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23 November 2005, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mart360
Scarey, yes,, so does this now contravene the hippocratic oath??
i,m very surprised this has been allowed to happen, what are we going for next
only blonde blue eyed patients will be treated.
once again we are seeing separation and discrimanation..
where will it end
i,m very surprised this has been allowed to happen, what are we going for next
only blonde blue eyed patients will be treated.
once again we are seeing separation and discrimanation..
where will it end
Personally, I think if it's a physical health thing then yes, maybe treatment should be allowed. After all, doctors will save lives of their patients, you can't ask them to decide which patients to save and which not. However, 'cosmetic' changes should be paid for privately (liposuction, cosmetic surgery etc.)
23 November 2005, 01:26 PM
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so with a private system - you dont get treated if you're poor rather than if you're fat? (that question to contestant "Karl227"!)
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23 November 2005, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
However, 'cosmetic' changes should be paid for privately (liposuction, cosmetic surgery etc.)
23 November 2005, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
so with a private system - you dont get treated if you're poor rather than if you're fat? (that question to contestant "Karl277"!)
23 November 2005, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl 227
So how about if a bloke that liked to use a lot of rouge on his cheeks during the weekend suffered a bad reaction to it and had to have skin treatment, are you saying that he should have to pay for the treatment himself?
23 November 2005, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Basically, we're asking to treat only those that lead good healty lifestyles. You, know the sort that rarely need to go to a hospital in the first place
No idea of my BMI, but I like to think I look OK, and live a healthy lifestyle per se (I do eat a low fat diet, just lots of it ).I've paid my NI for years and years, and contributed to the government coffers in many other ways, but by your reckoning I shouldnt be allowed to have treatment at hospital?
On the other hand, I have mates that play sports, dont smoke and are "slim" (whatever that means) - they've spent way more time and hours in hospital than me having sporting injuries fettled, or having other things seen to, such as general ailments, mental conditions etc etc.
So I reckon, we should stop all people that do sport from being treated, there must be hundreds of sports injuries each week and they can choose that.
Its just another ridiculous idea put forward by blinkered, no idea idiots who like to think they lead the perfect "healthy" lifestyle with their no smoking, soya eating, water drinking, tree hugging attitude to life.
The NHS should be about treating people, not labels.
23 November 2005, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
I'm slightly overweight, and I smoke. I also never visit the hospital or doctors because luckily I very rarely suffer from illnesses, colds or much else. I'm also fairly fit, and have no problem doing exercise, i'm overweight cos I like food No idea of my BMI, but I like to think I look OK, and live a healthy lifestyle per se (I do eat a low fat diet, just lots of it ).
I've paid my NI for years and years, and contributed to the government coffers in many other ways, but by your reckoning I shouldnt be allowed to have treatment at hospital?
On the other hand, I have mates that play sports, dont smoke and are "slim" (whatever that means) - they've spent way more time and hours in hospital than me having sporting injuries fettled, or having other things seen to, such as general ailments, mental conditions etc etc.
So I reckon, we should stop all people that do sport from being treated, there must be hundreds of sports injuries each week and they can choose that.
Its just another ridiculous idea put forward by blinkered, no idea idiots who like to think they lead the perfect "healthy" lifestyle with their no smoking, soya eating, water drinking, tree hugging attitude to life.
The NHS should be about treating people, not labels.
No idea of my BMI, but I like to think I look OK, and live a healthy lifestyle per se (I do eat a low fat diet, just lots of it ).I've paid my NI for years and years, and contributed to the government coffers in many other ways, but by your reckoning I shouldnt be allowed to have treatment at hospital?
On the other hand, I have mates that play sports, dont smoke and are "slim" (whatever that means) - they've spent way more time and hours in hospital than me having sporting injuries fettled, or having other things seen to, such as general ailments, mental conditions etc etc.
So I reckon, we should stop all people that do sport from being treated, there must be hundreds of sports injuries each week and they can choose that.
Its just another ridiculous idea put forward by blinkered, no idea idiots who like to think they lead the perfect "healthy" lifestyle with their no smoking, soya eating, water drinking, tree hugging attitude to life.
The NHS should be about treating people, not labels.
23 November 2005, 01:44 PM
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I know how you feel. Two of the guys in my office do rock climbing and snow boarding. They have been off work and in hospital quite a few times with torn ligaments etc. Dont treat people who participate in adventure sports?
23 November 2005, 02:01 PM
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I don't mind the NHS not treating overweight people, smokers, alcoholics etc as long as long as:
1) They get a rebate on all past NI payments and a discounted rate going forward
2) Tax & duty are abolished on **** and booze / whatever the self inflicted vice is.
Seems fair enough to me
1) They get a rebate on all past NI payments and a discounted rate going forward
2) Tax & duty are abolished on **** and booze / whatever the self inflicted vice is.
Seems fair enough to me
23 November 2005, 02:16 PM
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Sorry Dream Weaver, i do not agree. People DO have control over these things.
You don't HAVE to smoke.
You don't HAVE to be obese.
You don't HAVE to binge drink.
And on the very specific point you identify, no i *also* don't believe sports injuries should be treated by State funding. That just *isn't* what it was intended for. What this country needs is a little bit more taking responsibility for one's own actions, not relying on being molly-coddled by some antiquated, over-stretched "welfare" system.
You don't HAVE to smoke.
You don't HAVE to be obese.
You don't HAVE to binge drink.
And on the very specific point you identify, no i *also* don't believe sports injuries should be treated by State funding. That just *isn't* what it was intended for. What this country needs is a little bit more taking responsibility for one's own actions, not relying on being molly-coddled by some antiquated, over-stretched "welfare" system.
23 November 2005, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Plain lunacy...
Some of you lot really do have blinkered views on life
Some of you lot really do have blinkered views on life
Sorry, but that's just a soundbyte without foundation. In what specific way am i "blinkered"..??
23 November 2005, 03:32 PM
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I never said any of those things were not controllable, not once. I know everyone can choose and control the state of their health, but where do you draw the line?
So if we dont treat people who are fat or play sport, then we shouldnt treat people who drive too fast and crash, or any other ailment that is brought about by lifestyle.
In which case, we may as well scrap the NHS and go private, so you just pay for using it when you are really unwell - i'd be happy with that and not paying NI.
As for the blinkered views, theres lots of them on Scoobynet, not you in particular. Just read some of the threads in NSR and you'll get the sense of the "perfect" members we have here
So if we dont treat people who are fat or play sport, then we shouldnt treat people who drive too fast and crash, or any other ailment that is brought about by lifestyle.
In which case, we may as well scrap the NHS and go private, so you just pay for using it when you are really unwell - i'd be happy with that and not paying NI.
As for the blinkered views, theres lots of them on Scoobynet, not you in particular. Just read some of the threads in NSR and you'll get the sense of the "perfect" members we have here
23 November 2005, 04:01 PM
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bmi index is a pile of crap,
ive just had an op, she did my height and weight, lookied it up on the table and lo and behold, i,m classed as overweight, a little bit on, and i,m obese..
but i only weigh 13 stone,
at ideal weight, 9.5 stone, i look ill period , the amount of times i would go to the docs to be asked are you ok you look awfull when in reallity i was fine (part from being at the docs)
its just another excuse for new labia to screw more out of us on taxes...
shame really because waasnt it a labour gov who introduced the nhs,,
Mart
ive just had an op, she did my height and weight, lookied it up on the table and lo and behold, i,m classed as overweight, a little bit on, and i,m obese..
but i only weigh 13 stone,
at ideal weight, 9.5 stone, i look ill period , the amount of times i would go to the docs to be asked are you ok you look awfull when in reallity i was fine (part from being at the docs)
its just another excuse for new labia to screw more out of us on taxes...
shame really because waasnt it a labour gov who introduced the nhs,,
Mart
23 November 2005, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Sorry Dream Weaver, i do not agree. People DO have control over these things.
You don't HAVE to smoke.
You don't HAVE to be obese.
You don't HAVE to binge drink.
And on the very specific point you identify, no i *also* don't believe sports injuries should be treated by State funding. That just *isn't* what it was intended for. What this country needs is a little bit more taking responsibility for one's own actions, not relying on being molly-coddled by some antiquated, over-stretched "welfare" system.
You don't HAVE to smoke.
You don't HAVE to be obese.
You don't HAVE to binge drink.
And on the very specific point you identify, no i *also* don't believe sports injuries should be treated by State funding. That just *isn't* what it was intended for. What this country needs is a little bit more taking responsibility for one's own actions, not relying on being molly-coddled by some antiquated, over-stretched "welfare" system.
23 November 2005, 04:04 PM
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LOL NG
But seriously, just try and tell that to a 17 year old. They're more worldly-wise now than ever before - and i don't see that trend reversing anytime soon....
But seriously, just try and tell that to a 17 year old. They're more worldly-wise now than ever before - and i don't see that trend reversing anytime soon....
23 November 2005, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
LOL NG
But seriously, just try and tell that to a 17 year old. They're more worldly-wise now than ever before - and i don't see that trend reversing anytime soon....
But seriously, just try and tell that to a 17 year old. They're more worldly-wise now than ever before - and i don't see that trend reversing anytime soon....
23 November 2005, 04:07 PM
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Like i say, DBW, i think there *could* be criteria within which the NHS could effectively operate. The example that this thread is centred upon is just one of them. I just don't think we need to hold up our hands and say "it's all TOO complicated, we'll treat everyone as equal, whether or not it's somebody who's been smoking 60 **** a day against all medical advice or not". That just smacks of defeatism, and does nothing to deter people from doing the very things that are killing them, in my opinion.
23 November 2005, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
LOL NG
But seriously, just try and tell that to a 17 year old. They're more worldly-wise now than ever before - and i don't see that trend reversing anytime soon....
But seriously, just try and tell that to a 17 year old. They're more worldly-wise now than ever before - and i don't see that trend reversing anytime soon....
