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Originally Posted by sgcooby
The pics of the evo estate that i saw showed it had a rear strut brace. I went straight across the boot(obviously) so kind of made the estate a bit pointless as you couldnt get anything past the brace. It cuts the boot in two. Maybe if you are filling it with loads of small objects but other than that a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by sgcooby
Im all for unbiased opinions but there are definately people on here who dont like their scoob. There have been several post lately about folk saying theyve come from an M3 and now have an STI but dont like it. Others who slag of the handling. Others who state its bloody slow. Do these people not test drive cars before they buy them. Ive never claimed the scoob is the best or fastest car in the world, and as many do, understand real world performance cars as well but I love my car that is why i bought it ,if people buy a car then complain then its obviously because they havent researched enough before hand and therefore are pretty nieve (no idea how to spell that). But unfortunately there are people here who do not like scoobs as if they were unbiased then why do they allways side with other cars than the scoob? And if you say its because they feel that the other cars are better then why did they buy the scoob in the first place.
Bottom line is that it doesn't excite and I don't think it does anything fantastically well any more. Then I look at the depreciation, the devaluing of the brand by Subaru through too many cosmetic and minor engineering changes and I see a car that is at the end of its life and needs totally refreshing. The bubble has burst IMO. I bought it because previous experience was excellent. I was not naive, but I did think the PPP would make it far better than it has....
They are OK cars, just no longer great and left me a bit flat. The ST, however, left me with a greater feeling, and would be my choice today.
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Buy the ford i am . ![Eek2](images/smilies/eek2.gif)
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Originally Posted by mightyyid
You raise a few fair questions and I'll give it a go. I'm on my second Scoob - the first in 2000 which was new and I had for 18 months was great fun and raw. Then moved to a few Porsche 993's and, when child arrived, returned to a MY05 WRX PPP. And I have to say it will not last much longer as it's not that much fun. When I first got it I loved it, and when I took it round the Nurburgring it was fantastic but day to day driving it no longer does it for me. I miss the rawness of the classic, and it seems that it has become to smooth, if you like, to put the smile back on my face. Yes, it's quick, and the turbo boost is great, and yes, comparisons to a Porsche are almost irrelevant, but the Scoob has, I think lost its charm. Part of which was it's price (nowadays there is a better for the money), the build quality is not great (sorry folks, but those who feel the reliability is better than a Focus, I would have to disagree, as my classic needed an engine rebuild after 5,000 miles when all the piston rings lined up). Focus' I know have had no problems (but of course each to their own).
Bottom line is that it doesn't excite and I don't think it does anything fantastically well any more. Then I look at the depreciation, the devaluing of the brand by Subaru through too many cosmetic and minor engineering changes and I see a car that is at the end of its life and needs totally refreshing. The bubble has burst IMO. I bought it because previous experience was excellent. I was not naive, but I did think the PPP would make it far better than it has....
They are OK cars, just no longer great and left me a bit flat. The ST, however, left me with a greater feeling, and would be my choice today.
Andy
Bottom line is that it doesn't excite and I don't think it does anything fantastically well any more. Then I look at the depreciation, the devaluing of the brand by Subaru through too many cosmetic and minor engineering changes and I see a car that is at the end of its life and needs totally refreshing. The bubble has burst IMO. I bought it because previous experience was excellent. I was not naive, but I did think the PPP would make it far better than it has....
They are OK cars, just no longer great and left me a bit flat. The ST, however, left me with a greater feeling, and would be my choice today.
Andy
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I doubt there's anyone on here who hates subarus, or at least there's no-one on this thread that does. What does get a bit grating is the blinkered "scoobs are teh best eva kar" point of view. Horses for courses...
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I believe you are right and Ali-B is wrong
Also,subaru sell far more turbo vehicles than 1.5's - hardly what can be said about the Focus.
Also,subaru sell far more turbo vehicles than 1.5's - hardly what can be said about the Focus.
It is likely that niether version "came" first from a concept stage. But it is likely that the more basic models were first off the production line as they would have shorter project lead time from start to finish and also wider mass market appeal in their home market - Japan (compare the basic Impreza 1.5 to a standard Vectra, or mondeo. That is where the market is ).
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I own a Ford, its been fantastic.
I know of Fords that havent been so good, I know of Subaru's that haven't been so good, hell I even know Beemers that have blown up its just luck of the draw.
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I own a Ford, its been fantastic.
I know of Fords that havent been so good, I know of Subaru's that haven't been so good, hell I even know Beemers that have blown up its just luck of the draw.
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
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I own a Ford, its been fantastic.
I know of Fords that havent been so good, I know of Subaru's that haven't been so good, hell I even know Beemers that have blown up its just luck of the draw.
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I own a Ford, its been fantastic.
I know of Fords that havent been so good, I know of Subaru's that haven't been so good, hell I even know Beemers that have blown up its just luck of the draw.
It was only a few years ago when the impreza was top of the JD power survey 2 years running. So they must be pretty good for reliability.
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Originally Posted by Blue Dragoon
So, Asbo ST or Scooby???????
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Reliability
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Impreza 25th
Ford miles behind. True!
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Reliability
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TG Survey
Forester 10th
Impreza 25th
Ford miles behind. True!
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I miss the rawness of the classic, and it seems that it has become to smooth, if you like, to put the smile back on my face.
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Originally Posted by Evez
No-one will wave at you driving a focus ST !
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Do you have to be in a car people wave at
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what do you drive that you get waved at .
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I've driven a focus lots, old rep car, can't really moan about it too much. Obviously not driven the ST version.
Subaru's are in a different league altogether as far as I'm concerned. Mine is an old version 1 classic, and I've never been in a newer scoob so cannot comment on how the impreza has changed over the years.
What I can say though is that everyone who I have allowed to have a go in my MY93 import say the same thing afterwards: "I've gotta get one of those!!".
And I must agree with anyone who has said that 2wd in the wet will never be as capable of achieving grip as an awd!! And it does rain a lot in England.
Subaru's are in a different league altogether as far as I'm concerned. Mine is an old version 1 classic, and I've never been in a newer scoob so cannot comment on how the impreza has changed over the years.
What I can say though is that everyone who I have allowed to have a go in my MY93 import say the same thing afterwards: "I've gotta get one of those!!".
And I must agree with anyone who has said that 2wd in the wet will never be as capable of achieving grip as an awd!! And it does rain a lot in England.
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Drive both see whats best. Personally the Focus is incorrect-wheel-drive... but, after the way Subaru treated us when we bought the WRX, I'll never buy another Subaru. A pity because my wife wants the B9 Tribeca or Volvo XC 90. I really enjoyed driving the Tribeca.
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Originally Posted by Ninnybobs
C2,
Why not nip around the corner and I will take you out in a proper car![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
Martin
Why not nip around the corner and I will take you out in a proper car
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Originally Posted by Ninnybobs
Sparky,
Very, Very Nice![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
Very, Very Nice
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wait till you get one beside you. The ST passenger will be waving through the rear window at you.
only joking .every one has different taste.
I will be happy with it, and it looks well. Thats why it got good comments on top gear.
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I will be happy with it, and it looks well. Thats why it got good comments on top gear.
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