Suresh

He's a liar, a cheat and a criminal. If you feel comfortable about someone like that representing you then it says more about you than you might realise

TonyG

Archer. As a member of the Tory party - I see no problem with that, he's been inside, he's been punished, he's back out.
As for being re-elected as an MP, then no. That I would have a problem with, as he's demonstrated that he is not trustworthy enough to hold that position.

the moose

Most sensible comment so far.

Leslie

Suresh,

Do you ever actually read the other posts?

I'll post what I asked again to save you the trouble. Which party is allowing the creep to remain in the Lords?

Now please can you tell me how your answer to my post relates to that! And can you also answer the question too.

Les?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

All the parties are full of criminals.....

http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/liars_oct04.htm

Courtesy of the BNP (mildly ironic )

SJ_Skyline

Good find!!

A quick summary:
Sex:
Tory 10 : Labour 18 : Lib 4

Violence:
Tory 2 : Labour 6 : Lib 3

Corruption:
Tory 5 : Labour 7 : Lib 6

Other:
Tory 0 : Labour 3 : Lib 1

Suresh

Do you and your dim Tory chums really believe that the BNP is an accurate and impartial source of information and statistics?

Still at least it explains why the average SNer has such a poor understanding of how the world actually works. My flabber is well and truely gasted.

Suresh

Suresh

Mostly, no. Usually full of poorly articulated, repetitive and ill thought-out crap.
Agree with you that Archer is a creep though!

Suresh

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I can confirm several of the more recent convictions from the papers (three of which are local to me ).

That being:

Tory Party councillor (Dudley), Abdul Quadus, who was also chairman of the Dudley Police Committee and a Tory Party spokesman on crime - Convicted and jailed for 6 months for passport fraud and assisting illegal immigration from his native country - Pakistan.

True..also had dodgy dealing with Helix the stationary equipment manufacturers too,

Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining £20,000 in Housing Grants

Again, true.







A quick search of the popular News search engines will confirm the validity of ALL listings...or are those idiotic Labour fanatics too stupid to use that??


However the following bunch are not listed, as it pre-dates that listing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/4310965.stm (although trails against 17 other associates has since been dropped though ).

Holy Ghost

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well here's mine for what it's worth. yes, archer is shoddy, thick-skinned joke; a chancer who's been caught out lying. but by the same token, he's done his time, no-one died and politically speaking, he's irrevocably finished.

but i don't consider unconfirmed reports of a foolish tory peer possibly, or possibly not, being accepted by some poxy local constituency association as warranting such hyperbolic outrage.

cameron has said that he won't allow archer to re-take the whip in the lords: that's pretty clear and hardly "disgraceful" - more like a fair call to me and a firm closing of the door. if cameron does a U-turn and lets this embarassing idiot back in, then you may have a point. if however, cameron sticks to his guns - and i see no reason for him to change his mind - and archer stays frozen out, you have no point at all.

if jeffrey wants to try to resurrect his political career, then that's his business. it's a free country (or was pre-1997) and he's unlikely to get far because he's blotted his copybook so so many times. if the best he can do is manage to keep his party card and host tea and scone parties for nonagenarians in skegness, then good luck to the old ****. frankly he should stick to writing books even if they are ****e.

Suresh

Thanks for about the only the sensible answer to the original post.

I would disagree that a local constituency accepting him back is a trivial issue. (His wife said so, so it must be true) It is not trivial - old Arch'hole is very popular with the grass roots supporters and it is this sort of "it's ok if he's a crook because he's one of ours" approach is one that the electorate haven't forgotten and will help to keep the Tories unelectable if it continues.

Believe it or not, I want a strong credible opposition as it keeps the incumbant Govt honest.

Suresh

Holy Ghost

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well amen to that. yes he is very popular in some quarters - eccentric rogues often are but i wonder whether these same people have noticed that he's also actually a 24-carat plonker? odd really. that's constituencies for you and tory ones can be as loopy as any but i wouldn't read too much into it. back in the fold he is not: from a media perspective, he's a massive liability to the party nationally. his front-line days were over when he was convicted and they still are now, even if he still has friends in high places.

you'd think he'd have realised by now but ...

Leslie

Suresh,

I see that you at least understood what I asked now, I think, but you have not answered the question I put to you.

Not big enough to acknowledge that you got it all wrong too!

Les

Suresh

Les,
50% of Labour MPs voted to abolish the HoL in 2003 and pretty much 0 percent of Tories, as they want to keep all the trappings of privilege and corruption without any accountability. Hope you have your answer now.

Suresh

Chip

And rightly so. Why should Blair be allowed to decimate yet another part of Britains history.

Chip

Suresh

Four words and thereby two good reasons: Jeffery Arch'hole. Mark Thatcher

Holy Ghost

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do you really think jeffrey archer and mark thatcher are that important? FFS, come on ... where's your head at?

Suresh

Of course they are not important. It's the principal that unelected chancers and criminals can have a say in running the democracy that gets my goat. The two I mention are prime examples of the type. Replace the HoL with an elected 2nd house and we'd be there. If you don't understand it in English I can type it in other languages too.

Leslie

You havea fixation which is irrelevant to the matters being discussed Suresh. No one is talking up either Archer or Mark Thatcher, they are nonentities with regard to the whole picture.

Les

Suresh

Les,

In case you didn't notice, this thread is about Archer and indeed the reluctance of the Tory party to distance themselves from him and everything he stands for. Please try to pay attention old chap!

Suresh

Leslie

No no Suresh,

These NL attempt at an answer by ignoring the question and stating something completely irrelevant to the matter in hand just don't cut it on this net.

Better if you take your own misplaced advice and read and understand what you are being asked instead of ignoring it and like PSL hoping that it will go away.

As a political commentator you are making a very good imitation of a troll so far.

If you open up a subject you can expect to be asked to justify your observations.

Les