scoobynet_moron

limp risted *** r u gay? thats wot u shod ask?

paulr

Just what i was going to say.Saw Wills on breakfast tv this morning and have to agree with you.

Cameron has a bit of Peter Mandleson about him.

ALi-B

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Come their next defeat Labour won't have Blair in the front line.

So tell me, are you going to replace your inflatable love effigy of TB in your bed with one of Gordon Brown in 2009?

TelBoy

Pete, on the basis that my post remains unanswered, am i right in assuming that you have only JUST realised Tony Blair is a public schoolboy?

You couldn't make this stuff up And there are millions more like you out there

Geezer

Cameron is Blair by design. This comment from the Tories under Hague....."We want a new leader, a new generation to do in effect for our party what Tony Blair did for the Labour Party."

And finally they got it. But you cannot get away from the old Tory faithful, who will rebel against it. Yet another split in the Tories, just another reason.

Personally, I think the only leader worth anything since '97 was Hague, and he failed because the electorates still hadn't forgotten the last Tory government, and were still enchanted by NL.

If he was leader now I think they would stand a good chance getting into power.

Even if the Tories don't win the next election,in the end, it doesn't matter who leads the party, NL will be ousted because the British people will get tired of them, not because of their track record.

Each successive regime is pretty much as successful/unsuccessful as the next, it's the piublic perception that sweeps them into and out of power.

Geezer

TelBoy

Geezer, Hague wasn't unsuccessful because of that. Don't forget the majority of the population have an attention span of a goldfish when it comes to politics, let alone a grasp of the issues involved.

He was bald, not particularly good looking, had a Northern accent and spoke like a drone. Trust me, these were FAR more important factors. And even though he is STILL one of their best politicians, he won't get the Tories elected in this lifetime or any other.

Personally i'd like to see George Osborne promoted up the ranks.

Geezer

You are proably right on the mark with that Telboy, but I still believe one that ultimately NL will be ousted in favour of the Tories no matter who is a ther helm.

Geezer

WRXPete

Fair play to Cameron he's already standing up and saying that if something Labour try to implement is considered by the Tories to be good for the country, then he will back it. The problem he has is that New Labour aren't all that far removed from the Tories anyway...let's face it, all politics seems to be done in the centre these days, with opposition parties having to favour the right a little to get noticed. Come the next election we'll see once again that there is little difference in much of the policies.
I am a Tory at heart but i have to agree Blair has been a good leader for this country...he's respected globally and that can only be good for good ol' Blighty.

As for belief that NL will get ousted eventually, that's a given....that's what happened to the Tories after so long in office

Suresh

Well said that man.

@ the rest of you disagreeing about the new leader.

Holy Ghost

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i agree: osborne's a rising star and seems quite capable of handling crash gordon (cue strange grimace and facial twitch).

unclebuck

That has to be a joke, right? Good leader, respected globally?

Geezer

UB, what do you define as a good leader then?

As for respected globally, I think you'll find that he is, as much as Thatcher was.

Geezer

OllyK

GWB tollerates him. The French and the Germans don't hold in desperately high regard as far as I can tell. I'm not sure many Muslim states are that impressed due to our closeness with the US, in fact I'm struggling to think of many countries that would acknowledge TB as any great statesman.

I don't know the Thatcher was deperately well regarded either, she was a tough old boot and wouldn't take any ****, but I think she pissed off plenty in the process.

My definition of a good leader is one who has his finger on the pulse of the country. Blair lost that years ago.

paulr

God,how patronising you are Telboy.
William Haugue said it this morning himself.When he was elected leader the public werent ready for another Tory government,we were still in the process of trying out New Labour.As for being bald,never did Churchill any harm in the vote for the greatest Briton ever.

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TelBoy

Paul, you just don't appreciate the reality, or maybe don't want to. Churchill was elected in a pre-media time, before image and spin was THE deciding factor. Of COURSE Hague isn't going to sit there and admit he wasn't elected because he was a short, bald, ugly droning Northerner, but to the fickle electorate, he just wasn't electable. In the same way Major wasn't. In the same way IDS wasn't. It had VERY little to do with how great you think your beloved Tony Blair was.

Leslie

It is so noticeable that PSL, having shot his mouth off yet again without thinking or without sufficient knowledge, and accused Cameron of being a public school toff, is unwilling or incapable of explaining why Billy Boy isn't, having also gone to a public school. Its no answer you trying to convince us that he is a great leader when we all know what he is really like. Tired goods I'm afraid, like the rest of his rather queer cronies.

Come on Pikey PSL, as you want us to refer to you, lets have your answer, or are you going to run away from it in your typical NL manner, you great fairy!

Les

Suresh

From my reading of British, Dutch, Swiss, American and Indian media*, TB is still a world-respected leader. If the Sun and the BNP website don't happen to think so anymore, you might want to consider your own choice of reading material!

*Economist, BBC, NU, NOS, Tagi, NZZ, CNN, ToI

I couldn't give a flying if if a few Islamic dictatorships don't happen to not like him.

My definition of a leader is someone inspirational who sets the pace rather than just reacts to public opinion. The latter would simply be a sheep. However, a good leader should have the humility to back down if public opinion is stong enough, as the price for ignoring public opinion is just too high (poll tax riots anyone?)

HTH

Suresh

JCScooby

The bottom line is, Tony Blair is still doing a far better job of running the country than any Tory leader/government would ever do. Thatcher left us with no industry and john major had about as much voice as a fecking mouse. If the Tory's ever got back in power, i for one, would be leaving this country. I dont earn enough (£) to have a Tory government.

unclebuck

No doubt you have a whole raft of facts to back that statement up.

unclebuck

Like Blair did over his illegal war? LOL - you really do talk some crap...

To this day he is not man enough to admit he was wrong and mislead the entire country. What a great leader.. lol

Geezer

No, not like Thatcher who led us to war over some islands that we no longer wanted and wouldn't even give the inhabitants proper citizenship then, using it to bolster her position after an extremely unpoular first term?

Geezer

TelBoy

I think your last sentence sums it up beautifully. Tax the better-off so that you can be subsidised, right?

And the fact that you can't give me ANY evidence that a Tory government would leave you worse off is beside the point, right?


Blind Socialism at its very worst, in my opinion.

JCScooby

Admit he was wrong? Why would u say that removing an evil dictator such as Sadam was wrong?

JCScooby

Typical Tory ***** view. Of course u tax "the better-off" more, cause they can bloody well afford it. They also tend to be well, well, well over paid.

TelBoy

Different scenarios, in my opinion. Sure, Thatcher used that campaign to galvanise the country to an extent, and i think by and large she did a good job of that.

Iraq, on the other hand, was an ill-advised ideological war, in which we played lap-dog to the Americans, in a country which had/has nothing to do with us, other than happen to have a very high amount of oil under the sand.

unclebuck

Since when has it ever been UK foreign policy to go round the world removing governments we happen not to like? Have we done it in Zimbabwe? No. Why not you should ask yourself - then you will find out the real reasons for invading Iraq. I would say what he has done is extremely wrong and the whole world knows it. Respected statesman my ****

TelBoy

So, no evidence, as i assumed, thus resorting to insults. You just don't get it, do you?

JCScooby

I have all the evidence that i need. I am given the right to vote and from my time on this earth i have never found a single reason to give a Tory government another chance. The evidence is in my opinion.

TelBoy

Ok, let's use past experience then. In which ways are you materially better off under the current Labour government than under the previous Tory government? Specifically?