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23 November 2005, 12:11 PM
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Since the valid and difficult point of where the threshold is set has already been voiced, I'll just be content to repeat some Jimmy Carr jokes on the subject that I read in Nuts the other day.
"Fat people say its the camera, it adds 2 stone. Well, stop eating cameras then!
Its not my fault I'm fat, it's my thyroid! Oh, it's your thyroid is it, what are you taking for that? Pies?
I once dumped a girl cause of a weight issue. Well, I say dumped, she died in a bungee jumping accident"
"Fat people say its the camera, it adds 2 stone. Well, stop eating cameras then!
Its not my fault I'm fat, it's my thyroid! Oh, it's your thyroid is it, what are you taking for that? Pies?
I once dumped a girl cause of a weight issue. Well, I say dumped, she died in a bungee jumping accident"
23 November 2005, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
And that herein lies the point of where the line should be drawn 
A BMI of 30 in this case. (whatever that means)
A BMI of 30 in this case. (whatever that means)
Worth considering that many body builders would probably have a high BMI due to the muscle mass and muscle being more dense!
23 November 2005, 12:17 PM
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"I've got lung cancer"
"Have you ever smoked"
"No"
"Have you ever been in a smokey pub or walked by a main road?"
"Yes"
"Here's the price list then"
"Have you ever smoked"
"No"
"Have you ever been in a smokey pub or walked by a main road?"
"Yes"
"Here's the price list then"
23 November 2005, 12:17 PM
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But what about those that have other medical problems that result in a BMI (Body Mass Index http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_...al_index.shtml) over 30??
Worth considering that many body builders would probably have a high BMI due to the muscle mass and muscle being more dense!
Worth considering that many body builders would probably have a high BMI due to the muscle mass and muscle being more dense!
Which is why I agreed about the point made by DBW of where should it be drawn!
23 November 2005, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
"I've got lung cancer"
"Have you ever smoked"
"Yes"
"Here's the price list then"
I think it would be perfectly possible to draw up workable parameters. Of course though, it will never happen entirely, not until as SJ Skyline intimated, the whole thing is privatised anyway....
"Have you ever smoked"
"Yes"
"Here's the price list then"
I think it would be perfectly possible to draw up workable parameters. Of course though, it will never happen entirely, not until as SJ Skyline intimated, the whole thing is privatised anyway....
Obviously treatements could start with the costs being claimed back once proof has been established (beyond any reasonable doubt) but plenty of people would have died already, and how much would it slow down our already overstreched judicial system?
23 November 2005, 12:20 PM
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Its a stab at irony Telboy 
Just to include another issue IIRC the revenue from **** pays for the NHS ***/human repair bill plus a bit more so it would be a bit tight on the government to deny treatment to a *** smoker as they have contributed to their hospital costs.
Denying obese people treatment is pretty bonkers if you ask me even though the ideas is almost in the right place. I don't look after myself as much as I should and there are other who treat themselves far worse but I'm not sure its right to treat someone on the basis of their lifestyle.
My GFs parents (work shy benefit ******) are both "On the sick" and have been for many years. They've both been told to stop smoking and drinking in order to improve thier health but they won't and they see it as their right to be treated irrespective of how they live.
Right now I have nothing but hatred in my heart for the "System" of this country either by its benefit system, its ability to punish the workforce and favour the slackers and no hopers and the health system is equally appalling. Theres unspoken knowledge in this area that if the local hospital is on the verge of bankruptcy and if you need a dentist - forget about it.
Its sh$te living in the UK.
Just to include another issue IIRC the revenue from **** pays for the NHS ***/human repair bill plus a bit more so it would be a bit tight on the government to deny treatment to a *** smoker as they have contributed to their hospital costs.
Denying obese people treatment is pretty bonkers if you ask me even though the ideas is almost in the right place. I don't look after myself as much as I should and there are other who treat themselves far worse but I'm not sure its right to treat someone on the basis of their lifestyle.
My GFs parents (work shy benefit ******) are both "On the sick" and have been for many years. They've both been told to stop smoking and drinking in order to improve thier health but they won't and they see it as their right to be treated irrespective of how they live.
Right now I have nothing but hatred in my heart for the "System" of this country either by its benefit system, its ability to punish the workforce and favour the slackers and no hopers and the health system is equally appalling. Theres unspoken knowledge in this area that if the local hospital is on the verge of bankruptcy and if you need a dentist - forget about it.
Its sh$te living in the UK.
23 November 2005, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
"I've got lung cancer"
"Have you ever smoked"
"No"
"Have you ever been in a smokey pub or walked by a main road?"
"Yes"
"Here's the price list then"
"Have you ever smoked"
"No"
"Have you ever been in a smokey pub or walked by a main road?"
"Yes"
"Here's the price list then"
True enough, and you could also extend that to physical injuries sustained from alcohol abuse, etc etc. But i think we should make SOME sort of attempt to send the message to the smokers, drinkers and over-eaters of the world that you CANNOT just keep doing those things and expect the taxpayer to dig you out of your hole every time, no pun intended. People only learn when there's a harsh reality at the end of it. Always have, always will.
23 November 2005, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Edd, old arguments but logically flawed, if you think both are comparable. Smoking is self-inflicted, and yes, i'd also advocate withdrawal of automatic NHS rights to lung/throat cancer treatment for smokers. Why should *i* subsidise that?
But, unless you're psychotic, you don't intend to crash your car.
But, unless you're psychotic, you don't intend to crash your car.
If you didn't know you had something like throat cancer until you were in hospital undergoing tests because you had crashed your car, would you be treated for it?
If so, would there be an increase in throat cancer victims crashing their vehicles deliberately?
Just a thought.....
23 November 2005, 12:21 PM
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Plain lunacy, just as i've come to expect from this crap country.
You cant take tax(NI) from people to pay for the NHS, then tell them they cant be treated because they're overweight.
As was posted earlier in this thread, drop the dole-ites and benefit claimers and that will sort it out.
Some of you lot really do have blinkered views on life
You cant take tax(NI) from people to pay for the NHS, then tell them they cant be treated because they're overweight.
As was posted earlier in this thread, drop the dole-ites and benefit claimers and that will sort it out.
Some of you lot really do have blinkered views on life
23 November 2005, 12:22 PM
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I think it is shameful that they are using this as an excuse to relieve their financial burden, which is largely caused by having to pay large salaries to the Trust personnel which are hugely large, top heavy and and inefficient organisations.
If a person is clinically fit to have an operation then they should have the same chance as anyone else.
Doctors should above all stick to the Hippocratic Oath which seems to be being sloughed off these days for the sake of convenience.
Les
If a person is clinically fit to have an operation then they should have the same chance as anyone else.
Doctors should above all stick to the Hippocratic Oath which seems to be being sloughed off these days for the sake of convenience.
Les
23 November 2005, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
George Best?
....or has he gone private?
....or has he gone private?
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23 November 2005, 12:33 PM
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Scenario....
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A bloke that likes to cross-dress at the weekend buys a new pair of high heeled shoes and gets all dolled up in his favourite frock and lippy for a night on the tiles. Unfortunately, whilst doing the tango with his new friend Gary, he breaks a heel and falls to the ground breaking his ankle, collar bone and three false nails. Should he foot the hospital bill, or should he be covered by the NHS?
**Any similarities to any members of SN in this scenario are purely coincidental
**
A bloke that likes to cross-dress at the weekend buys a new pair of high heeled shoes and gets all dolled up in his favourite frock and lippy for a night on the tiles. Unfortunately, whilst doing the tango with his new friend Gary, he breaks a heel and falls to the ground breaking his ankle, collar bone and three false nails. Should he foot the hospital bill, or should he be covered by the NHS?
**Any similarities to any members of SN in this scenario are purely coincidental
23 November 2005, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl 227
Scenario....
**
A bloke that likes to cross-dress at the weekend buys a new pair of high heeled shoes and gets all dolled up in his favourite frock and lippy for a night on the tiles. Unfortunately, whilst doing the tango with his new friend Gary, he breaks a heel and falls to the ground breaking his ankle, collar bone and three false nails. Should he foot the hospital bill, or should he be covered by the NHS?
**Any similarities to any members of SN in this scenario are purely coincidental
**
A bloke that likes to cross-dress at the weekend buys a new pair of high heeled shoes and gets all dolled up in his favourite frock and lippy for a night on the tiles. Unfortunately, whilst doing the tango with his new friend Gary, he breaks a heel and falls to the ground breaking his ankle, collar bone and three false nails. Should he foot the hospital bill, or should he be covered by the NHS?
**Any similarities to any members of SN in this scenario are purely coincidental
23 November 2005, 12:46 PM
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Well lardy people are going to kick the bucket much earlier than skinny beanpoles so surely they can get a rebate on their pension contributions? Maybe this would cover the extra medical expenses
23 November 2005, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl 227
Scenario....
**
A bloke that likes to cross-dress at the weekend buys a new pair of high heeled shoes and gets all dolled up in his favourite frock and lippy for a night on the tiles. Unfortunately, whilst doing the tango with his new friend Gary, he breaks a heel and falls to the ground breaking his ankle, collar bone and three false nails. Should he foot the hospital bill, or should he be covered by the NHS?
**Any similarities to any members of SN in this scenario are purely coincidental
**
A bloke that likes to cross-dress at the weekend buys a new pair of high heeled shoes and gets all dolled up in his favourite frock and lippy for a night on the tiles. Unfortunately, whilst doing the tango with his new friend Gary, he breaks a heel and falls to the ground breaking his ankle, collar bone and three false nails. Should he foot the hospital bill, or should he be covered by the NHS?
**Any similarities to any members of SN in this scenario are purely coincidental
23 November 2005, 12:55 PM
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Scarey, yes,, so does this now contravene the hippocratic oath??
i,m very surprised this has been allowed to happen, what are we going for next
only blonde blue eyed patients will be treated.
once again we are seeing separation and discrimanation..
where will it end
mart
i,m very surprised this has been allowed to happen, what are we going for next
only blonde blue eyed patients will be treated.
once again we are seeing separation and discrimanation..
where will it end
mart
23 November 2005, 01:18 PM
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Lets just face the true reality here - the NHS no longer works. It is inefficient in treating patients promptly, inefficient in use of resources, NOT focused on the needs of its customers, KILLS people through poor hygiene, KILLS people in having poorer clinical care compared with other G8 countries and is a complete b@stardisation of what it was originally intended to provide and operate. Scrap the NHS NOW!! (P.S. Vote Conservative! )
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