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28 November 2005, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
But, the facts are out there - you just have to look:
"Unemployment rates for Muslims are higher than those for people from any other religion, for both men and women.
In 2003-2004, Muslims had the highest male unemployment rate in Great Britain. At 14 per cent, this was over three times the rate for Christian men (4 per cent). Unemployment rates for men in the other religious groups were between 5 and 11 per cent.
Among women, Muslims again had the highest unemployment rate, at 15 per cent. This was almost four times the rate for Christian women (4 per cent). Hindus (11 per cent) and Buddhists (10 per cent) had the next highest rates. Unemployment rates for women in the other religious groups were between 5 and 8 per cent.
Unemployment rates were highest among those aged under 25 for all the religious groups. Muslims aged 16 to 24 years had the highest unemployment rates of all. They were twice as likely as Christians of the same age to be unemployed – 22 per cent compared with 11 per cent."
Nothing racist there. Only the truth.
"Unemployment rates for Muslims are higher than those for people from any other religion, for both men and women.
In 2003-2004, Muslims had the highest male unemployment rate in Great Britain. At 14 per cent, this was over three times the rate for Christian men (4 per cent). Unemployment rates for men in the other religious groups were between 5 and 11 per cent.
Among women, Muslims again had the highest unemployment rate, at 15 per cent. This was almost four times the rate for Christian women (4 per cent). Hindus (11 per cent) and Buddhists (10 per cent) had the next highest rates. Unemployment rates for women in the other religious groups were between 5 and 8 per cent.
Unemployment rates were highest among those aged under 25 for all the religious groups. Muslims aged 16 to 24 years had the highest unemployment rates of all. They were twice as likely as Christians of the same age to be unemployed – 22 per cent compared with 11 per cent."
Nothing racist there. Only the truth.
But what does it tell us? It could be that all Muslims are lazy, workshy, good-for-nothings who spend all their waking hours going to the mosque then making baombs in their spare time. Or it could be that they struggle to get a job because there's a pretty well-developed anti-white culture in the UK.
A further distinction might be that Muslims tend to make up part of the poorest socio-ecenomic group in the UK, and that unemployment amongst the poorest, least skilled elements is always high.
The fact is that for Christian (for which reads 'white') people in the UK, unemployment isn't really an issue. For anyone else, it is.
Re Chip's comment, the prison population is almost exclusively made up of the poor. Just the facts there, nothing that any sociologist couln't tell you. And the poorest people in the UK are non-white. Are you surprised that there's such an over-representation in the prison population of ethnic groups?
28 November 2005, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by the moose
But what does it tell us? It could be that all Muslims are lazy, workshy, good-for-nothings who spend all their waking hours going to the mosque then making baombs in their spare time. Or it could be that they struggle to get a job because there's a pretty well-developed anti-white culture in the UK.
The education picture helps to explain, I think. There is a clear correlation between level of education and unemployment.
People of working age with no qualifiations: by religion, 2003-2004, GB
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=963
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28 November 2005, 10:06 AM
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Re Chip's comment, the prison population is almost exclusively made up of the poor. Just the facts there, nothing that any sociologist couln't tell you. And the poorest people in the UK are non-white. Are you surprised that there's such an over-representation in the prison population of ethnic groups?
Most ethnic minority groups have a younger age profile than the white population and, in simple terms, more children means more poverty. In some communities average family size is large: 43% of Bangladeshi and 33% of Pakistani families contain four or more children, compared with 4% of white families. Lone parenthood, which is particularly pronounced in some ethnic minority groups (half of Caribbean mothers are single and never married), is closely associated with poverty.
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28 November 2005, 10:22 AM
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Like i said they come, or are born here and breed like rabbits. No arguement. This creates even more of a drain on society even if they are well behaved as some would argue. You tell me how likely you would be to go over to their indigenous countries and be out of work, produce many offspring, and be supported and in alot of cases housed by the state the more children you have. NOT VERY LIKELY is it?? Then assuming you did recieve all this as a foreigner in their country you then start to build places of worship that were nothing to do with their faith, and in 'some' instances actually propagandise against the people of that country. Am i starting to make you laugh at how far-fetched it sounds? Ha Ha.
Well it's ****ing happening over here in this country.
Wake up anyone who hasn't noticed. 
Well it's ****ing happening over here in this country.
Wake up anyone who hasn't noticed.
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28 November 2005, 10:37 AM
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I am not racist in any kind of way, but Muslims must accept that if others from their religion continue to kill innocent people there will obviously be a backlash.
As with most things in life, the minority spoil it for the majority.
As with most things in life, the minority spoil it for the majority.
28 November 2005, 10:40 AM
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I've no problem with ethnic minorities.
My problem is with forced integration and the "type" of immigrant we seem to welcome into the country. I'd feel equally the same if I lived in Bangladesh and we accepted masses of scummy Brits.
High crime - high immigration/ethnic diversity - doesn't take a professor to work it out does it.
My problem is with forced integration and the "type" of immigrant we seem to welcome into the country. I'd feel equally the same if I lived in Bangladesh and we accepted masses of scummy Brits.
High crime - high immigration/ethnic diversity - doesn't take a professor to work it out does it.
28 November 2005, 10:45 AM
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Islamophobia is a nationwide sentiment( due to ignorance,obviously )at the moment and it is a myth if the whole race has to be blamed for London bombing etc etc.My feeling is that minority often receives negative attention and natives always attack on race
But that is completely separate from race and I don't blame any race for the bombings or terrorist attacks in the world, I blame Islam. Remember there are several high-profile cases of white Muslims too.
And it is a danger to the West, there is no doubt. The major problem is the apathy (wrong word possibly) of moderate Muslims to not do anything against their more extreme members. (Islamic societies don't tend towards liberalism, they seem to become more "penitent" and get harsher)
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28 November 2005, 12:32 PM
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Hi BillBill, good to see you back.
Nearly all the posts I have seen are not complaining at the ethnic minorities, foreigners, immigrants, or whatever you want to call them.
The real feeling is against the PC lentil eaters who come out with these ridiculous edicts and rules which they say is to avoid upsetting those people and which neither we nor the foreigners/immigrants/ethnic minorites can understand the reasoning behind them.
This is the attitude from these PC idiots which is dragging this country down.
I know there have been a few racist posts but I think somehow that you are generalising too much.
Les
Nearly all the posts I have seen are not complaining at the ethnic minorities, foreigners, immigrants, or whatever you want to call them.
The real feeling is against the PC lentil eaters who come out with these ridiculous edicts and rules which they say is to avoid upsetting those people and which neither we nor the foreigners/immigrants/ethnic minorites can understand the reasoning behind them.
This is the attitude from these PC idiots which is dragging this country down.
I know there have been a few racist posts but I think somehow that you are generalising too much.
Les
28 November 2005, 03:47 PM
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Housing tenure
The tenure patterns of those on low income also vary by ethnic group:
Pakistani families are much more likely to own their own homes than other groups.
White UK families have the highest proportion living in local authority/housing association housing of all groups and the smallest proportion living as private tenants.
Bangladeshi families have tenure patterns closer to the white UK families than to Pakistani families.
The tenure patterns of those on low income also vary by ethnic group:
Pakistani families are much more likely to own their own homes than other groups.
White UK families have the highest proportion living in local authority/housing association housing of all groups and the smallest proportion living as private tenants.
Bangladeshi families have tenure patterns closer to the white UK families than to Pakistani families.
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28 November 2005, 04:01 PM
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The table showing Muslim unemployment levels is related to the countries in which people come from rather than a religious issue. Specifically people from Bangaladesh and Pakistan have high unemployment rates. Up to 60 percent of people from these countries are poor. Indian people have the same employment levels of white people in the UK but while the majority of them are Hindu or Sikh a large amount are still Muslim (like my family) and show that it is a country issue more than a religious one.
28 November 2005, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
The table showing Muslim unemployment levels is related to the countries in which people come from rather than a religious issue. Specifically people from Bangaladesh and Pakistan have high unemployment rates. Up to 60 percent of people from these countries are poor. Indian people have the same employment levels of white people in the UK but while the majority of them are Hindu or Sikh a large amount are still Muslim (like my family) and show that it is a country issue more than a religious one.
You sound like that girl Vicki Parker - "yeah but , no but, yeah but , no but,........ whatever!!
28 November 2005, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Neutral Cruiser
The people that are pissed off on this site (and in this country) are on about Muslims and Asians as a whole flooding the country, Palestinians, Bangladeshes, Indians you name it.
(a) "Flooding the country" is utterly OTT, though I accept this depends on your definition of flooding
(b) Are you bothered about Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders, Americans? Because we get lots of these.
(c) what about Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians? Because these people make up the majority of the immigrants to the UK at present.
In short, is it the racial background of the immigrant or just the fact that they are an immigrant which is your central concern?
28 November 2005, 07:44 PM
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Racial background.
Come on man are you swarmed by 'Australians' when you get on a tube. Are Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, London, etc jam-packed with 'Hungarians' wherever you look? Don't think so!
Get real.
Come on man are you swarmed by 'Australians' when you get on a tube. Are Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, London, etc jam-packed with 'Hungarians' wherever you look? Don't think so!
Get real.
28 November 2005, 09:11 PM
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(b) Are you bothered about Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders, Americans? Because we get lots of these.
(c) what about Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians? Because these people make up the majority of the immigrants to the UK at present
(c) what about Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians? Because these people make up the majority of the immigrants to the UK at present
In London there are so many Aussies/South Africans/New Zealanders all working in IT and happy to accept less than the market rate because its still more than what they can earn at home. What does that do to the market? Drives wages down and means there are foreigners being given jobs that Brits should be getting who are currently unemployed due to redundancy and whatever else.
Fine thats just free markets at play you may think but where do you draw the line at how many foreigners should be taking jobs that unemployed Brits could be doing?
I go to my local supermarket and there is always a bus load of Eastern Europeans wandering around. What are they doing here? Working cheaply if not illegally at local farms?
Time the Government looked after Brits first and then when there are more jobs than workers actually let foreigners come into to fill those extra jobs
Hell will freeze over before that ever happens as we all know the Government are more interested in letting anyone cross our borders including terrorists such as Abu Hamza and give them jobs and free houses and weekly handouts
29 November 2005, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Neutral Cruiser
Racial background.
Come on man are you swarmed by 'Australians' when you get on a tube. Are Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, London, etc jam-packed with 'Hungarians' wherever you look? Don't think so!
Get real.
Come on man are you swarmed by 'Australians' when you get on a tube. Are Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, London, etc jam-packed with 'Hungarians' wherever you look? Don't think so!
Get real.
Here are the stats for net immigration into the UK in 2004:-
Immigration from EU countries has jumped a lot, largely due to the enlargement of the EU and more people coming from Poland, Baltic states etc. Hungary is not a member of the EU and therefore their citizens do not have the automatic right to come to the UK to work.
There has been a rise in immigrants from "old Commonwealth" countries too, i.e. Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa.
From "New Commonwealth" countries there has also been an increase immigration, mostly from Africa
...about 160,000 immigrants entered from the rest of the world, though this figure has dropped compared to 2002 and 2003.
So if you think that the number of immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh or other Muslim countries are disproportionate to those of other nations then you are mistaken.
29 November 2005, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
So if you think that the number of immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh or other Muslim countries are disproportionate to those of other nations then you are mistaken.
I certainly havent seen whole communities of Auzzies,walking round in shorts and cork encrusted hats,building replica outback pubs then blowing up cans of fosters because they aint happy...
Does anyone actually have an accurate figure of how many pakistani,bangladeshi and all people from other muslim countries are in this country?
29 November 2005, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Neutral Cruiser
Racial background.
Come on man are you swarmed by 'Australians' when you get on a tube. Are Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, London, etc jam-packed with 'Hungarians' wherever you look? Don't think so!
Get real.
Come on man are you swarmed by 'Australians' when you get on a tube. Are Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, London, etc jam-packed with 'Hungarians' wherever you look? Don't think so!
Get real.
What you appear to be saying, and you'll perhaps forgive me for making the assumption, is that you discriminate not on the question of citizenship, but on race, and that you're neutral to white immigrants, but negative to dark-skinned immigrants.
Dictionary.com has the following definition:
rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1 The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2 Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
29 November 2005, 11:40 AM
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1 The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
There are obvious, well documented differences in human character and abilities based on race. We are not all equal that is a fact, Darwin and evolutionists would agree otherwise they make a mockery of their beliefs.
Black people are able to withstand longer periods in hot sun than your average Scottish person for example.
29 November 2005, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Black people are able to withstand longer periods in hot sun than your average Scottish person for example.
.And nobody can play Rugby like All those black ******* from NZ
29 November 2005, 05:03 PM
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Luan pra Bang and Brit in Japan i have respect for what your saying and particularly the presentation skills of Brit in Japan. You're both obviously not dummy's but...
I don't need anyone to tell me that the country contains millions of over-religious money-grabbing, society draining ''Australians'', because it would be bollocks!
You can argue what you like. It's as stupid as saying black is white (which ironically you practically are!)
Get a grip fella's these flipping mosques ain't filling up with fun-loving Aussies you know......... FFS!
I don't need anyone to tell me that the country contains millions of over-religious money-grabbing, society draining ''Australians'', because it would be bollocks!
You can argue what you like. It's as stupid as saying black is white (which ironically you practically are!)
Get a grip fella's these flipping mosques ain't filling up with fun-loving Aussies you know......... FFS!
29 November 2005, 05:20 PM
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certainly havent seen whole communities of Auzzies,walking round in shorts and cork encrusted hats,building replica outback pubs then blowing up cans of fosters because they aint happy
They do build aussi and kiwi pubs though like the Red Back and the Walkabout etc
29 November 2005, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Neutral Cruiser
Luan pra Bang and Brit in Japan i have respect for what your saying and particularly the presentation skills of Brit in Japan. You're both obviously not dummy's but...
I don't need anyone to tell me that the country contains millions of over-religious money-grabbing, society draining ''Australians'', because it would be bollocks!
You can argue what you like. It's as stupid as saying black is white (which ironically you practically are!)
Get a grip fella's these flipping mosques ain't filling up with fun-loving Aussies you know......... FFS!
I don't need anyone to tell me that the country contains millions of over-religious money-grabbing, society draining ''Australians'', because it would be bollocks!
You can argue what you like. It's as stupid as saying black is white (which ironically you practically are!)
Get a grip fella's these flipping mosques ain't filling up with fun-loving Aussies you know......... FFS!
I live in a town with a population of around 60k, we have large mosque here and they are after planning permission for one of the same size or bigger to be built as they are spilling over in to the car park.
In the course of my week, it would be very rare for me to hear even one aussie or kiwi voice.
I dont know what you make of this
