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Originally Posted by BVM
Really. Funny how he never responded to the information I gave him in the following thread starting at post #35
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...ht=oil+dealers
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As to having to be a chemist to sell/recommend oil, I don't agree. In the same way as I don't need to be a metalurgist (sp?) to know that Henkels make excellent chefs knives or a tyre dealer needs to be a 'rubberist' (that's 'rubberist' PSL and not rubberwrist )..!
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Originally Posted by tarmac terror
The first time I had my car (MY00 Impreza) serviced at the dealership, I raised te subject of oils with the service manager. He gave me the specs and prices and they could offer Semi-synthetic or Fully synthetic oil at respective prices. He also told me that if I wanted to supply my own oil - provided it was to their spec they would use it - So I probably could have had my own supplied fully synthetic oil in there for the same price or less than their semi-synth.
He did ask about the spec of the car and if it had been modified - his comments were that unless the car was being pushed to the edge of the envelope for most of its time on the road or was being used in competition - semi-synthetic was adequate.
It would be nice to have the opportunity to drive 2 high mileage imprezas. One being fed Semi-synthetic oil all its life and the other having covered its miles on fully synthetic oil. Both haveing been regularly maintained and services - I wonder how noticable the performance difference would be.
I guess its the same with fuel its your preference - my motor will run on 95RON juice I choose to keep it on 97Ron fuel as I feel it performs better - others will also choose to dump a dose of octane booster in just for good measure or a bit more throttle response.
TT
He did ask about the spec of the car and if it had been modified - his comments were that unless the car was being pushed to the edge of the envelope for most of its time on the road or was being used in competition - semi-synthetic was adequate.
It would be nice to have the opportunity to drive 2 high mileage imprezas. One being fed Semi-synthetic oil all its life and the other having covered its miles on fully synthetic oil. Both haveing been regularly maintained and services - I wonder how noticable the performance difference would be.
I guess its the same with fuel its your preference - my motor will run on 95RON juice I choose to keep it on 97Ron fuel as I feel it performs better - others will also choose to dump a dose of octane booster in just for good measure or a bit more throttle response.
TT
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Mobil1 IS a true synthetic!
Royal Purple will not state what's in their oils so who knows.
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Royal Purple is great! I used to be a Mobil 1 fan till I found out they arent really a true synthetic oil any more. Of course now I pay quite a bit more for the RP over M1. Now if I could just get their 75w90 and 75w90ns so I can fill the tranny and diff.
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Mobil1 IS a true synthetic!
Royal Purple will not state what's in their oils so who knows.
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Royal Purple is great! I used to be a Mobil 1 fan till I found out they arent really a true synthetic oil any more. Of course now I pay quite a bit more for the RP over M1. Now if I could just get their 75w90 and 75w90ns so I can fill the tranny and diff.
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The main difference is the basestocks. Mobil use PAO (poly alpha olefins) and Motul use a blend which is 80% pao and 20% esters.
Esters provide an extra benefit in that they are surface active (electrostatically attracted to metal surfaces) polar in laymans terms, pao's are inert.
Esters provide an extra benefit in that they are surface active (electrostatically attracted to metal surfaces) polar in laymans terms, pao's are inert.
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#68
hello all
Went to the motor factors to see what their recommendation book/pamphlet thingy had to say on the matter of oil for a classic turbo.....
They stock shell helix plus (semi) and ultra (fully) among others. The shell book recommended both the above oils for the classic turbo.....I saw it in print with my own eyes.
I think that the minimum is 10w40 semi synth changed at 7500....but I believe it can't do any harm to upgrade to 5 40 fully synthetic and still change at 7500........ a respected main dealer up north who serviced mine for the first few services used shell helix 5 40 fully synth; so some main dealers also think that fully synth is an improvement on the standard fit 10w40 semi synth.
I have been reading this thread with interest and as a newbie with a standard road car that wont be tracked or modified I'm gonna spend the 10quid or so extra to keep the scoob on shell helix ultra 5 40 fully synth.
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John
Went to the motor factors to see what their recommendation book/pamphlet thingy had to say on the matter of oil for a classic turbo.....
They stock shell helix plus (semi) and ultra (fully) among others. The shell book recommended both the above oils for the classic turbo.....I saw it in print with my own eyes.
I think that the minimum is 10w40 semi synth changed at 7500....but I believe it can't do any harm to upgrade to 5 40 fully synthetic and still change at 7500........ a respected main dealer up north who serviced mine for the first few services used shell helix 5 40 fully synth; so some main dealers also think that fully synth is an improvement on the standard fit 10w40 semi synth.
I have been reading this thread with interest and as a newbie with a standard road car that wont be tracked or modified I'm gonna spend the 10quid or so extra to keep the scoob on shell helix ultra 5 40 fully synth.
Thanks all
John
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Originally Posted by jasonius
As to having to be a chemist to sell/recommend oil, I don't agree.
He poo-poos others contributions if they are at odds with his business spamming activities ..................... plenty of people understand Oil (or can read about it, as he does!)
I am sure the Oil Oilman sells is excellent as I have said MANY times before, I am sure that he offers outstanding service and the Oil will do as it says.
I just agree with SUBARU and fill my sump with Semi ......... just because I do that and tell others to, does NOT mean that I talk out of my rear end!
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I have a MY05 WRX with 5k on the clock. The handbook says part synthetic 5-30 oil SL rating A1/B1. I was gonna put magnatec 5-30 in, is this ok do u reckon? All the ratings etc on the can match up with what the handbook recommends. Surely they would say fully synthetic if it needed it, then they could hike the serviving costs up?? In Halfords book/guide they say fully synthetic for the earlier model cars but semi for newage models?? The handbook also says 4litre sump capacity, is this correct as I am sure people have said 4.5 on here before??
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Originally Posted by RJL_WRX05
I have a MY05 WRX with 5k on the clock. The handbook says part synthetic 5-30 oil SL rating A1/B1. I was gonna put magnatec 5-30 in, is this ok do u reckon? All the ratings etc on the can match up with what the handbook recommends. Surely they would say fully synthetic if it needed it, then they could hike the serviving costs up?? In Halfords book/guide they say fully synthetic for the earlier model cars but semi for newage models?? The handbook also says 4litre sump capacity, is this correct as I am sure people have said 4.5 on here before??
According to my records it will take 4.5ltr.
Cheers
Simon.
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I am still waiting for the qualifications that Oilman has .... you don't need even an O Level to cut'n'paste.
You DO need a Degree in Chemical Engineering to speak with authority on Oils!!
Pete
You DO need a Degree in Chemical Engineering to speak with authority on Oils!!
Pete
What do you do for a living mate? Whatever it is would it be safe to say your knowlegde on the subject is going to be fairly comprehensive?
Oilman sells oils FFS, of course he is going to be knowledgeable about them, otherwise his business would not be successful.
By your own admission you have not purchased oil from oilman, but you still want to know his qualifications? Why? Whats it got to do with you? You put 15 quid cooking oil in your engine, remember?
As regard qualifications, i think they are over rated. Before you say someone without any would say this, i have A levels and a BSc joint hons degree. What do qualifications tell you? That Joe Bloggs taught you X subject and you achieved a fair memory recall of that info in the concluding examination. In other words not a fuking lot! I would prefer the opinion of someone who was passionate about the subject, whos livelihood depended on being an authority on the subject. Does it matter where oilman gleaned his knowledge from? You have to learn it from somewhere.
All the knowlegde you have pslewis, where did you pick that up from? Somebody informed you mate. Does this mean you can not speak of the subject because the info is second hand?
Also, those who are following this thread, would you buy pslewis' car second hand knowing he puts 15 quid oil in it?
That would make an interesting poll.......
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Originally Posted by oilman
in the UK we tend to use 5w-40 as 5w-30 is more of an economy grade.
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FYI, The new 500+hp 475ftlbs, low 11 second off the show room floor Corvette Z06, comes factory filled with 5w30.
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Originally Posted by Mr Power
You sad, sad man!
What do you do for a living mate? Whatever it is would it be safe to say your knowlegde on the subject is going to be fairly comprehensive?
Oilman sells oils FFS, of course he is going to be knowledgeable about them, otherwise his business would not be successful.
By your own admission you have not purchased oil from oilman, but you still want to know his qualifications? Why? Whats it got to do with you? You put 15 quid cooking oil in your engine, remember?
As regard qualifications, i think they are over rated. Before you say someone without any would say this, i have A levels and a BSc joint hons degree. What do qualifications tell you? That Joe Bloggs taught you X subject and you achieved a fair memory recall of that info in the concluding examination. In other words not a fuking lot! I would prefer the opinion of someone who was passionate about the subject, whos livelihood depended on being an authority on the subject. Does it matter where oilman gleaned his knowledge from? You have to learn it from somewhere.
All the knowlegde you have pslewis, where did you pick that up from? Somebody informed you mate. Does this mean you can not speak of the subject because the info is second hand?
Also, those who are following this thread, would you buy pslewis' car second hand knowing he puts 15 quid oil in it?
That would make an interesting poll.......
What do you do for a living mate? Whatever it is would it be safe to say your knowlegde on the subject is going to be fairly comprehensive?
Oilman sells oils FFS, of course he is going to be knowledgeable about them, otherwise his business would not be successful.
By your own admission you have not purchased oil from oilman, but you still want to know his qualifications? Why? Whats it got to do with you? You put 15 quid cooking oil in your engine, remember?
As regard qualifications, i think they are over rated. Before you say someone without any would say this, i have A levels and a BSc joint hons degree. What do qualifications tell you? That Joe Bloggs taught you X subject and you achieved a fair memory recall of that info in the concluding examination. In other words not a fuking lot! I would prefer the opinion of someone who was passionate about the subject, whos livelihood depended on being an authority on the subject. Does it matter where oilman gleaned his knowledge from? You have to learn it from somewhere.
All the knowlegde you have pslewis, where did you pick that up from? Somebody informed you mate. Does this mean you can not speak of the subject because the info is second hand?
Also, those who are following this thread, would you buy pslewis' car second hand knowing he puts 15 quid oil in it?
That would make an interesting poll.......
Why are you trying to knock his car? Semi-synthetic oil is perfectly fine.
Conterpoint: Who would you be more inclined to believe?
Guy A sells oil for a living. So the typical salesman is going to tell you what ever he thinks will make you buy from HIM.
Guy B Doesnt sell oil. Guy B does not profit in any way by the oil he recommends in his unbiased personal experience with various brands.
Yep, Guy B, thank you very much.
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I am with PSLewis on this.
I have no problems with Oilman selling his oil, but I can't stand the once in a while "let me help you out by teaching you all a question you didn't ask" posts.
They are so arrogant and condescending.
I would far rather see these ramblings posted on his website, and as an authorised advertiser he should just put up a post saying special christmas offer.
I made this point in another one of these threads just last week.
Another "I am going to help you all out" thread he started last week.
A straight to the point promotional thread would be far mroe welcome.
And as for character assasinations being expected from scoobynet, from what I have heard and seen there are plenty other car forums who spot your self promotional threads a mile off.
As I have said on many occasions, keep selling, but don't pretend to be an oil savior.
You say you have been asked a question many times, but 99% of us don't know that, so if you want to impart your knowledge then refer people to your website. It just strikes me that you are the only authorised advertiser who does this.
I have no problems with Oilman selling his oil, but I can't stand the once in a while "let me help you out by teaching you all a question you didn't ask" posts.
They are so arrogant and condescending.
I would far rather see these ramblings posted on his website, and as an authorised advertiser he should just put up a post saying special christmas offer.
I made this point in another one of these threads just last week.
Another "I am going to help you all out" thread he started last week.
A straight to the point promotional thread would be far mroe welcome.
And as for character assasinations being expected from scoobynet, from what I have heard and seen there are plenty other car forums who spot your self promotional threads a mile off.
As I have said on many occasions, keep selling, but don't pretend to be an oil savior.
You say you have been asked a question many times, but 99% of us don't know that, so if you want to impart your knowledge then refer people to your website. It just strikes me that you are the only authorised advertiser who does this.
#76
Originally Posted by BVM
5w30 is economy grade???? Dude what are you talking about? Did you mean more common?
FYI, The new 500+hp 475ftlbs, low 11 second off the show room floor Corvette Z06, comes factory filled with 5w30.
FYI, The new 500+hp 475ftlbs, low 11 second off the show room floor Corvette Z06, comes factory filled with 5w30.
I meant economy, fuel economy.
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Originally Posted by Mr Power
You sad, sad man!
What do you do for a living mate? Whatever it is would it be safe to say your knowlegde on the subject is going to be fairly comprehensive?
Oilman sells oils FFS, of course he is going to be knowledgeable about them, otherwise his business would not be successful.
By your own admission you have not purchased oil from oilman, but you still want to know his qualifications? Why? Whats it got to do with you? You put 15 quid cooking oil in your engine, remember?
As regard qualifications, i think they are over rated. Before you say someone without any would say this, i have A levels and a BSc joint hons degree. What do qualifications tell you? That Joe Bloggs taught you X subject and you achieved a fair memory recall of that info in the concluding examination. In other words not a fuking lot! I would prefer the opinion of someone who was passionate about the subject, whos livelihood depended on being an authority on the subject. Does it matter where oilman gleaned his knowledge from? You have to learn it from somewhere.
All the knowlegde you have pslewis, where did you pick that up from? Somebody informed you mate. Does this mean you can not speak of the subject because the info is second hand?
Also, those who are following this thread, would you buy pslewis' car second hand knowing he puts 15 quid oil in it?
That would make an interesting poll.......
What do you do for a living mate? Whatever it is would it be safe to say your knowlegde on the subject is going to be fairly comprehensive?
Oilman sells oils FFS, of course he is going to be knowledgeable about them, otherwise his business would not be successful.
By your own admission you have not purchased oil from oilman, but you still want to know his qualifications? Why? Whats it got to do with you? You put 15 quid cooking oil in your engine, remember?
As regard qualifications, i think they are over rated. Before you say someone without any would say this, i have A levels and a BSc joint hons degree. What do qualifications tell you? That Joe Bloggs taught you X subject and you achieved a fair memory recall of that info in the concluding examination. In other words not a fuking lot! I would prefer the opinion of someone who was passionate about the subject, whos livelihood depended on being an authority on the subject. Does it matter where oilman gleaned his knowledge from? You have to learn it from somewhere.
All the knowlegde you have pslewis, where did you pick that up from? Somebody informed you mate. Does this mean you can not speak of the subject because the info is second hand?
Also, those who are following this thread, would you buy pslewis' car second hand knowing he puts 15 quid oil in it?
That would make an interesting poll.......
Sorry Mr Power, some may even think you are normally known as Oilman But I wouldn't think that, salesman or not, he would do that ....... would he?
So, I shall ignore your comments .... I actually haven't even read them!
Pete
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Originally Posted by Mr Power
You sad, sad man!
What do you do for a living mate? Whatever it is would it be safe to say your knowlegde on the subject is going to be fairly comprehensive?
Oilman sells oils FFS, of course he is going to be knowledgeable about them, otherwise his business would not be successful.
By your own admission you have not purchased oil from oilman, but you still want to know his qualifications? Why? Whats it got to do with you? You put 15 quid cooking oil in your engine, remember?
As regard qualifications, i think they are over rated. Before you say someone without any would say this, i have A levels and a BSc joint hons degree. What do qualifications tell you? That Joe Bloggs taught you X subject and you achieved a fair memory recall of that info in the concluding examination. In other words not a fuking lot! I would prefer the opinion of someone who was passionate about the subject, whos livelihood depended on being an authority on the subject. Does it matter where oilman gleaned his knowledge from? You have to learn it from somewhere.
All the knowlegde you have pslewis, where did you pick that up from? Somebody informed you mate. Does this mean you can not speak of the subject because the info is second hand?
Also, those who are following this thread, would you buy pslewis' car second hand knowing he puts 15 quid oil in it?
That would make an interesting poll.......
What do you do for a living mate? Whatever it is would it be safe to say your knowlegde on the subject is going to be fairly comprehensive?
Oilman sells oils FFS, of course he is going to be knowledgeable about them, otherwise his business would not be successful.
By your own admission you have not purchased oil from oilman, but you still want to know his qualifications? Why? Whats it got to do with you? You put 15 quid cooking oil in your engine, remember?
As regard qualifications, i think they are over rated. Before you say someone without any would say this, i have A levels and a BSc joint hons degree. What do qualifications tell you? That Joe Bloggs taught you X subject and you achieved a fair memory recall of that info in the concluding examination. In other words not a fuking lot! I would prefer the opinion of someone who was passionate about the subject, whos livelihood depended on being an authority on the subject. Does it matter where oilman gleaned his knowledge from? You have to learn it from somewhere.
All the knowlegde you have pslewis, where did you pick that up from? Somebody informed you mate. Does this mean you can not speak of the subject because the info is second hand?
Also, those who are following this thread, would you buy pslewis' car second hand knowing he puts 15 quid oil in it?
That would make an interesting poll.......
Sorry Mr Power, some may even think you are normally known as Oilman
But I wouldn't think that, salesman or not, he wouldn't do that ....... would he?
So, I shall ignore your comments .... I actually haven't even read them!
Pete
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Originally Posted by oilman
No,
I meant economy, fuel economy.
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I meant economy, fuel economy.
Cheers
Simon.
Now for an oil to improve your fuel economy, it would have to do a few things, most importantly reduce drag. Well when it comes to engines, less drag = more power. Therefore the lowest grade oil that is considered within the viscosity recommended by the cars manufacture would be better. So why recommend the thicker oil? Its not like anyone has stated their car is getting up there in mileage and the looser tolerances could benefit from a slightly thicker oil.
Maybe I should change my user-name to scoobygurugodthing and I could just pass off my opinions or poor information as fact.... oh yeah, that job is all ready taken.
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I just told you that.. but my point is why would you recommend that the guy in post #70 run 5w40? He clearly stated he owns a MY05 (that's Model Year 2005) STi with only 5k (that's 5,000 miles) on it. He should stick with the FACTORY filled 5w30. Even more so now that its winter.
You see, even though I am no "oilman" I do have common sense and reading comprehension skills.
You see, even though I am no "oilman" I do have common sense and reading comprehension skills.
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Right there genius
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Originally Posted by RJL_WRX05
I have a MY05 WRX with 5k on the clock. The handbook says part synthetic 5-30 oil SL rating A1/B1. I was gonna put magnatec 5-30 in, is this ok do u reckon? All the ratings etc on the can match up with what the handbook recommends. Surely they would say fully synthetic if it needed it, then they could hike the serviving costs up?? In Halfords book/guide they say fully synthetic for the earlier model cars but semi for newage models?? The handbook also says 4litre sump capacity, is this correct as I am sure people have said 4.5 on here before??
You can use a 5w-30 semi no problem, in the UK we tend to use 5w-40 as 5w-30 is more of an economy grade.
According to my records it will take 4.5ltr.
Cheers
Simon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJL_WRX05
I have a MY05 WRX with 5k on the clock. The handbook says part synthetic 5-30 oil SL rating A1/B1. I was gonna put magnatec 5-30 in, is this ok do u reckon? All the ratings etc on the can match up with what the handbook recommends. Surely they would say fully synthetic if it needed it, then they could hike the serviving costs up?? In Halfords book/guide they say fully synthetic for the earlier model cars but semi for newage models?? The handbook also says 4litre sump capacity, is this correct as I am sure people have said 4.5 on here before??
You can use a 5w-30 semi no problem, in the UK we tend to use 5w-40 as 5w-30 is more of an economy grade.
According to my records it will take 4.5ltr.
Cheers
Simon.
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Originally Posted by oilman
I've not gone quiet, just lurking
Talk amongst yourselves please it's much more fun
Oh just one point here before I go to talk to people who are appreciative of the service that I offer.
Read my post and the other posted, same conclusion maybe but that's inevitable, they are both factual however they are not the same as I wrote the one I posted. A touch more detail and readable I feel.
How could I have written it if I didn't understand the business that I'm in?
It's so sad that a perfectly informative post that took a lot of work to write is poo poo'd by certain people here and the thread is spoilt by people who seem to have nothing better to do.
Still, I've come to expect that of Scoobynet sadly.
My post is far more informative than 90% of the stuff I read on this forum.
It's a free world and everyone is entitled to their opinion, I respect that. Unlike most of you I pay to be here............Sometimes I truly wonder why I bother.
Oh yes of course I just remembered, I sell oil
No more replies on this thread from me, If you want advice just PM me please.
Cheers
Simon
Talk amongst yourselves please it's much more fun
Oh just one point here before I go to talk to people who are appreciative of the service that I offer.
Read my post and the other posted, same conclusion maybe but that's inevitable, they are both factual however they are not the same as I wrote the one I posted. A touch more detail and readable I feel.
How could I have written it if I didn't understand the business that I'm in?
It's so sad that a perfectly informative post that took a lot of work to write is poo poo'd by certain people here and the thread is spoilt by people who seem to have nothing better to do.
Still, I've come to expect that of Scoobynet sadly.
My post is far more informative than 90% of the stuff I read on this forum.
It's a free world and everyone is entitled to their opinion, I respect that. Unlike most of you I pay to be here............Sometimes I truly wonder why I bother.
Oh yes of course I just remembered, I sell oil
No more replies on this thread from me, If you want advice just PM me please.
Cheers
Simon
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Surely you can read that for your self.
I did not recomend he used 5w-40 as you accused me of doing, as you can see I just said we tend to use it in the uk instead of, which is true.
I also appear to have said that 5w-30 semi was fine.
So, I am not sure where you are going with this, perhaps you would like to tell me?
Cheers
Simon.
I did not recomend he used 5w-40 as you accused me of doing, as you can see I just said we tend to use it in the uk instead of, which is true.
I also appear to have said that 5w-30 semi was fine.
So, I am not sure where you are going with this, perhaps you would like to tell me?
Cheers
Simon.
#86
Originally Posted by What if ?
I run Fully synthetic and wouldn't change from it ever. However I'm not happy with what Subaru used at the last service, Castrol 20/60 - What sould I be using Oilman ? I have a MY05 STI PPP.
Got so cought up I forgot to give you an answer.
For your MY05 you can use a 5w-30 semi, 10w-40 semi, 5w-30 full synthetic or 5w-40 fully for greater hot end protection.
Unless the car is extremely modified then there is no need to go to a thicker viscosity.
Cheers
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You implied he use 5w40 because 5w30 is more for 'economy'. Its only after I pointed out your use of the word 'economy' implied cheap, inferior or basic. Once I pointed that out, you changed or clarified (hows that?) you meant to say fuel economy.
Like I have said over and over and over..... you seem to read and regurgitate instead of drawing upon first hand knowledge of the subject. BUT, that's just the impression I gather from your posts.
Like I have said over and over and over..... you seem to read and regurgitate instead of drawing upon first hand knowledge of the subject. BUT, that's just the impression I gather from your posts.
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Don't argue semantics with me... I was trying to allow you an easy way out.
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Now go away before I taunt you for a second time.</>
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Now go away before I taunt you for a second time.</>