I drove a wrx....
06 November 2005, 02:27 PM
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well just drove another wrx on a y plate. the car was a million times better condition, brakes felt like 4 pots and was a much better car! made me think there is potential there! still not quick, but it made me want one and modify it! the interior is sooo much nicer than the classic and with a better spoiler and headlights etc will look nice! I am still going to look at a classic but tbh i think ill end up getting one of these and chipping it etc to around 270...
06 November 2005, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Clarkie172
well just drove another wrx on a y plate. the car was a million times better condition, brakes felt like 4 pots and was a much better car! made me think there is potential there! still not quick, but it made me want one and modify it! the interior is sooo much nicer than the classic and with a better spoiler and headlights etc will look nice! I am still going to look at a classic but tbh i think ill end up getting one of these and chipping it etc to around 270...
06 November 2005, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazer
Typical Scooby owner way of thinking....
I used a 0-60 time merely as a reference. People on here are often saying that the newage WRX is slower than the Classic, blah blah blah. But it isn't hugely slower and the speed factor needs to be put into perspective.
T5's are renowned for being quick and yet are a second slower than a newage WRX. It makes me laugh when people says how "slow" the newage WRX is but it isn't. Anything with a sub-6 second time is shifting. It's all relative.
At the end of the day, an STi PPP is slow too...........compared to the Bugatti Veyron's of this world.
06 November 2005, 03:08 PM
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i cant beleive the book 0-60 for them is 5.9! i swear my clio was quicker than it! anyway, im still going to get a scooby! ill just have to modify it asap! lol
06 November 2005, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazer
Typical Scooby owner way of thinking....
Isn't anyone geting tired of these WRXs are slow threads, they really are nonsense!
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06 November 2005, 03:31 PM
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Don't get hung up on the 0-60 pleeease..!
Yes a 'properly' launched scoob should make your insides and vision quiver, but that's more to do with AWD traction that outright power. 0-100 or 30-70 is a truer indication of real world performance.
I came from a 172 (which I loved, but needed a 4dr..!) to my 05 WRX. My scoob, once losened up after 5000 miles did 'feel' quicker that the Renault, mainly due to the turbo's torque charictaristics (sp?). In real world terms there isn't much in it, however the WRX's performance easier to obtain. The only area that it would beat a 172/182 is off the line to 60.
Now I've had a few little thing changed on my scoob
the story is very different..!
Edited to add: Just because a std. WRX isn't faster than a very quick hot hatch dosen't mean it's slow..!
Yes a 'properly' launched scoob should make your insides and vision quiver, but that's more to do with AWD traction that outright power. 0-100 or 30-70 is a truer indication of real world performance.
I came from a 172 (which I loved, but needed a 4dr..!) to my 05 WRX. My scoob, once losened up after 5000 miles did 'feel' quicker that the Renault, mainly due to the turbo's torque charictaristics (sp?). In real world terms there isn't much in it, however the WRX's performance easier to obtain. The only area that it would beat a 172/182 is off the line to 60.
Now I've had a few little thing changed on my scoob
the story is very different..!Edited to add: Just because a std. WRX isn't faster than a very quick hot hatch dosen't mean it's slow..!
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06 November 2005, 03:38 PM
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i no its not slow mate, and i also know that once modified it will be better!!! but i got to drive it and from any low speed to ..well, higher> it still wasnt up to expectation to be fair. obviously stis etc will be a diff story!! i just cant wait to get one now and modify it
06 November 2005, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben WRX Bug-Eye
My thoughts... go and buy a classic if you want a hardcore driving experience. Sure it looks more than a bit old now, has a poor interior, doesn't handle as well as the new-ages, Barry has one and so on, but that can be lived with and is all part of the rawness that your probably looking for.
The WRX (03 onwards included as the performance is so close to the bug-eye WRX's as to make the differences insignificant in reality) is more refined and more compromised as standard. Sure an exhaust, remap, eibach's and set of performance pads will go a long way towards sorting out your concerns for reasonable money, but you don't sound like you want to tinker with the car much to behonest.
Also is 4 wheel drive a neccessity for you? I know this has turned into the usual bug-eye is rubbish nonsense
but maybe you should be looking at Civic Type R's for example? Mate just swapped his 182 for a CTR and said it was much more his cup of tea.
The WRX (03 onwards included as the performance is so close to the bug-eye WRX's as to make the differences insignificant in reality) is more refined and more compromised as standard. Sure an exhaust, remap, eibach's and set of performance pads will go a long way towards sorting out your concerns for reasonable money, but you don't sound like you want to tinker with the car much to behonest.
Also is 4 wheel drive a neccessity for you? I know this has turned into the usual bug-eye is rubbish nonsense
but maybe you should be looking at Civic Type R's for example? Mate just swapped his 182 for a CTR and said it was much more his cup of tea.
06 November 2005, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonius
Don't get hung up on the 0-60 pleeease..!
Yes a 'properly' launched scoob should make your insides and vision quiver, but that's more to do with AWD traction that outright power. 0-100 or 30-70 is a truer indication of real world performance.
I came from a 172 (which I loved, but needed a 4dr..!) to my 05 WRX. My scoob, once losened up after 5000 miles did 'feel' quicker that the Renault, mainly due to the turbo's torque charictaristics (sp?). In real world terms there isn't much in it, however the WRX's performance easier to obtain. The only area that it would beat a 172/182 is off the line to 60.
Now I've had a few little thing changed on my scoob the story is very different..!
Edited to add: Just because a std. WRX isn't faster than a very quick hot hatch dosen't mean it's slow..!
Yes a 'properly' launched scoob should make your insides and vision quiver, but that's more to do with AWD traction that outright power. 0-100 or 30-70 is a truer indication of real world performance.
I came from a 172 (which I loved, but needed a 4dr..!) to my 05 WRX. My scoob, once losened up after 5000 miles did 'feel' quicker that the Renault, mainly due to the turbo's torque charictaristics (sp?). In real world terms there isn't much in it, however the WRX's performance easier to obtain. The only area that it would beat a 172/182 is off the line to 60.
Now I've had a few little thing changed on my scoob
the story is very different..!Edited to add: Just because a std. WRX isn't faster than a very quick hot hatch dosen't mean it's slow..!
WRX (03) 0-100 = 17.45secs
So not a great deal in it.
For reference a 99 classic UK turbo (215BHP) 0-100 = 15.87secs
and my slightly modded 95 UK Turbo @ 280ish BHP gives 11.8secs to 100.
As you can see, even a classic UK Turbo is significantly quicker to 100 as standard and may be a better starting point for that initial "I bought a quicker car feel".
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06 November 2005, 03:52 PM
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06 November 2005, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben WRX Bug-Eye
My thoughts... go and buy a classic if you want a hardcore driving experience. Sure it looks more than a bit old now, has a poor interior, doesn't handle as well as the new-ages,
06 November 2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonius
Don't get hung up on the 0-60 pleeease..!
Yes a 'properly' launched scoob should make your insides and vision quiver, but that's more to do with AWD traction that outright power. 0-100 or 30-70 is a truer indication of real world performance.
..!
Yes a 'properly' launched scoob should make your insides and vision quiver, but that's more to do with AWD traction that outright power. 0-100 or 30-70 is a truer indication of real world performance.
..!
As you say there IS more to performance than just ouright figures. What is more pertainent for performance driving in the UK is the all weather capability of the Scooby. This is where you will notice a significant difference between the Scooby and high powered FWD cars. I've given a ride to two of my mates: one with a Jabba tuned Cupra and the other with a Clio 182 Cup, and both said that the Scooby would simply drive away in the wet. Having driven a 182 myself for some time, I'd agree. Don't get me wrong, these FWD super hatches -the term "hot" no longer does them justice- are very impressive when conditions are good and you want a blast, but I've yet to see one thats a match for a scooby's breadth, and that's the key word, of abilities and its remarkable character.
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06 November 2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scooby_matt
You're a big fan of the classic shape then?
I like the classics but have to say I am tired of all the ****e written on here about bug-eyes.
06 November 2005, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tath
put down that spliff - classic doesn't handle as well as a bugeye???!!!
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06 November 2005, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stiver3
In reality, most of the time its the Sti which everyone talks about, the WRX is just a 'warmed saloon' whereas the STi's are monsters.
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06 November 2005, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben WRX Bug-Eye
What's wrong? It's fine on Scoobynet to slate the bug-eye at every opportunity, but lets not have a bad word said about the classics?
I like the classics but have to say I am tired of all the ****e written on here about bug-eyes.
I like the classics but have to say I am tired of all the ****e written on here about bug-eyes.
And before the complaining starts, I wasn't having a pop at the bugeye
06 November 2005, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
They dont; thats where the weight went, stiffening up the monocoque...... You pay the penalty in straight line performance though.
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06 November 2005, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scooby_matt
People don't slate the bugeye at every opportunity, the facts merely speak for themselves. Bugeye owners all too often to go on the offensive before anything's been said half of the time.
And before the complaining starts, I wasn't having a pop at the bugeye
And before the complaining starts, I wasn't having a pop at the bugeye
06 November 2005, 06:15 PM
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At the end of the day, drive both and take your pick. If you want a 280bhp, standard WRX buy a Jap import made in the mid-nineties. Nothing wrong with that if you want to invest in a car that's already 10 years old.
Subaru didn't invest all that R&D time, money and effort to upgrade the Impreza for nothing.
You pays yer money, you makes yer choice. Simple as that.
IMO the classic looks sexier but the newage looks more aggressive. Compare them to a Clio 182 for example, perhaps not a huge difference in straightline speed but the Subaru's a much better all-round package IMHO.
Let's move on.
Subaru didn't invest all that R&D time, money and effort to upgrade the Impreza for nothing.
You pays yer money, you makes yer choice. Simple as that.
IMO the classic looks sexier but the newage looks more aggressive. Compare them to a Clio 182 for example, perhaps not a huge difference in straightline speed but the Subaru's a much better all-round package IMHO.
Let's move on.
06 November 2005, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Correct, the new age chassis is -according to Subaru- 200% stiffer than the classic. I think the principle benefit is in terms of ride and refinement from my experience of the two, but a stiffer chassis allows the suspension to do its job better if I understand correctly.
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(don't say twice as stiff )I find it hard to believe that a bugeye can carry as much speed through a corner as a e.g. V6 STI with new suspension/bushing/tyres etc... It's 200kg heavier!!! I'd agree that a newage is more refined and gives more confidence on changing cambers and surface though - less twitchy and nervous.
Anyway, before i digress too far handling isn't about getting round a track fast. It's about how it responds, communicates, feels etc. and i doubt a car that is that much heavier can provide as much entertainment as my classic
06 November 2005, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Clarkie172
i did earlier this afternoon mate ;-)
anyone got any vids of a modified wrx??
anyone got any vids of a modified wrx??
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06 November 2005, 07:33 PM
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Take a standard (apart from the de-tango) bug-eye:
Then add the following plus a remap:
Result: The extra poke and stopping power your after.
Then add the following plus a remap:
Result: The extra poke and stopping power your after.
06 November 2005, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jazzasti
buy an evo 4/5/6 instead mate,a lot better car and defo worth the money!!they will blow you away,gonna change mine in january for the evo 6,brilliant car!
From a 30mph start, i was all over the back of an evo 5 upto illegal speeds and also from a rolling 80mph 5th gear run....made me feel happy i bought the car i did as was looking to the dark side at one point...
Mine is an sti V5 to so maybe it's worth looking at a classic wrx etc and just ringing every damn insurance company you can for a better quote....
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Originally Posted by Alan wrx-sti
what disc's are they I'm after a new set and they are very nice.
Give Alyn a ring on 0191-4103770.