AsifScoob

Hi Ben,

Neighbouring to whom please?

Asif

dpb

The original post was *CLEARLY* provocative . Go on,deny it Pete.

The Zohan

Could not agree more Asif

Luan Pra bang

PS. Lewis I have read your rubbish for a while now and sometimes found it funny but now every one knows your game and it seems to me very sad that you have to resort to blatant racism to try and get a thread going . Its the lowest form of trolling and anyone with a scoobynet user name could do the same. I cannot understand why on earth you are allowed to spout this drivel with the sole intention of starting arguments and giving the scoobynet neo-***** a voice when others like Mycroft have been banned for similar things. Trolling with a thread like this is stupid immature, unimaginative and pathetic. I suggest you get out more.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Asif – I was under the impression that when seeking asylum or refuge, it should be with the closest stable neighbouring country from which the individual is fleeing. It’s when you get people travelling thousands of miles across Europe and then making their application with Britain which seems unacceptable to me. To be honest with you, I haven’t taken the time to understand how it is all supposed to work under International Law and so on, so will admit I don’t know. I just know that we do need a more realistic and sensible view towards immigration policy and asylum, as you say, to better weed out the criminal element for example.

Luan Pra Bang – Who are you implying is a Neo-****? Do you actually know what an individual would have to believe in to qualify as a Neo-****? I suppose your wouldn’t hesistate to accuse anybody critising ethic minority groups of being ‘racist’ either? Having concerns about immigration doesn’t make a person a racist or anything like a Neo-****. The vast majority of people expressing opinion about issues covered by threads like this are not extreme minded. These are issues that people want to discuss for good reason.

pslewis

This is what pisses everyone off - and it's going to backfire soon - just because someone mentions something about almost anything it's considered Racist!!

You are plain WRONG!! Ask any of my ethnic friends!!

I DO think there should be a points system and I DO think that immigrants should pay their OWN way .... NOT get hand-outs or steal or supply drugs!!

Pete

pslewis

It has generated a debate, yes ......................

You wish to stiffle active debate then??

Pete

RedFive

Erm... even you must have noticed the UK is an island (or 2)?

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

RedFive

You mean you didn't ?

Try reading it again. Slowly this time.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

What’s your point? A neighbouring country doesn’t have to be physically connected by land if that’s what your trying to say. France could be considered as our ‘neighbours’.

Why are you taking the tone that you are anyway? Something I’ve posted got your back up and this is your way of expressing that?

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

So if you live in a detatched house, you dont have neighbours?

Brit_in_Japan

Where do you get that from? Can you substantiate your statement that "a very large percentage" of immigrants/foreigners are here to abuse the system? I seriously doubt it, so I challenge you to provide a link to some evidence of that.

You obviously don't understand EU Law. Those claiming asylum in an EU country must claim in the first EU country they arrive at. If they try to claim asylum in the UK but first entered the EU in Spain, they are sent to Spain to make their asylum claim. This is the current situation. The UK has tightened rules on immigration/asylum to the UK in the past few years. The official statics bear this out :-http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hosb1305.pdf

Applications for asylum:-
2002 - 84,130 applicants
2003 - 50,405
2004 - 33,960

Neutral Cruiser

Listen pally. The 'UK' hasn't tightened them nearly enough. As for the random figures you post - so what? The government lies. Period. Undesireable people have FLOODED into this country, and it's become even more of a ****hole because of it. Don't be such a wet blanket. Your figures are one thing. What is going on in this country is another and is abundantly clear, and it's absolutely ruining it. End of. Nothing more to say. End of topic. Everyone log out now.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Brit_in_Japan – What do you think makes Britain such an attractive prospective? There are hundreds of thousands residing here in the UK who have no entitlement to be here. They can’t find legal employment so a proportion turn to crime. It is pretty obvious to most people that much organised crime is now in the hands of immigrant gangs. I can’t provide the figures you request as nobody knows for certain how much crime they are responsible for. If all is well, can you explain why three asylum seekers, armed, gunned down a WPC?

I have nothing against controlled immigration and welcome those who come here to work hard for the benefit of this country, integrate, providing skills and labour that we need. Would you like some figures regarding the government’s failure to deport failed asylum seekers by the way?

Regarding your second point about deporting people to the appropriate country such that they can make a legal asylum claim under EU Law. There are many loops holes. What happens when they destroy their documents such that we have no idea of their identity or previous movements? Also if they can prove they have been here for 7 years I believe they then have the right to stay. Many enter illegally and then just wait to gain citizenship in one way or another as time elapses. This is my point – these systems need an overhaul.

How long have you been in Japan by the way? You may have lost touch a bit if your just keeping upto speed on the state of things through BBC News 24 and so on.

pslewis

I wondered who were the most wanted men in the Met.

http://www.met.police.uk/wanted

Pete

Neutral Cruiser

Is that the U.K's most wanted?

pslewis

I think its just in London ............ I doubt that any around the country would look different

Pete

Brit_in_Japan

I don't think we're that far apart really. Some people seem to think that all immigration is bad whereas I think the majority want to come and work and are a benefit to the economy. I wanted to make the point that immigration is not de facto bad, as some on here would like to make out. For example the WPC who died had the surname Beshenivsky, so clearly her husband/father had been an immigrant to the UK at some point.

The UK does seem to be poor at stopping illegal immigration however and even worse at making sure that those who have outstayed their welcome are made to leave. That needs to be sorted out.

As for the 3 who gunned down the WPC, at least one is British born so therefore cannot be an asylum seeker. I don't know the status of the other two, I've not seen "asylum seeker" written anywhere although it's been stated they were Somali born.

I don't disagree about the need for an overhaul. If there are loop holes then they should be closed. Identity cards might help us identify those people who are not here legally, provided they are forgery proof. I'm not a fan of identity cards in general, I don't think they will really help prevent terrorism, but they may help to identify those here illegally. Of course the downside maybe that you will force any illegals into crime because they will have no options to work here "legally".

I'll be back in the UK over Christmas/New Year. It's 12 months since I was back last. I may be returning to live in the UK full time next year so I guess I'll see for myself soon enough.

Neutral Cruiser

I feel really envious of Australia. Definately the best County in the world, and oh... it's got the most sensible immigration policies. (Apart from certain middle-eastern countries where most decent people are too ****-scared to go there in the first place, besides the likelyhood of them being able to stay there in comfort being non-existent)

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

I also believe that our thinking isn't that far appart. I will however be interested to hear if your opinions change once you return to the UK. My farther lives in Hong Kong and has done for over 5 years. He recently came back for a few weeks and commented on just how much the country seems to have changed since he left.

StickyMicky

edit as about 5 posts sprung up before i actually posted this