fatscoobyfella

Where abouts you live Robbie??In certain area's in the Uk you will be lucky to hear an english accent,never mind Oz or Kiwi !!!!

Luan Pra bang

I employ 2 estonains
1 slovakian
4 Poles
6 English
2 Indians
1 Turk
1 Romanian
1 person from ghana
1 greek-cypriot

Only three of the English staff perform with the same attitude and effort as the non-English staff. English are in general workshy lazy *******s

Luan Pra bang

In the last year I have also had Moldovans Ukranians Lithuanians and god knows who else.

Billbill

Only 3 out of six?? But that is 50 percent!!! Your generalization seems to be a bit biased!
Certainly glad you don't employ any Americans then. That would be a tragedy!!

Billbill

If you find someone lazy and non productive why do you continue their employment??
Charity?? Lack of managerial skills, on your part? Or are they temporary??

Luan Pra bang

English mentality at work is generally to do their job and get by. Foreign mentality is to work as hard as possible to prove yourself all the time to secure more respect money and promotion. I diddn't say they were lazy they just don't have the same commitment and effort level. I have interviewed and employed a fair few people and for a large amount of jobs English people can be a waste of space. Low paid jobs English don't want to do and if they do do it they do it badly as they think its beneath them despite having no skills to prove otherwise. I don't think people know how reliant on foreign labour England is.

billbill I say English people are lazy beciuase they are but I never said the ones that work here are lazy

HTH

Brit_in_Japan

They are government statistics, i.e. compiled by the civil service. If you have a better source of data, please provide it and tell us where it comes from.

As moose said, most of the Aussies that would come to the UK would be caucasian. Same goes for Kiwis, Canadians and South Africans. Unless you went up to every caucasian you saw and talked to them then you wouldn't be able to tell whether they were immigrants or not.

The census has that information. From the last census in 2001, this link shows the breakdown.

nuetral cruiser, it may be your perception that there are lots of new immigrants from muslim countries coming to the UK, and for all I know it may be true local to where you live. But there is a difference between perception and reality, and a difference between what may be happening locally to you and what is happening in the country as a whole.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

The census shows the figures for 2001. Four years on and I am sure the percentage now is far higher. Last year net population change was about 300,000. In actual fact approximately 500,000 newcomers arrived and 200,000, mostly indigenous people, decided to leave.

Since the census I would guess that at least another million immigrants have settled here legally. If you include failed asylum seekers who remain and illegal immigrants, the actual figure now in 2005 has got to be drastically higher.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

RACIST!!!

ScoobyDoo555

You Sir, are a ******* idiot. Not a racist remark - just a "generalisation"
I find your generalisations offensive. Unless you're being extremely ironic, in that a few bad apples etc...... Is your assumption based on your current employment statistics, if so the grand census of 6 people, some people may class as a tad inaccurate.

The work ethic (or lack of it,as you state) isn't based on race - it's based on whether or not you're a lazy ******. Regardless of race.

You have w@nkers and other offensive cretins everywhere, regardless of skin colour.

What I find a tad disturbing (which I've suprised myself with), is the underlying racial tension and racism that is on the board

My own thoughts on this is that WE as a country do have too many immigrants coming ashore. And those that do make it here, are engulfed by their own customs and societies. What does rattle me is that if this was the other way round for example, in any other country, we as imigrants would be expected to integrate into native society.

This isn't the case here (presumably due to the lentil muchers, I don't know)

If you want to be resident in the UK, you should adhere to and respect the pravailing customs and religion (I'm presuming that it's still Christianity?), as this is what would be demanded in any of the migrating countries.

It's called "respect".

Just my 2p.

Dan

SCOsazOBY

i am white british and have recently had the "race card" played to me!
I was called "cos youre white" and was also told "its cos im black"

When in actual fact, its not colour or race that gets peoples back up, its attitudes and behaviour.

If you go to another country you abide by there rules and culture, so its just the same for this country but people lapse that

_RIP_

I'd love to work in your sweat shop while you get wealthy off my back. Where do I sign up massa?

Bubba po

Lol @ Mr. Bang bottling out of attempting "Ghanaian".

pete1977

Well why dont you leave this lazy nation then?(thats a serious question!)
Cant see why you started this thread??Do you think you will convince people about how great muslims are?Or is this just a pathetic dig at the country and the people that you are so angry at?
I really dont think you are doing any muslims a favour with this post.But im sure your going to carry on regardless .

Bubba po

Because he's making a right good crack paying foreigners **** wages, that's why. Foreign mentality seems to be to come to Britain for some reason rather than put the effort into working in their own country. I wonder why?

fatscoobyfella

6 english workers will only be there to satisfy H&S,there the only ones who can read all the instructions on the sewing machines...

Turbohot

Although this thread need not have turned the way it has,but let's look into it-
Majority of foreigners come to Britain and achieve settlement with business and jobs because British currency is far stronger than their own country's currency.There are minority of foreigners who come for other reasons.There is a percentage of foreigners who are invited in to work here e.g. doctors, nurses and care practitioners because UK itself is unable to fulfill the demand due to the lack of interest by the British themselves in such jobs.
Answer to the question "why they do not put the effort working in their own country"is because,they get better economical value for their work in UK.
It is a fair business preposition.
It will be nice to see some gratitude from both sides about this "give and take" business.Global dependence is only natural and inevitable.neither UK nor the foreign countries need to feel "one over the other" in this case.History proves the exploitation of the third world countries over the hundreds of years.Europian invasion evidently broke the backbone of the economy for these third world countries.At the time of taking,there was just power and "divide and rule"! At the time of giving,there is just ridicule! although it is "give and take" TBH.
Come on people! It is 21st century FGS! Terrorism by foreigners or by your own race is a crime-full stop.Open up your minds and chill!

Billbill

It worked, I opened it up, my chilled brain fell out.
*Actually I didn't have good reason to post in here anyway*
*Not my place, just got irritated at some attitudes*
Bill

Turbohot

LOL@Billbill

fast bloke

Chaps -(and chapesses - Hi TH) You need to step back and look at the bigger picture. Try this tomorrow - go down the job market and get an English person to carry buckets of mortar up a ladder for minimum wage - won't happen. Now go and get an estonian or polish labourer to do the same - they will carry up more buckets than you hoped for. The reason behind this? - The estonian and the polish guys don't see minimum wage as minimum wage - they see it the same way we see people in Saudi earning £500.00 per day tax free. Offer the English labourer £500.00 per day tax free to carry more than the other two and you can be sure he will do it. Loopy Bang is probably correct in that looking at the smaller picture will give the impression that the english are a bunch of workshy ******, but until you have enjoyed a truely multicultural workforce you have no idea.....

(btw - are all mexican's that smelly? )

Reality

Bang's on the money.

If you pay minimum wage the whiteys will, if you're lucky, turn up and do the minimum required to not get sacked. The slaves will work much harder cos they've come from places where you don't get protection for being a workshy lazy b@st@rd. However - in a couple of years the slaves will work out that they can't be slaves in the UK - which is why they will be sacked before the 2 years is up .

Importing slaves to the UK will indeed be T Blair's Legacy.

fatscoobyfella

Fast bloke,you make a fair point..but for one thing.I know plenty of englih people that are working on building sites as labourers,2 of my close friends do just that for between £40 and £50 a day.
If it comes down to economics and you want to pay 2 polish guys £25 each ad have the job done faster,well,thats exploiting "foreigners" i reckon.Remember english people dont mind working at all,its just that they want to be paid decent money for doing it.
We have to be,when a tiny house is £100,000,petrol is £4.50 a gallon,council tax is £1000 a year,approx 25%(Minimum) of your wages are taken off you anyway.These are amongst the miriad of other day to day running costs of keeping your head above water.

If you can "opt out" of paying some of these bills every week ,of course you can recieve less pay.

Its a knock on effect as i would have thought that immigrants put less cash back into the market place..My friend,who is on immigration security at our local airport,stops a lot of outbound "non english" women with £1000's of pounds sewn into there dresses,made especially to siphon cash back "home"!!!

I dont know the answers,i just take as i find..and from my point of view it aint good..

flame cloak now worn...

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

Bang, i take it you pay really ****e wages to your staff?

You always find, as stated already that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. UK monkeys who apply for jobs on **** money will always be pretty useless, they generally don't have any qualifications so the it is the only work on offer. Due to the mind numbing boredom of most of these jobs they will generally be un-inspired and "lazy".

Just look in any Mcdonalds franchise, the english staff are spotty teenagers or old ex cons and the majority of the rest of the staff are 'foreigners' earning a mint in comparison to back home.

Again, its just how i see it

Luan Pra bang

You can think what you like but I pay better salaries than any of the long chain hotels and restaurants in this country. Holiday inn pays reception staff 12500 per year my receptionist started on min wage and now earns £14500 because she has earned it. At le Manior a chef gets 13500 my lowest paid chef is English and is on 15000 with the best paid chef indian on over 20k. The fact is I have good staff paid at above market rates but it is a fact that English people often make bad workers. Most eastern Europeans and foregners have an inbuilt work ethic and cannot believe how lazy English people can be at work. In Eastern Europe they are happy to have a job and understand that what is better for the company is better for them in the long run. I have a good staff retention rate and many of the eastern euopeans that have worked here in the past reccomend that their family come to work here and still send me text messages and e-mails. We look after all the staff here far more than any large company ever will.

scoobybitch

Maybe some people don't feel like working very hard because the are sick of seeing their hard earned cash getting taxed to the hilt to pay for asylum seekers/people claiming every benefit possible (british and foreign) etc etc. Your thread opens about generalisations surrounding muslims and you are doing exactly the same about english people. At the end of the day there will always be stereotypes - the french are imagined with stripey tops and onions round their necks - the english are called lobsters - the yanks are thick etc etc. Unfortunatley as already said the minority have spoiled it for muslims etc and your stereotype has become scavving, benefit cheating, suicide bombing idiots!!! Sad but true!!

ScoobyDoo555

Just like other posters in this topic, you're tarring the entire "English" population with the same brush!!

I accept that "SOME" are as you describe - but again, that isn't just English, that's worldwide. You have lazy objects regardless of geographical/racial persuasion

Dan

Billbill

Harsh! But true in a lot of cases.
We have the same problem in the USA.
Same ethnic groups but our borders are more easily crossed.
There are just more of us to pay the taxes to support the leaches.

Luan Pra bang

So just because I have met lots of lazy English does not mean they are all like that its just my blinkerd limited perception. Same as with Asian and eastern European immigrants them eh

Billbill

After all is said and done, are we not all "guilty" of blinkered limited perceptions?? We can only create commentary through "facts" acquired from our own personal experiences???
Trying to converse witn another, that has a totally different concept of that same issue, is either a waste of time or a teaching/learning experience.

ScoobyDoo555

That's what I said