Christmas Lights... no more!
02 November 2005, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by drumsterphil
When are we going to stop selling our values and heritage short to please these bloody minorities? They want to live in this country then fine, but they better be under no illusions that this is Britain not a European annex of the mulim world. Accept our history and heritage or bog off somewhere else.
Death to political correctness can't come soon enough.
02 November 2005, 12:40 PM
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We get exactly the same stories every year at this time - nativity plays banned, blah, blah, blah. Nothing ever really changes - the papers just turn up the very few relevant stories and try to convince us the world is coming to an end.
Nice to see someone baiting Ollyk though - you don't even need to be a master baiter to get him going.
We get exactly the same stories every year at this time - nativity plays banned, blah, blah, blah. Nothing ever really changes - the papers just turn up the very few relevant stories and try to convince us the world is coming to an end.
Nice to see someone baiting Ollyk though - you don't even need to be a master baiter to get him going.
And Olly seems to mix up the "run up" to Christmas as part of our tradition, when it is nothing more than greedy commercialism....which SHOULD be banned.
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02 November 2005, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Who and where are these PC brigade? I never see anyone protesting against stuff like "christmas lights" etc???? I just hear from normal people these things are being stopped now, who the fek decided it?
02 November 2005, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
And Olly seems to mix up the "run up" to Christmas as part of our tradition, when it is nothing more than greedy commercialism....which SHOULD be banned.
As I say, actual Xmas as we know it has been around for a couple of hundred years and is largely a Victorian invention. Prior to that it was mostly a mish-mash of pagan traditions, many of which are still practiced.
If you're Christian and you want to celebrate your particular festival fine, do it. The non-christians will no doubt respect your beliefs but don't expect them to joyously join in with all the xmas traditions. I don't see too many xians lining up to be part of of diwalli, ramadan, passover and such.
02 November 2005, 02:05 PM
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Errr - not quite, I'm the one saying the run up for 2 months is a PITA, why can't it be kept to a week or so the week before the 25th. Other than that it's my usual philosphy of live and let live but don't try adn force me to adopt your beliefs.
Err, not quite? It's exactly right...the run up beforehand is the commercialism of businesses and nothing to do with Christmas....It is the commercialism that is what should be banned.
Commercialism is NOT Christmas
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02 November 2005, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Err, not quite? It's exactly right...the run up beforehand is the commercialism of businesses and nothing to do with Christmas....It is the commercialism that is what should be banned.
Commercialism is NOT Christmas
Commercialism is NOT Christmas
02 November 2005, 04:14 PM
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we'd all do better if we lived by the ten commandments etc!!
can anyone list them all offthe top of their heads????
Jewish?
Jesus was king of the Jews you know!
this country is Christian... for now!
look upon our country that everyone wants to come here to live cus we have made it so good. you can practice any religion here with no problem.. woman have equal standing in society (look around the world and see how woman are treaded) least in this country a single woman (or Wo as they like to be called now, something about naot having the MAN part added to Wo) and buy a house on her own have her own good job/ run a company even run the country itself!! lol
and on the whole this is not a racist country.... even in the USA Blacks are still kept down.
trouble will come when PCness goes too far that an uprising will start when the silent MAJORITY will take a stand... councils and government will have to watch their backs!!
God save the Queen.
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can anyone list them all offthe top of their heads????
Jewish?
Jesus was king of the Jews you know!
this country is Christian... for now!
look upon our country that everyone wants to come here to live cus we have made it so good. you can practice any religion here with no problem.. woman have equal standing in society (look around the world and see how woman are treaded) least in this country a single woman (or Wo as they like to be called now, something about naot having the MAN part added to Wo) and buy a house on her own have her own good job/ run a company even run the country itself!! lol
and on the whole this is not a racist country.... even in the USA Blacks are still kept down.
trouble will come when PCness goes too far that an uprising will start when the silent MAJORITY will take a stand... councils and government will have to watch their backs!!
God save the Queen.
Phil
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02 November 2005, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by suprabeast
wow christmas is the best time ever... decmeber being the only month where you can almost drink every night without being branded an alcoholic!
lots of presents and films on tv , no work for a few days and a big hangover in january! christianity rocks
lots of presents and films on tv , no work for a few days and a big hangover in january! christianity rocks
PMSL - nice 1
I think they should call them F4cking B4astard lights.
I don't find even that in the least bit offensive!
02 November 2005, 05:36 PM
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I find it ironic that Lambeth Council and any of the PC Brigade in their imagined efforts to placate offended minorities (Who invariably aren't offended in the slightest) stir up more racial tension and hatred than the normal man and women on the street just getting on with things.
An impartial observer could form the opinion that Lambeth Council etc are actually stirring up and inciting racial hatred!
An impartial observer could form the opinion that Lambeth Council etc are actually stirring up and inciting racial hatred!
02 November 2005, 05:39 PM
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Who gives a toss what the sandal wearing vegan (white) middle class pillocks think, nobody I knows worries about other people celebrations, people enjoying themselves should be a problem to anyone apart from those in local government office with f*ck all better to do.
Religion is a bit bizarre anyway imho, I mean,
Kneel down and think (pray) at something you cant see, dont know exists.
Dont eat meat
No Bacon Butties
You can eat meat but not with a glass of milk
No boozing
You can drink some wine but have to pretend its blood
We all arrived 2000 or so years ago despite massive evidence to the contrary
When you die you come back as a Slug
or Perhaps you dont
No ******** until married
No ******** when you are married unless you are after having a baby
Women arent allowed to be a priest
Gay's cant be preists
No contraception despite aids epidemic
No blood transfusions
Whatever happens is pre-ordained
Hymms/Guitars/clapping
Chanting
Cant operate machinery on a Saturday
Foreskin removal
Beat yourself senseless to show your faith
They all claim to be right, the one true way but they all contradict each other and as such somebody must be wrong, I can respect somebody elses faith, i.e. tolerate the fact that they beleive something I dont, just dont expect me to beleive in it, if whomever wants to put fairy lights up, let them call them whatever they want.
Religion is a bit bizarre anyway imho, I mean,
Kneel down and think (pray) at something you cant see, dont know exists.
Dont eat meat
No Bacon Butties
You can eat meat but not with a glass of milk
No boozing
You can drink some wine but have to pretend its blood
We all arrived 2000 or so years ago despite massive evidence to the contrary
When you die you come back as a Slug
or Perhaps you dont
No ******** until married
No ******** when you are married unless you are after having a baby
Women arent allowed to be a priest
Gay's cant be preists
No contraception despite aids epidemic
No blood transfusions
Whatever happens is pre-ordained
Hymms/Guitars/clapping
Chanting
Cant operate machinery on a Saturday
Foreskin removal
Beat yourself senseless to show your faith
They all claim to be right, the one true way but they all contradict each other and as such somebody must be wrong, I can respect somebody elses faith, i.e. tolerate the fact that they beleive something I dont, just dont expect me to beleive in it, if whomever wants to put fairy lights up, let them call them whatever they want.
02 November 2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SwissTony
Well They can kiss my **** 
This country is going to the dogs !!
Jesus so bleeding PC, it makes me sick. Bet if you ask these so called religions they couldnt care less. Are we talking about the religions that have made the UK their home? so they live here like the rest of us so whats the problem for ***** sake
I, for one, will call the Christmas lights what I want, they are called that because of Christ, not because of any other religious god. simple...
So robinson's jam lost the golliwog figure because of this lunacy,council's have changed manhole covers to something else and do schools still have blackboards ?? probably not
If the stupid people who have made up this crock of **** want to pamper to some people (who dont give a damm) then why dont they just call it XMAS lights if they are so worried.
No prat in some council will tell me how I call things.
This country is going to the dogs !!
Jesus so bleeding PC, it makes me sick. Bet if you ask these so called religions they couldnt care less. Are we talking about the religions that have made the UK their home? so they live here like the rest of us so whats the problem for ***** sake
I, for one, will call the Christmas lights what I want, they are called that because of Christ, not because of any other religious god. simple...
So robinson's jam lost the golliwog figure because of this lunacy,council's have changed manhole covers to something else and do schools still have blackboards ?? probably not
If the stupid people who have made up this crock of **** want to pamper to some people (who dont give a damm) then why dont they just call it XMAS lights if they are so worried.
No prat in some council will tell me how I call things.
02 November 2005, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by salsa-king
just heard on GMTV that theres talk that Christmas lights will not be called that any more as not to upset 'other' regligions!!!! 
possible name changes are..
winter lights
celebrity lights etc!
you can't say coloured ballbulls (sp) as it is... where is all this heading.....
very sad times we live in
Phil
possible name changes are..
winter lights
celebrity lights etc!
you can't say coloured ballbulls (sp) as it is... where is all this heading.....
very sad times we live in
Phil
And why the **** cant we call a "Piggy bank a Piggy bank FFS" fecking nanny state"
Next we will be banning Christmas all together because it upsets some fcukwit religion or some crap like that FFS
All this political correctness is all bollox if they don't like tough tell them to **** off
02 November 2005, 08:23 PM
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Same old crap every Christmas, with the media stirring up racial hatered.
Strangely it's only 'English' people reporting this, but there is never a reference to the source of the person/group/people/race who are complaining.
White people who think everyone else is far too sensitive to deal with real life!
Strangely it's only 'English' people reporting this, but there is never a reference to the source of the person/group/people/race who are complaining.
White people who think everyone else is far too sensitive to deal with real life!
02 November 2005, 08:35 PM
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stuff the lot of em is what i say
i couldn't give a toss if people don't like it
and if they feel so passionatly then bugger off and find some other nanny state that will pander to every whim they have
oops sorry they wont will they coz no other country will put up with this crap
you try doing it in france or italy etc you'd have NO chance mate
it's christmas and always will be
i couldn't give a toss if people don't like it
and if they feel so passionatly then bugger off and find some other nanny state that will pander to every whim they have
oops sorry they wont will they coz no other country will put up with this crap
you try doing it in france or italy etc you'd have NO chance mate
it's christmas and always will be
02 November 2005, 08:39 PM
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So let me get this right. Some foreigners have come over to OUR country, got themselves into a position of power somehow in their own little enclave, then started changing OUR traditions and religions just coz they don't like them?
Bloody cheek. Makes me proud to be British, we'd never do anything like that.
Bloody cheek. Makes me proud to be British, we'd never do anything like that.
02 November 2005, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
So let me get this right. Some foreigners have come over to OUR country, got themselves into a position of power somehow in their own little enclave, then started changing OUR traditions and religions just coz they don't like them?
Bloody cheek. Makes me proud to be British, we'd never do anything like that.
Bloody cheek. Makes me proud to be British, we'd never do anything like that.
Seriously though, its amazing how a typical 'Daily Mail' b8llsh1t headline will get all you guys ready with a lynch mob. Just stop and think for a second. Do you really think the word Christmas is going to be banned? Honestly do you? Or does it just give you a chance to rant?
I have never met an Asian in my life who is offended by Christmas is any way. Personally I love it, booze and food and mistletoe and James Bond and carry on films!!
If this sort of nonsense were true its the fault of liberal champagne socialist Islington new Labour types. You probably voted them in!! Blame them, not us.
Remember our corner shops and petrol stations do their best trade at Christmas why should we be offended(LOL)
02 November 2005, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
But it IS happening though and there is potential for this rot to spread.
And Olly seems to mix up the "run up" to Christmas as part of our tradition, when it is nothing more than greedy commercialism....which SHOULD be banned.
And Olly seems to mix up the "run up" to Christmas as part of our tradition, when it is nothing more than greedy commercialism....which SHOULD be banned.
No. A muppet in Lambeth Council (and there are, I'm sure, a huge number) did this, but clearly doesn't speak for the council. Rather than sorting out the problem, a Tory councillor thought he'd play the "oh my God, England's sinking" card.
And as ever, the unthinking SN massive swallow the lies hook, line and sinker.
02 November 2005, 10:09 PM
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I agree with Deep Singh here. The problems not with any particular race or creed. Its our blaming, and not dealing with, p!ss taking ponce's that come from eastern Europe.
Most people in this country enjoy Christmas (whatever their faith) and its the councils that are worried about above said p!ss takers sueing them.
Rant over, sorry!
Most people in this country enjoy Christmas (whatever their faith) and its the councils that are worried about above said p!ss takers sueing them.
Rant over, sorry!
02 November 2005, 10:15 PM
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blasts from the past!!! hows you two?
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blasts from the past!!! hows you two?
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02 November 2005, 10:20 PM
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Deep you spoilsport, I could have caught more fish with that than a Spanish trawler in UK waters
Anyway,
oh, and
Anyway,
Originally Posted by Deep Singh
Remember our corner shops and petrol stations do their best trade at Christmas why should we be offended(LOL)
oh, and
Originally Posted by Deep Singh
Just stop and think for a second.
02 November 2005, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ben44
I agree with Deep Singh here. The problems not with any particular race or creed. Its our blaming, and not dealing with, p!ss taking ponce's that come from eastern Europe.
Most people in this country enjoy Christmas (whatever their faith) and its the councils that are worried about above said p!ss takers sueing them.
Rant over, sorry!
Most people in this country enjoy Christmas (whatever their faith) and its the councils that are worried about above said p!ss takers sueing them.
Rant over, sorry!
I realise, to my immense sadness, that SN is heavily populated by xenophobes who'd believe anything bad of a council, and are willing to link absolutely any issue to immigration.
Why you mention Eastern European immigrants is beyond me - 25% of recent immigrants are Polish, and are far more devoutly Christian than the average Anglo-Saxon Brit; they actually celebrate Christmas rather than just having a festival of shopping. The great majority of the other immigrants (Hungarians, Czech etc) are from the same religious background, so perhaps it's just your prejudices showing through.
I'd have thought that even the most cretinous posters would actually bother to read the article in question before commenting (and realise that as usual, it's entirely a non-story), but as usual it's the same thinly-disguised anti-foreigner drivel, fired from the hip without engaging brain.
02 November 2005, 10:45 PM
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I realise, to my immense sadness, that SN is heavily populated by xenophobes who'd believe anything bad of a council, and are willing to link absolutely any issue to immigration.
Why you mention Eastern European immigrants is beyond me - 25% of recent immigrants are Polish, and are far more devoutly Christian than the average Anglo-Saxon Brit; they actually celebrate Christmas rather than just having a festival of shopping. The great majority of the other immigrants (Hungarians, Czech etc) are from the same religious background, so perhaps it's just your prejudices showing through.
I'd have thought that even the most cretinous posters would actually bother to read the article in question before commenting (and realise that as usual, it's entirely a non-story), but as usual it's the same thinly-disguised anti-foreigner drivel, fired from the hip without engaging brain.
Why you mention Eastern European immigrants is beyond me - 25% of recent immigrants are Polish, and are far more devoutly Christian than the average Anglo-Saxon Brit; they actually celebrate Christmas rather than just having a festival of shopping. The great majority of the other immigrants (Hungarians, Czech etc) are from the same religious background, so perhaps it's just your prejudices showing through.
I'd have thought that even the most cretinous posters would actually bother to read the article in question before commenting (and realise that as usual, it's entirely a non-story), but as usual it's the same thinly-disguised anti-foreigner drivel, fired from the hip without engaging brain.
Sorry if you got offended. Have you any contact with the outside world? Or are your posts 'from the hip'?
You appear to have a low IQ. I can't help you unfortunatly (just read your post's that I previously ignored
)
03 November 2005, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by the moose
No. A muppet in Lambeth Council (and there are, I'm sure, a huge number) did this, but clearly doesn't speak for the council. Rather than sorting out the problem, a Tory councillor thought he'd play the "oh my God, England's sinking" card.
And as ever, the unthinking SN massive swallow the lies hook, line and sinker.
And as ever, the unthinking SN massive swallow the lies hook, line and sinker.
No, IT IS happening!
Do you know what Birmingham council want to call Christmas??
This is the rot, IT IS hapenning, IT IS spreading, a Lambeth council member(s) with the same view and policy as Birmingham and that other council members are paying attention and allowing them to adopt this idiocy or turning a blind eye, leaving them to continue with their meddling is all proof of this.
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03 November 2005, 08:18 AM
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Er, what? I was talking about the way we precieve so called "foreigners" (That are normally english anyway) and our dislike of the **** takers that have in the last few years arrived from eastern europe to take advantage. We should not get the 2 confused. Our councils are only protecting themselves from them
Sorry if you got offended. Have you any contact with the outside world? Or are your posts 'from the hip'?
You appear to have a low IQ. I can't help you unfortunatly (just read your post's that I previously ignored )
Sorry if you got offended. Have you any contact with the outside world? Or are your posts 'from the hip'?
You appear to have a low IQ. I can't help you unfortunatly (just read your post's that I previously ignored
)My frequent contact with the outside world enables me to point out to you that the vast majority of the Eastern Europeans here are Christian, or at least from a nominally Christian background. The likelihood of them protesting against Christmas is therefore just a little unlikely, do you not think?
Top tip: if you're going to accuse someone of having a low IQ, best learn how to spell and punctuate, eh?
03 November 2005, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
No, IT IS happening!
Do you know what Birmingham council want to call Christmas??
This is the rot, IT IS hapenning, IT IS spreading, a Lambeth council member(s) with the same view and policy as Birmingham and that other council members are paying attention and allowing them to adopt this idiocy or turning a blind eye, leaving them to continue with their meddling is all proof of this.
Do you know what Birmingham council want to call Christmas??
This is the rot, IT IS hapenning, IT IS spreading, a Lambeth council member(s) with the same view and policy as Birmingham and that other council members are paying attention and allowing them to adopt this idiocy or turning a blind eye, leaving them to continue with their meddling is all proof of this.
03 November 2005, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
No, IT IS happening!
council member(s) with the same view and policy as Birmingham and that other council members are paying attention and allowing them to adopt this idiocy or turning a blind eye, leaving them to continue with their meddling is all proof of this.
council member(s) with the same view and policy as Birmingham and that other council members are paying attention and allowing them to adopt this idiocy or turning a blind eye, leaving them to continue with their meddling is all proof of this.
Looks like they want to refer to Christmas as Christmas.
Maybe it's a conspiracy
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03 November 2005, 08:57 AM
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So it was a error of judgement by a junior council official and it is not council policy. Methinks the reaction has been a bit OTT.
It's also somewhat ironic that those making the biggest noise about this story are also probably the last ones you find in church.
It's also somewhat ironic that those making the biggest noise about this story are also probably the last ones you find in church.
03 November 2005, 10:52 AM
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Can't see what the fuss is about. Christmas now begins on the 6th November, and I've even seen xmas ads on tv already. Most people use the time of the year as a massive **** up and a reason to melt credit cards through excessive and pointless spending of money they don't have.
All religion is controlling drivel anyway. Fecking whole lot of nonsense.
All religion is controlling drivel anyway. Fecking whole lot of nonsense.