dexter

I`ve said this before gents, but make the most of your quick, enjoyable cars, whilst you can, as you won`t be able to do so for very much longer now (or at least not on the road anway).

Another thing that springs to mind, if this is not just about revenue, then why haven`t they fitted some sort of satellite-controlled limiter, in new cars, which stops you exceeding the speed limit anyway ?

It`s obvious that this would stop people speeding, but would completely eradicate the enormous revenue now generated for them each year, and we can`t have that, can we ?

OllyK

Look at some of hedgehog's posts, in particular ISA. This is in the pipeline.

JTaylor

Anything being done about it? We all harp on about an overbearing state and predict greater interferance in the future but seem prepared to simply sit back and watch it unfold. Existing campaigners such as Idis Francis and http://www.abd.org.uk/ do their bit, but do we?

My concern is that as the states power becomes stronger so does its ability to win the minds of the unthinking public. Having worked in a call centre with Mr and Mrs Average I was troubled by how freely the majority excepted surveillance, ID cards and other such Orwellian impositions in exchange for a Big Mac, widesreen TV and a Daewoo Matiz. "I've got nothing to hide" and "It don't bovver me" were staple assertions. This of course means that the state can move forward with its plan hindered only by pockets of resistance who don't get the support needed to add volume to their voice.

Virtual state control of the motorist is just around the corner: join the ABD, educate people and resist before spirited Sunday morning drives down your favourite road becomes a thing of the past.

GC8

unclebuck

Indeed. The stupidity of the British public is depressingly evident. I can't see much point in resisting any more. We (the public) had our last chance at the last election and blew it. There's nothing more to stop the New Labour project reaching it's dreadful and irreversible Orwellian conclusion now.

Sadly, by their apathetic and selfish behaviour the people of this country have themselves the government they so richly deserve, and we are all about to pay the price.

Imagine if you dare what this country will be like to live in once all these measures become law and the mother of all recessions has come home to roost.

AlfasudQV

Very true and observant, just dont try and blame it on 'New Tory' it would have been no different if 'Old Tory' had won the last election. Really do not see where some people on this board see a distinction between modern politicians and their parties. THEY WILL ALL LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL from you.

hedgehog

What is interesting, though, is that Hitler rose during a recession and claimed to be a socialist. I could easily see the general population voting for any party that offered a way out of this mess, especially once the recession hits.

As others have said the Tories would have done little different to Labour, remember it was John Major who signed up to the declaration which committed him to restricting access to private transport because it was "socially divisive." Labour are certainly applying themselves to that committment with Stalinist zeal and methods but we can't say that the Tories would have done any different. They have certainly never said they would.

Vegescoob

We do tend to cover the same old ground!
Worth repeating though,
"Bread and circuses".

boomer

...and after spending billions of taxpayers money to implement such a system, what will happen when ANPR "detects" a stolen, uninsured or untaxed vehicle?

Firstly, if it is unregistered then they won't have an address to send the summons to!

Then, if they do trace the driver, and if he can be bothered to go to court, and if found guilty can be bothered to pay the fine (half don't ) then he will pay it off at 50p a week (whilst jumping into another "throwaway car" to continue his illegal driving).

Madness!!

mb

hedgehog

This is also true: this is only a control system for the generally law abiding it will offer no protection against those determined to subvert it or those who don't register vehciles in their names for example.

From this it may be possible to conclude that we will soon be in a situation where a percentage of the population, the generally criminal percentage, will be below the law while the generally law abiding population will have a sophisticated range of control elements applied to every aspect of their lives. I wonder if it will be a bit like the current concept of "spin" in that crime will be unchecked but figures will show that it doesn't exist and the generally law abiding will be controlled such that they will not be allowed to discuss it?

Again Orwell was ahead of his time. I believe that his real name was actually Blair which gives me a great idea for a novel :-)

speedking

Is it actually illegal to wear a crash helmet in a car on the public road? Or a T. Bliar rubber mask

Leslie

The electorate has only one bit of power so far, as we have had for so long anyway, and that is the vote of course. UB may be right and it is now too late but the real answer is not to duck using the vote. While we still have it that is to say!

Les

AlfasudQV

There was a Book (not a brilliant one) by Ken Livingstone a few years ago, it had a very interesting title. The title was "If voting changed anything, they would abolish it" Very depressing thought

MJW

Hehe very true - just look over the pond at that bastion of democracy the USA. A shining example of how the people decide who gets the top job (err.. providing you're not black, or a democrat voter, or even worse a black democrat voter etc. etc. )

Leslie

Also of course if your family has control of the voting machines in the State with the most electoral votes!

Les

RB170

I know what you mean, I am seriously considering emigration seeing as even when the majority of the country don't vote for them they still get in.