What is it with people eh??????
26 November 2005, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaydee5
At the risk of being boring I'll say it again.
HE WAS ILL. ALCOHOLICS ARE ILL.
I hope all the self righteous folk can pass the same comments about cancer sufferers, or victims of heart attacks and strokes.
HE WAS ILL. ALCOHOLICS ARE ILL.
I hope all the self righteous folk can pass the same comments about cancer sufferers, or victims of heart attacks and strokes.
I wonder would everybody who has all this sympathy for George Best as he was an alcoholic, would you extend that sympathy to anyone that is an alcoholic? Or is it just the selected few? If Ian Huntley was to drink himself to death would we still be showing the same sympathy?
I think it is the worst thing that there are threads everywhere on the net slagging off the guy, he died and now is not the time to disrespect him but he was not ill, he chose the path.
26 November 2005, 10:56 AM
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"I see, so theres no cure for Alcoholism is there? Maybe Stopping would be a sufficent cure."
It's an addicition as well as an illness. If it was that easy to stop, don't you think he (and every other person who suffers from it) would? There are an estimated 30000 deaths every year from alcohol related diseases in the UK alone.
I think a little more compassion could be shown by an awful lot of people replying to these threads.
It's an addicition as well as an illness. If it was that easy to stop, don't you think he (and every other person who suffers from it) would? There are an estimated 30000 deaths every year from alcohol related diseases in the UK alone.
I think a little more compassion could be shown by an awful lot of people replying to these threads.
26 November 2005, 10:57 AM
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I personally would rather hear about Richard Burns.
Here we have a tragedy, a young man of 34 who hadn't decided to p1ss his life away with booze and was struck by a brain tumour in his prime.
What happened to George was pre-determined by his own actions and lifestyle, what happened to Richard was tragic.
Here we have a tragedy, a young man of 34 who hadn't decided to p1ss his life away with booze and was struck by a brain tumour in his prime.
What happened to George was pre-determined by his own actions and lifestyle, what happened to Richard was tragic.
26 November 2005, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
"I see, so theres no cure for Alcoholism is there? Maybe Stopping would be a sufficent cure."
It's an addicition as well as an illness. If it was that easy to stop, don't you think he (and every other person who suffers from it) would? There are an estimated 30000 deaths every year from alcohol related diseases in the UK alone.
I think a little more compassion could be shown by an awful lot of people replying to these threads.
It's an addicition as well as an illness. If it was that easy to stop, don't you think he (and every other person who suffers from it) would? There are an estimated 30000 deaths every year from alcohol related diseases in the UK alone.
I think a little more compassion could be shown by an awful lot of people replying to these threads.
The addiction can be in various stages and can vary as to how hard it is to stop but it can be done. The people who die through it do so because they dont want to stop drinking, if they did then as you say they would. You make out that once you start drinking that is it.
26 November 2005, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by burbs
Can i just say though Alocohlics are not ill, they can stop drinking at anytime, it would be hard in most cases but it takes support and willpower. George had the supprt he couldnt find the willpower, hence the reason many people dont see why there is such sympathy. Comparing alcohlics to cancer sufferers is not possible.
I wonder would everybody who has all this sympathy for George Best as he was an alcoholic, would you extend that sympathy to anyone that is an alcoholic? Or is it just the selected few? If Ian Huntley was to drink himself to death would we still be showing the same sympathy?
I think it is the worst thing that there are threads everywhere on the net slagging off the guy, he died and now is not the time to disrespect him but he was not ill, he chose the path.
I wonder would everybody who has all this sympathy for George Best as he was an alcoholic, would you extend that sympathy to anyone that is an alcoholic? Or is it just the selected few? If Ian Huntley was to drink himself to death would we still be showing the same sympathy?
I think it is the worst thing that there are threads everywhere on the net slagging off the guy, he died and now is not the time to disrespect him but he was not ill, he chose the path.
26 November 2005, 11:16 AM
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Without wanting to get too far off the topic. Alocoholism is classified as a disease / illness, by both the British Medical Association and the American Medical Association. It is also thought to have connections to mental illness.
The point is that he knew what would happen and he couldn't stop. It's no different to a smoker carrying on after a lung transplant. This view that he brought it up on himself and therefore deserves no sympathy is abhorent.
The point is that he knew what would happen and he couldn't stop. It's no different to a smoker carrying on after a lung transplant. This view that he brought it up on himself and therefore deserves no sympathy is abhorent.
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26 November 2005, 11:19 AM
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The poor bloke made same mistakes in his life, who doesn't?
Seems a bit harsh that people judge him from what the read in 'The Sun' or 'The Mirror'....coz we all know everything they print is true don't we.
How do we know how our lives would have turned out if we had millions of pounds, lived in a drinking culture, and could have almost anything we wanted.
Fair play to the guy....RIP
Seems a bit harsh that people judge him from what the read in 'The Sun' or 'The Mirror'....coz we all know everything they print is true don't we.
How do we know how our lives would have turned out if we had millions of pounds, lived in a drinking culture, and could have almost anything we wanted.
Fair play to the guy....RIP
26 November 2005, 11:29 AM
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It sounds like a lot of people are making excuses for him. I dont recall him ever standing up and admitting he had a problem....
And we can certainly forget him ever admitting htat slapping women around was wrong.
Oh and finally Pele says lots of things at times like this. Doesnt mean even he believes it.
And we can certainly forget him ever admitting htat slapping women around was wrong.
Oh and finally Pele says lots of things at times like this. Doesnt mean even he believes it.
26 November 2005, 11:33 AM
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Well said Chris L. I am on George's side here btw and he could have had my liver if that scenario had existed. 59 is not such a bad age to go. May be 10 years short but George was never going to be a boring 80 year old. In that 59 years he packed in more than most. He was the Hendrix of soccer, absolute natural raw talent, fantastic. The world would be a lot more fun if there were more characters like GB around.
Good on yer mate
Good on yer mate
26 November 2005, 11:35 AM
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What is it with people???
Is a open ended question, as it has a question mark and can be answered with more than Yes or No (A Closed question).
The answer is .... freedom of speech, to answer your question!
Don't ask the question, if you do not think you will like the answer.
He was a fantastic talent from Northern Ireland.
He was an addict who could not stop himself
He was given a second chance.
He drunk himself to a grave.
I cannot say why, as I did not know or speak to him personally.
The End...
Is a open ended question, as it has a question mark and can be answered with more than Yes or No (A Closed question).
The answer is .... freedom of speech, to answer your question!
Don't ask the question, if you do not think you will like the answer.
He was a fantastic talent from Northern Ireland.
He was an addict who could not stop himself
He was given a second chance.
He drunk himself to a grave.
I cannot say why, as I did not know or speak to him personally.
The End...
26 November 2005, 11:38 AM
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I agree absolutely with Paulr and Eclaire.
It seems shameful that when he was dying and on the day that he died, that some people felt they had to show their total lack of respect and lack of generosity of spirit to run him down and also to attempt to make cheap and puerile jokes at his expense.
He was one of the most skillful of footballers ever and he was held in great respect by all who knew him despite his mistakes and the effect that alcohol had on him. All his close friends, and there are many of those, say what a great person he was to know with a tremendous character.
Of course he has paid for his mistakes with his death and that is enough of a penalty for anyone to pay.
It might be worth remembering that he asked for all his organs to be donated after his death including the liver which is still in good condition.
It would ge good if we all just showed a bit of respect for him and remembered the good bits of his life at this time instead of metaphorically kicking him in the teeth!
Les
It seems shameful that when he was dying and on the day that he died, that some people felt they had to show their total lack of respect and lack of generosity of spirit to run him down and also to attempt to make cheap and puerile jokes at his expense.
He was one of the most skillful of footballers ever and he was held in great respect by all who knew him despite his mistakes and the effect that alcohol had on him. All his close friends, and there are many of those, say what a great person he was to know with a tremendous character.
Of course he has paid for his mistakes with his death and that is enough of a penalty for anyone to pay.
It might be worth remembering that he asked for all his organs to be donated after his death including the liver which is still in good condition.
It would ge good if we all just showed a bit of respect for him and remembered the good bits of his life at this time instead of metaphorically kicking him in the teeth!
Les
26 November 2005, 12:04 PM
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Claire, sorry it wasnt an ar$ey post just directed towards you, its fustration that people on hear things they want to sometimes, yeah he enjoyed a drink too many, yeah hes hit his wife, yeah he drunk drove on numerous occasions, Im not saying he was a great bloke. he had a very bad side to him, but he had alot of good in him too and I'll choose to remember him for the footballing legend he always was and always will be. with a talent he had he brought alot of light into alot of lives, many a footballer today might not have been here if it wasnt for the inspiration he gave to them as children......
That all said, Im sorry if I sounded like an ar$e yesterday. Bad day and all that
That all said, Im sorry if I sounded like an ar$e yesterday. Bad day and all that
26 November 2005, 01:15 PM
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Whether people like it or not Bestie was a hero to millions around the world.
Ok he died young at 59 but at least he did'nt waste the years that he lived did he. I bet he enjoyed every minute of it and if he's up there now looking down I suspect he'll be smiling from ear to ear at all the stuff thats being written about him.
Chip
Ok he died young at 59 but at least he did'nt waste the years that he lived did he. I bet he enjoyed every minute of it and if he's up there now looking down I suspect he'll be smiling from ear to ear at all the stuff thats being written about him.
Chip
26 November 2005, 01:35 PM
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i think the point is why all the publicity? he died because of alcholisum, not cancer it was self inflicted thats the difference, the man was also a wife beater, great guy
26 November 2005, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FASTER MIKE!!
i think the point is why all the publicity?
2:Not much else to report aprt from the dozy buggers stuck in the snow on Bodmin Moor.
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26 November 2005, 05:32 PM
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Alcoholism is a terrible thing. If we must chastise anyone then i think the government are a load of ******* for positively encouraging people to drink their asses off, but bang them up when they get involved in substances that are no more harmful. My mother was almost killed by alcohol, and was dispensed from quite a prestigious job. These people are guilty of nothing more than being weak, and merely consuming to excess the very stuff made so available by a goivernment who 'cares so greatly for us', and then bans and controls things that can heal us but are not taxed.
F*** the system.
F*** the system.
26 November 2005, 08:37 PM
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Today, I am full of respect and remorse, so tomorrow can I bitch about him ?
He was a good football player but he knocked women about and drank himself to death, see the respect doesnt last long and I cannot see why we have to bite our lips because he died, a load of fuss has been stirred up for the sake of one footballer, why is it we can be awful to people when they are alive, slate them and take the p1ss but the minute they die we have to keep quiet and be reverential.
RESPECT PEOPLE WHILE THEY ARE ALIVE, THEY DONT GET THE BENEFIT ONCE THEY ARE DEAD !
He was a good football player but he knocked women about and drank himself to death, see the respect doesnt last long and I cannot see why we have to bite our lips because he died, a load of fuss has been stirred up for the sake of one footballer, why is it we can be awful to people when they are alive, slate them and take the p1ss but the minute they die we have to keep quiet and be reverential.
RESPECT PEOPLE WHILE THEY ARE ALIVE, THEY DONT GET THE BENEFIT ONCE THEY ARE DEAD !
26 November 2005, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Markus
. Oh, respect, ah, I see, right, so on the day someone dies, we're all meant to lay off and be all nice,
...Thanks Leslie
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26 November 2005, 11:15 PM
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Paul,
Why should I keep quiet on the day of his death and then comment after, as I would have before, that he was an ex-footballer who drank far too much. I'd bitch about him before, on and after the day of his death. If I personally knew the chap, then it might be somewhat different, but I don't and I do not think that many on here know him personally or are part of his family, if I did then I might have a little more respect, but to me he's just another face in the crowd.
Respect where it is due but a boozy woman beater does not get much respect from me.
Why should I keep quiet on the day of his death and then comment after, as I would have before, that he was an ex-footballer who drank far too much. I'd bitch about him before, on and after the day of his death. If I personally knew the chap, then it might be somewhat different, but I don't and I do not think that many on here know him personally or are part of his family, if I did then I might have a little more respect, but to me he's just another face in the crowd.
Respect where it is due but a boozy woman beater does not get much respect from me.
27 November 2005, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Markus
Paul,
Respect where it is due ..............
Respect where it is due ..............
As EClaire put is so well,isn't death a big enough punishment for his imperfections, without everyone laying into him as well.
27 November 2005, 12:45 PM
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Quite right Paul.
Chip,
If you were in a line of traffic which was stopped because two lorries got stuck on a hill in the snow in front of you and blocked the road, would you be a "dozy bugger" too?
Les
Chip,
If you were in a line of traffic which was stopped because two lorries got stuck on a hill in the snow in front of you and blocked the road, would you be a "dozy bugger" too?
Les
27 November 2005, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Quite right Paul.
Chip,
If you were in a line of traffic which was stopped because two lorries got stuck on a hill in the snow in front of you and blocked the road, would you be a "dozy bugger" too?
Les
Chip,
If you were in a line of traffic which was stopped because two lorries got stuck on a hill in the snow in front of you and blocked the road, would you be a "dozy bugger" too?
Les
Actually had a job booked in for St Blazes in Cornwall for last Friday which was postponed due to the forthcoming bad weather. The people saying the forecasters got it wrong were talking crap I'm afraid.
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I have no feelings either way for George Best, he was a brilliant footballer, but that is it.
The fact he wasted his life and his talent are no one's fault but his own.
But the fact that at every football ground yesterday was a minutes silence for the guy makes me sick when young tragic Richard Burns only got a brief mention on the news. This guy so wanted to live and return to rallying and it was cruelly snatched away, yet the focus of the country was on a guy who plainly didn't give a **** about living or what the effect would be on his family.
RIP Richard, see ya George.
The fact he wasted his life and his talent are no one's fault but his own.
But the fact that at every football ground yesterday was a minutes silence for the guy makes me sick when young tragic Richard Burns only got a brief mention on the news. This guy so wanted to live and return to rallying and it was cruelly snatched away, yet the focus of the country was on a guy who plainly didn't give a **** about living or what the effect would be on his family.
RIP Richard, see ya George.