_RIP_

btw your 'union guy' sounds a right useless w@nker.

16vmarc

Theyre pretty well up on H&S and there isnt alot that could be improved upon, im not saying its perfect as there is a bit of room for improvement.

_RIP_

That's enough of a reason. It's not as if they would have recorded your H&S concerns no matter how small. Just depends how much you want to stuff them and how close a relationship you had with the union over your present dismissal reasons. You sound pretty laid back about the whole situation, I'd have thrown a spanner in the works ages ago.

So did they offer you the chance to have someone present at the dismissal or did the union gimp just tag along?

rr_ww

Bit of a sh*tter mate Same boat, though I've been out of work for over 7 months now. Not like I've been sitting around doing nothing either!

So on that note. References. Mine said they would give me a Work quality reference as they had NO problems with my work or attitude or anything prior to the 1 incident that cost me my job, but I'm worried they may let slip they sacked me. I have considered NOT having a reference from my former employer. Thought surely this gaping hole, will put any potential employers off hiring. As they'll wonder why.

Any suggestions.

_RIP_

Get a m8 with a business to say they employed you, no gap in your employment history then. Worked for me. Have a m8 who owns a night club who 'employed' me to do all his IT repairs and another who 'subcontracted' me to do network repairs, helpline and diagnostics. I was only out on a few jobs as a favour to them as they couldnt afford my services but they were more than willing to fire out references

16vmarc

They told me they would give me a glowing reference.

By law you cant be given a bad reference but you can be given one thats worded so as its not good.

_RIP_

Exactly Marc. A (supposidly good) reference carefully worded, and with a bit of reading between the lines is the kiss of death. No employer who sacks you can honestly be believed to give you a good reference.

Whinging at interviews about why you got sacked is worse than the glowing reference

STI MAN

Marc,


All the best, hope things work out for you.
STiMan

rr_ww

Sorry to hijack Marc thread a little.

Only mate I know with his own business is a "1 man with a van" car valetting business. I did ask him speculatively, but he was worried he'll get in trouble for paying "cash in hand" even if he didn't pay anything at all. He's worreied that as my P45 is from way back, it might implicate him.

I've currently got my imediate supervisor as my reference, as I got on fine with him. What scares me most is that I'll accept an offer of a job, then the reference will bugger it up and I'll be back to square one again. Especially given the length of time of my unemployment. Evidently theres very few jobs in my chosen area! And on that point, if they give a reference that costs you a job because they were "too honest" have you got a case for legal action as they are penalising you after you have ceased employment?? In effect they aren't letting you get on with your life?

Has anybody reading this ever been sacked with no reference? What did you do?

DocJock

Yeah.

Next he'll be suggesting you lie on your CV about your employment record or lie to a tribunal to try to con a few quid out of them....

Ken 275

Unlucky mate but it's probably better to know this side of Christmas.

I chucked my job recently (after thirteen and a half years as a Scientist) and feel so much better for it.

Try and look upon your situation as a new chapter and pick up the bar job in the meantime.

Chin up!

K.

16vmarc

I was due to have my appeal today, I phoned up this morning saying not to expect me coming in!

So my day consisted of an hour and a half at the gym (i think i over did it as i have blood lines on my shoulders now! Nothing like getting rid of tension!)

This aft i went to 2 more agencys, one was happy to take my cv and said they would contact me for an interview and to see what my computer skills are like. The other wouldnt entertain me as i have no office experience, how do i get office experience without being given a chance!

Also the assistant manager at a bar i go in is going to ask the manager if theres any positions going!

_RIP_

It's not just about lying. I'd rather put food on the table than live in your ivory tower with nothing but the moral high ground for the family to eat. Perhaps your right though. Or perhaps your just one of these folk that pops into a thread with nothing constructive to offer someone who has beed treated like **** by their employer

Mungo

If you're thinking about a tribunal, give Bob Naylor a call:

Personnel Advisory Services
Bob Naylor
01606 882824

You'll get some free advice on whether you've got a case. Bob will then represent you at tribunal.

Ken 275

I was recommended this book : "who moved my cheese" ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...034915-5423608 ).

Only £4 and on order.

DocJock

It is about lying. That is precisely what you encouraged him to do.
I suppose you think it's OK to invent a non-existent 'whiplash injury' if you were involved in an RTA ?
Or 'accidentaly' damage soemhousehold goods because you fancy a new one paid for by your insurance?
Same principle.
In the end it costs every honest person because it becomes harder to process an honest claim.

I've been in his position, probably worse, because as self-employed I was entitled to square root of F all help from anybody. Six months with any **** job going and mortgage and kiddie >1year old, until new business sorted out. I didn't resort to fvcking lying to con a few quid though. [/QUOTE

Funnily enough I think suggesting not descending to their level and not following your advice to act like a lying, lowlife scumbag seems very constructive to me. You obviously think acting like that is OK though.

It is about lying.

16vmarc

Just had a longwinded conversation with the job centre, i could harldy hear them! about job seekers allowance. After id said i had no kids and that i never used to be blind they said i qualified and that they wouldnt be sending forms out to me!

I mentioned i wanted to get into something office based, so she says accountancy! Eventually gave me contacts for 2 admin based jobs and a call centre job for nestle which doesnt sound too good!

Someones going to ring me this aft for an in depth chat, more like an interrogation!! They want to know my bank details, living arrangements and my previous employment plus what savings i have!

Diablo

Am I missing something, or were you let go because you were not performing to the required standard?

In which case, what's all the fuss about?

16vmarc

Standard of workmanship? No.

Standard of time keeping? No.

Attitude? No.

Speed? Yes.

No fuss, i just thought id give people like you a chance to reply with some smart arsed comment.

Mungo

Sounded more like unfair dimissal to me. He was being set targets that were more demanding that his peers, and being set up to fail. The fact that he kept records for 6 months is in itself quite good proof that he felt he was being treated unfairly. It also sounds like the management had a pretty poor way of dealing with the situation.