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27 November 2005, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Drag the scum through the streets by their *****!!
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27 November 2005, 11:57 AM
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The Somalians should be punished then deported asap.
How much more of this sort of thing do we need before the government realise its not such a good idea to let these sorts of people settle in this country? They dont just get away from their problems back home, they bring them with them
How much more of this sort of thing do we need before the government realise its not such a good idea to let these sorts of people settle in this country? They dont just get away from their problems back home, they bring them with them
27 November 2005, 12:01 PM
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They put a cheaper price on life than we do ....................
And that is the problem - they die and get 15 Virgins in heaven - we die and leave loved ones behind.
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And that is the problem - they die and get 15 Virgins in heaven - we die and leave loved ones behind.
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27 November 2005, 12:08 PM
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I think we need to step back and take a deep breath and try to understand their problems. They are probably feeling a bit alienated at the moment.
27 November 2005, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
The Somalians should be punished then deported asap.
How much more of this sort of thing do we need before the government realise it’s not such a good idea to let these sorts of people settle in this country? They don’t just get away from their problems back home, they bring them with them
How much more of this sort of thing do we need before the government realise it’s not such a good idea to let these sorts of people settle in this country? They don’t just get away from their problems back home, they bring them with them
Sadly I doubt it will stop. The likes of Tony's dragon of a wife have us held to ransom with the law and all they have to do is play the 'I be persecuted' or 'my life will be in danger' card and they are in for good.
A lot have no papers or documentation or history to check. Our border security is a joke, even in the times we live in. Who know if they are genuine, terrorists or criminals.
A lot of the emerging criminal gangs operating in London etc are eastern European and from Africa. Most have little or no regard for human lives.
The 'wake up' call should have been ten years ago minimum.
All asylum applications should be processed by UK embassies in other countries, ideally the first one an asylum seeker comes across and they must have papers/proof of who they are. They should then be processed and let in if OK.
Arrangements must be set up with the countries these immigrants/asylum seekers come from so they can be returned without fear of reprisal. France for instance has done this successfully.
As for illegal immigrants, all deported and go through the same process as asylum seekers.
Our borders should be policed properly with military help if needed under the control of the police. This would be good training for the military as well.
Our number one priority has to be the safety and security of the British people with the safety of others trying to enter this country second and not the other way around.
We have enough of our own home grown scumbags without along more into this country.
27 November 2005, 12:11 PM
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I think we need to step back and take a deep breath and try to understand their problems. They are probably feeling a bit alienated at the moment.
. They probably had really bad childhoods and just need a little tea and sympathy ....Seriously though this has nothing to do with religion. They are just scum and - if found guilty - should hang for what they did.
27 November 2005, 12:20 PM
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I think we need to step back and take a deep breath and try to understand their problems. They are probably feeling a bit alienated at the moment.
It's interesting that he was only caught when Police were called to 'Some Disturbance' in Birmingham!!!
They are STILL being hidden by a certain community!!
HAND THEM OVER!!!
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27 November 2005, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
I really would like to see the death penalty bought back for this. and any other such incidents.
Me also
27 November 2005, 12:39 PM
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Whilst I don't wish to interrupt the group mouth frothing going on here, did it not occur to anyone that perhaps if we had used our influence on our good friends the Americans, that the Somali's (criminal element included) would not be here in the first place?
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
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27 November 2005, 12:45 PM
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Whilst I don't wish to interrupt the group mouth frothing going on here, did it not occur to anyone that perhaps if we had used our influence on our good friends the Americans, that the Somali's (criminal element included) would not be here in the first place?
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
Asif
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27 November 2005, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Whilst I don't wish to interrupt the group mouth frothing going on here, did it not occur to anyone that perhaps if we had used our influence on our good friends the Americans, that the Somali's (criminal element included) would not be here in the first place?
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
Asif
How did I guess you'd blame either the yanks or the jews?.....
27 November 2005, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Whilst I don't wish to interrupt the group mouth frothing going on here, did it not occur to anyone that perhaps if we had used our influence on our good friends the Americans, that the Somali's (criminal element included) would not be here in the first place?
Just a thought.
Asif
Just a thought.
Asif
Not exacty all the ameriacns fault. I know it is easy to blame them for just about everything but Somalia has enough people bent on trying to be in charge. Murder is an often everyday way of life to some nd makes it easy to control others
Quote from flashpoints.info on Somalia
"The US strenghtened their involvement and got tough after the UN asked them to after there was a massacre of UN people.
The very people sent there to HELP!
Somalia's peace talks are in danger of collapsing and need stronger leadership from mediators, the international community and Somali factions themselves. A serious problem is that faction leaders and civil society representatives are self-appointed, with real risk that the negotiation will produce another "government in exile" unable to provide a working administration inside the country that represents popular will. The 27 October 2002 ceasefire has been violated so often it is practically meaningless. The Leaders Committee of the Conference appears tempted to try for a "quick fix", by declaring an interim government first and leaving details of a durable settlement to be worked out later. If there is to be hope of success, the new chairman and his team must redirect the process toward constructing a comprehensive blueprint for peace and governance. (International Crisis Group Brieifing)
Somalia is located on the Horn of Africa and borders on Djibouti, Ethiopia and Kenya. Today’ Somalia has resulted from the unification of the northern province of British Somaliland and the southeastern province of Italian Somaliland in 1960. Despite the separation of the Somali people during the colonial era, they remain one of the most homogenous and cohesive of Africa’s peoples. Somalis also live in parts of the neighboring states and their attempts at unification have been a source of conflict.
Somalia became independent in 1960 and Said Barre seized power in 1969, proclaiming a socialist regime, but ignoring any of the social and political foundations of socialism. Instead of developing the country, Barre launched military offensives against Ethiopia, attempting to annex the Ogaden plateau region in 1976. Ethiopia repelled the incursions with the aid of Cuban troops and Soviet support. The Soviets withdrew their support of Barre’;s regime.
In the aftermath, Somalia’s economy deteriorated and a weakened Barre assumed authoritarian powers, as the nation plunged into internal discord. In 1991, Mohammad Ali Mahdi assumed power as factional fighting between clans divided the country, with General Mohammad Farah Aidid holding virtual control of the capital Mogadishu. Inter-clan fighting enveloped the nation while the common people starved. During the clan warfare an estimated 300,000 people died and 1.5 million were forced to flee to refuge in neighboring areas.
In response to the famine and human crisis, the UN sent a humanitarian mission and deployed a peacekeeping force in 1992. The heavily armed militias provoked clashes with UN troops and US troops initiated operations to capture Aidid and his lieutenants. This led to the so-called “black hawk down” incident in which 18 US soldiers were killed and subsequently the withdrawal of US forces. UN forces withdrew completely by 1995.
Since then, international efforts to construct a functioning government have continued and a transition government has been created, though few details of its authority and operation have been established. The warlords of Somalia’s clans have all lost influence and territory, but while they continue to oppose the new government, their power is greatly diminished. A general cease-fire is presumably in effect, but there are regular breeches as conflicts flare-up regularly.
It’s a long road from Somalia’s anarchy to a functioning government. Somalis have little experience in governance and few resources with which to work."
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27 November 2005, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Trap2Terrorist
As an impartial observer I too am getting pi55ed off with people of non-indigenous race regularly pulling knives and guns on British streets.
As an example, what the **** was all the rioting about in Brum recently and where are all the criminal prosecutions that should've followed??
Why is such a high percentage of violent crime caused by supposed ethnic minorities? Almost every time there's a robbery, shooting or stabbing reported on the news the suspects are "of asian or african origin". Yes there are exceptions but not many.
People argue (like the Muslim Council of Britain) that's it's a social disease that caused by racism in white, middle class British people. Bollocks I say, they're in a catch 22 situation.
Socially they're poorer people who can't get jobs but who'd give them a job when they're likely to take the **** and "put their hands in the till". Even if this is only a perception in most cases, it's been brought on my their own kind.
I'm not a racist but I do think our immigration is way out of control and needs to be stopped if not reversed.
As an example, what the **** was all the rioting about in Brum recently and where are all the criminal prosecutions that should've followed??
Why is such a high percentage of violent crime caused by supposed ethnic minorities? Almost every time there's a robbery, shooting or stabbing reported on the news the suspects are "of asian or african origin". Yes there are exceptions but not many.
People argue (like the Muslim Council of Britain) that's it's a social disease that caused by racism in white, middle class British people. Bollocks I say, they're in a catch 22 situation.
Socially they're poorer people who can't get jobs but who'd give them a job when they're likely to take the **** and "put their hands in the till". Even if this is only a perception in most cases, it's been brought on my their own kind.
I'm not a racist but I do think our immigration is way out of control and needs to be stopped if not reversed.
So its ok for the indigenous white population to do that then?
As regards Birmingham prosecutions, look it up.
Yes there are exceptions, several millions - not many then you're right!
When did the MCGB ever say that?
Your perceptions dont bear thinking about.
You're clearly not racist, I'll take you at your word. You are however, a tw@t.
27 November 2005, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
I think we need to step back and take a deep breath and try to understand their problems. They are probably feeling a bit alienated at the moment.
Groups of foreigners come here and feel a bit alienated. So they then feel they have no option but to take it upon themselves to setup up criminal gangs, and usually violent ones at that. All makes sense now, our fault again for not being even more welcoming I suppose.
Not everyone has come here to contribute to our society and country. A very large proportion have come here because this is a wealthy country with asylum and immigration systems that are very easy to abuse, full of soft targets, easy pickings and a lot of very naive people.
We have all heard about this terrible gunning down of a woman PC. How many other less serious crimes, that don’t make the front pages, are committed by these types I wonder?
27 November 2005, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
So? Its our fault that these foookwits gunned down two women in OUR streets!!
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Clearly immigration policy was not going to stop them, how else could we have prevented them from coming here?
Perhaps from the source?
27 November 2005, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Oh its all Amercias fault?
How did I guess you'd blame either the yanks or the jews?.....
How did I guess you'd blame either the yanks or the jews?.....
27 November 2005, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Please don't try to paint me as some sort of one track thinking, reactionary, mouth frothing lunatic - that would be yourself.
27 November 2005, 01:03 PM
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The point I made, Mr Lewis, is that if they were not here in the first place, then no it would not have happened.
Clearly immigration policy was not going to stop them, how else could we have prevented them from coming here?
Perhaps from the source?
Clearly immigration policy was not going to stop them, how else could we have prevented them from coming here?
Perhaps from the source?
Lets Nuke Somalia!!!!!!!
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27 November 2005, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Agreed!!
Lets Nuke Somalia!!!!!!!
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Lets Nuke Somalia!!!!!!!
Pete
No... let's just think carefully before letting them into Britian.
Editied to add: Sure you were just joking, but let's not be daft.
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Not exacty all the ameriacns fault. I know it is easy to blame them for just about everything but Somalia has enough people bent on trying to be in charge. Murder is an often everyday way of life to some nd makes it easy to control others
Quote from flashpoints.info on Somalia
"The US strenghtened their involvement and got tough after the UN asked them to after there was a massacre of UN people.
The very people sent there to HELP!
Somalia's peace talks are in danger of collapsing and need stronger leadership from mediators, the international community and Somali factions themselves. A serious problem is that faction leaders and civil society representatives are self-appointed, with real risk that the negotiation will produce another "government in exile" unable to provide a working administration inside the country that represents popular will. The 27 October 2002 ceasefire has been violated so often it is practically meaningless. The Leaders Committee of the Conference appears tempted to try for a "quick fix", by declaring an interim government first and leaving details of a durable settlement to be worked out later. If there is to be hope of success, the new chairman and his team must redirect the process toward constructing a comprehensive blueprint for peace and governance. (International Crisis Group Brieifing)
Somalia is located on the Horn of Africa and borders on Djibouti, Ethiopia and Kenya. Today’ Somalia has resulted from the unification of the northern province of British Somaliland and the southeastern province of Italian Somaliland in 1960. Despite the separation of the Somali people during the colonial era, they remain one of the most homogenous and cohesive of Africa’s peoples. Somalis also live in parts of the neighboring states and their attempts at unification have been a source of conflict.
Somalia became independent in 1960 and Said Barre seized power in 1969, proclaiming a socialist regime, but ignoring any of the social and political foundations of socialism. Instead of developing the country, Barre launched military offensives against Ethiopia, attempting to annex the Ogaden plateau region in 1976. Ethiopia repelled the incursions with the aid of Cuban troops and Soviet support. The Soviets withdrew their support of Barre’;s regime.
In the aftermath, Somalia’s economy deteriorated and a weakened Barre assumed authoritarian powers, as the nation plunged into internal discord. In 1991, Mohammad Ali Mahdi assumed power as factional fighting between clans divided the country, with General Mohammad Farah Aidid holding virtual control of the capital Mogadishu. Inter-clan fighting enveloped the nation while the common people starved. During the clan warfare an estimated 300,000 people died and 1.5 million were forced to flee to refuge in neighboring areas.
In response to the famine and human crisis, the UN sent a humanitarian mission and deployed a peacekeeping force in 1992. The heavily armed militias provoked clashes with UN troops and US troops initiated operations to capture Aidid and his lieutenants. This led to the so-called “black hawk down” incident in which 18 US soldiers were killed and subsequently the withdrawal of US forces. UN forces withdrew completely by 1995.
Since then, international efforts to construct a functioning government have continued and a transition government has been created, though few details of its authority and operation have been established. The warlords of Somalia’s clans have all lost influence and territory, but while they continue to oppose the new government, their power is greatly diminished. A general cease-fire is presumably in effect, but there are regular breeches as conflicts flare-up regularly.
It’s a long road from Somalia’s anarchy to a functioning government. Somalis have little experience in governance and few resources with which to work."
Quote from flashpoints.info on Somalia
"The US strenghtened their involvement and got tough after the UN asked them to after there was a massacre of UN people.
The very people sent there to HELP!
Somalia's peace talks are in danger of collapsing and need stronger leadership from mediators, the international community and Somali factions themselves. A serious problem is that faction leaders and civil society representatives are self-appointed, with real risk that the negotiation will produce another "government in exile" unable to provide a working administration inside the country that represents popular will. The 27 October 2002 ceasefire has been violated so often it is practically meaningless. The Leaders Committee of the Conference appears tempted to try for a "quick fix", by declaring an interim government first and leaving details of a durable settlement to be worked out later. If there is to be hope of success, the new chairman and his team must redirect the process toward constructing a comprehensive blueprint for peace and governance. (International Crisis Group Brieifing)
Somalia is located on the Horn of Africa and borders on Djibouti, Ethiopia and Kenya. Today’ Somalia has resulted from the unification of the northern province of British Somaliland and the southeastern province of Italian Somaliland in 1960. Despite the separation of the Somali people during the colonial era, they remain one of the most homogenous and cohesive of Africa’s peoples. Somalis also live in parts of the neighboring states and their attempts at unification have been a source of conflict.
Somalia became independent in 1960 and Said Barre seized power in 1969, proclaiming a socialist regime, but ignoring any of the social and political foundations of socialism. Instead of developing the country, Barre launched military offensives against Ethiopia, attempting to annex the Ogaden plateau region in 1976. Ethiopia repelled the incursions with the aid of Cuban troops and Soviet support. The Soviets withdrew their support of Barre’;s regime.
In the aftermath, Somalia’s economy deteriorated and a weakened Barre assumed authoritarian powers, as the nation plunged into internal discord. In 1991, Mohammad Ali Mahdi assumed power as factional fighting between clans divided the country, with General Mohammad Farah Aidid holding virtual control of the capital Mogadishu. Inter-clan fighting enveloped the nation while the common people starved. During the clan warfare an estimated 300,000 people died and 1.5 million were forced to flee to refuge in neighboring areas.
In response to the famine and human crisis, the UN sent a humanitarian mission and deployed a peacekeeping force in 1992. The heavily armed militias provoked clashes with UN troops and US troops initiated operations to capture Aidid and his lieutenants. This led to the so-called “black hawk down” incident in which 18 US soldiers were killed and subsequently the withdrawal of US forces. UN forces withdrew completely by 1995.
Since then, international efforts to construct a functioning government have continued and a transition government has been created, though few details of its authority and operation have been established. The warlords of Somalia’s clans have all lost influence and territory, but while they continue to oppose the new government, their power is greatly diminished. A general cease-fire is presumably in effect, but there are regular breeches as conflicts flare-up regularly.
It’s a long road from Somalia’s anarchy to a functioning government. Somalis have little experience in governance and few resources with which to work."
Coupled with a more sensible immigration policy, we might have been able to weed out the criminal elements attempting to get here.
27 November 2005, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Agreed!!
Lets Nuke Somalia!!!!!!!
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Lets Nuke Somalia!!!!!!!
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27 November 2005, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Now, we dont want to use those Trident missles do we? We'd only have to replace them with something more expensive.
As I would love redundancy in 3 years time, then we had better NOT fire them!!
The answer is not to allow them in in the first place ......... lets introduce a points sysytem - you need a certain total before you are allowed to reside here.
One of the requirements is to deposit enough money in a UK Bank to fund your stay ...............
Makes sense to me!!
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27 November 2005, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Well, if I wanted a job for life I would agree, lets use them.
As I would love redundancy in 3 years time, then we had better NOT fire them!!
The answer is not to allow them in in the first place ......... lets introduce a points sysytem - you need a certain total before you are allowed to reside here.
One of the requirements is to deposit enough money in a UK Bank to fund your stay ...............
Makes sense to me!!
Pete
As I would love redundancy in 3 years time, then we had better NOT fire them!!
The answer is not to allow them in in the first place ......... lets introduce a points sysytem - you need a certain total before you are allowed to reside here.
One of the requirements is to deposit enough money in a UK Bank to fund your stay ...............
Makes sense to me!!
Pete
27 November 2005, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Thats fair enough Pete, but does not address the Refugee issue.