Given that even he got it wrong, what makes you think that your not-especially-well-considered position is anything other than naive and simplisitic at best, and xenophobic at worst?
This chav / hip-hop sub-culture that has developed is my biggest concern. I can understand if people have lived in nice areas and can't relate to it, but there is a nasty undercurrent to society that again simply isn't being addressed. People’s lives are literally being made a misery by these types and the powers don't seem to exist to be able to do something about it. Voter apathy is a problem too. I always vote, but what type of democracy is this where less than half bother, probably because they feel disillusioned. BBC isn't even impartial anymore.
I does bother me when I speak to my Dad and other older generations and they tell me how things used to be in their day - not like how it is now. Maybe I am a bit xenophobic or whatever the latest buzz word is for anybody not buying into the government line, but then changes certainly aren’t always for the best.
I'll happily admit that some of the posts in this thread have got me thinking and good to hear your views.
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Originally Posted by Ben WRX Bug-Eye
I does bother me when I speak to my Dad and other older generations and they tell me how things used to be in their day - not like how it is now.
I'm very happy to be living in the time and place that I am. Think most people who hark for some previous golden age would **** their pants if they found themselves there and living it.
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