Best Type R
08 December 2005, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
Every performance quote ive read has always said the Type R is quicker than the 22b i think the Rs are lighter.
09 December 2005, 10:54 AM
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more metal where?
Wheels are substantially lighter on each corner, and the wings are pressed steel just a different shape.
There are no official tests of jap 22Bs, only the UKs which have a longer final drive and hence are slower to 60, but most 22Bs are not UK cars!
On top of that, repeatability and separation of .1 seconds to 60 are not what I call conclusive tests of speed. Stef managed 4.6 to 60 in a UK turbo with only a backbox change.
Officialy figures for uk turbo put it above 6 to 60.
On top of that, there is a big difference between 0-60 and 0-62 which most people overlook.
Wheels are substantially lighter on each corner, and the wings are pressed steel just a different shape.
There are no official tests of jap 22Bs, only the UKs which have a longer final drive and hence are slower to 60, but most 22Bs are not UK cars!
On top of that, repeatability and separation of .1 seconds to 60 are not what I call conclusive tests of speed. Stef managed 4.6 to 60 in a UK turbo with only a backbox change.
Officialy figures for uk turbo put it above 6 to 60.
On top of that, there is a big difference between 0-60 and 0-62 which most people overlook.
09 December 2005, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
longer final drive affects all the gears, makes them all longer, not just fifth.
09 December 2005, 04:34 PM
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I had a modified and facelifted V4, which I think has the better engine.
But, In my opininion, the last cars of any model are always the best ones, so I would say without doubt that the V6 with the chin spoiler (£120 new from Subaru) and the slightly differeent rear spoiler is gonna be best.
The V5 and V6 shared the same engines and VF28 Turbo's and can be TEK3'd as well. V4's had the slightly inferior Vf24 and needed a link or other ECU.
Plus obviously the V6 will be a MY2000.
V-Limiteds had the higher fifth and quick ration racks, but the 5th gear is easily updated to match in non-V cars, buy using the 5th and synchro from UK box. You are looking at about £300 all in and might as well have the clutch uprated at the same time to save money later.
But, In my opininion, the last cars of any model are always the best ones, so I would say without doubt that the V6 with the chin spoiler (£120 new from Subaru) and the slightly differeent rear spoiler is gonna be best.
The V5 and V6 shared the same engines and VF28 Turbo's and can be TEK3'd as well. V4's had the slightly inferior Vf24 and needed a link or other ECU.
Plus obviously the V6 will be a MY2000.
V-Limiteds had the higher fifth and quick ration racks, but the 5th gear is easily updated to match in non-V cars, buy using the 5th and synchro from UK box. You are looking at about £300 all in and might as well have the clutch uprated at the same time to save money later.
09 December 2005, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rooferman
Type ra is lightest..........and 22b figures that i have make it slower to 60 than the sti type r/ra.
4 door IS heavier than similar specced 2 door, BTW...
22B is less revvy, but has more torque than TypeR. I woudl really expect it to be quicker in reality.
09 December 2005, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
There are two door type RAs!
My personal choice would be the 22B!
My personal choice would be the 22B!
they are type r's with wide arches!!!
09 December 2005, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
errrr why?
less grip, less low down torque, lower peak torque, less rigid, narrower track, no quick rack as standard?
Only thing I can think of is wide wings of 22B give it a worse drag coefficient, but I haven't seen it measured.
less grip, less low down torque, lower peak torque, less rigid, narrower track, no quick rack as standard?
Only thing I can think of is wide wings of 22B give it a worse drag coefficient, but I haven't seen it measured.
09 December 2005, 06:42 PM
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flat 4, type rs did not come standard with a quick rack. some have them, but they did not come standard, I can show you tens of them that do not have them.
second, there is far more to it than just wings.
third, no one mentioned price, someone simply said best type r!
fatmanscooby - fair play to you, not knocking your choice, type r would defo be my choice had I not found my car in the first place.
second, there is far more to it than just wings.
third, no one mentioned price, someone simply said best type r!
fatmanscooby - fair play to you, not knocking your choice, type r would defo be my choice had I not found my car in the first place.
09 December 2005, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by flat4_ire
u dunno what ur on about now lad, type r's do have quick steering as standard..my friend has a 22b and he regrets buyin it(price),was in my type r and reckons its quicker,both are round 300bhp mark,unless u have a lot of money a type r will put a smile on ur face just as much as a 22b!
I think your find he proberly does know what he's talking about, IMHO owns one the most sorted 22B's i've seen.
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09 December 2005, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by simb 2
I think your find he proberly does know what he's talking about, IMHO owns one the most sorted 22B's i've seen.
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09 December 2005, 10:06 PM
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Well I've owned a sti5typeR and a uk 22b. Obviously the choice of which to have is the 22b all day long, NO QUESTION!
On a smooth road the 22b gripped better, may have something to do with a wider track. On a poor surface, the sti5typeR was pretty jittery to say the least, and it's even worse in a 22b.
Clutch wise, I understand there was a problem with the original clutch, but I had an AP racing twin plate clutch (fitted by subaru under warranty) which was fantastic in all conditions. Day to day driving was no worse than the P1 I also had, and in the 22b you could dump the clutch and no burning.
Point taken about why buy a 22b when you can have an stitypeR much cheaper. If I was to get another Impreza it would be an sti RA V Ltd.
On a smooth road the 22b gripped better, may have something to do with a wider track. On a poor surface, the sti5typeR was pretty jittery to say the least, and it's even worse in a 22b.
Clutch wise, I understand there was a problem with the original clutch, but I had an AP racing twin plate clutch (fitted by subaru under warranty) which was fantastic in all conditions. Day to day driving was no worse than the P1 I also had, and in the 22b you could dump the clutch and no burning.
Point taken about why buy a 22b when you can have an stitypeR much cheaper. If I was to get another Impreza it would be an sti RA V Ltd.
10 December 2005, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Hol
I assume of course you mean the fully stripped out V1 RA's, with no aircon, electric windows and sound padding??? (All of which later RA's seemed to have specced back on by new owners!)
4 door IS heavier than similar specced 2 door, BTW...
22B is less revvy, but has more torque than TypeR. I woudl really expect it to be quicker in reality.
4 door IS heavier than similar specced 2 door, BTW...
22B is less revvy, but has more torque than TypeR. I woudl really expect it to be quicker in reality.
According to the info i have..
wrx sti version 5 1270 kg
wrx type ra sti version 5 1240 kg
wrx type ra version 5 1210 kg
wrx type r sti version 5 1260 kg
wrx type r sti 22b 1270 kg
I was refering to the version 5 ra models being lighter than the type r models as the above info is from the jdm owners manual.
The certificate of registration from when my version 5 sti ra limited was imported states that the front axle weight is 740 kg and rear is 500 kg.
Which would make it 20kg lighter than the 2 door equivalent.
10 December 2005, 02:18 PM
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nope my V4 type r was running 1.1 bar standard and ive seen plenty of other bulk standard V4 type r's running the exact same boost levels.The performance in a V4 type r is no different whatsoever than a V5,V6 (standard cars im talking about) obviously my mildly modded V4 type R would kick a standard V5,V6 type r's *** all day long
10 December 2005, 05:38 PM
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pmsl!!! mark you got a good point there!!.look guys,you could modify a capri to beat a ferrari!! but it aint a ferrari is it???.stop being tight n go n get a 22b if you really want one??.
10 December 2005, 05:53 PM
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load of pants this thread. I think everyone would love a 22B. its the only true iconic imprezza ever made (for all its faults), typeR / RA / P1 are all second raters in the pose stakes and if most people were being honest thats the main reason for having a scoob.
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Originally Posted by p1mark
load of pants this thread. I think everyone would love a 22B. its the only true iconic imprezza ever made (for all its faults), typeR / RA / P1 are all second raters in the pose stakes and if most people were being honest thats the main reason for having a scoob.
10 December 2005, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by p1mark
load of pants this thread. I think everyone would love a 22B. its the only true iconic imprezza ever made (for all its faults), typeR / RA / P1 are all second raters in the pose stakes and if most people were being honest thats the main reason for having a scoob.
Probably the main reason for having a 22b 
10 December 2005, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by flat4_ire
yeah man i agree, if i had **** loads of money i would pick the 22b over all other scoobs, but buck for buck ud get just as much enjoyment out of a type r at half the price, ya know??
11 December 2005, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rooferman
According to the info i have..
wrx sti version 5 1270 kg
wrx type ra sti version 5 1240 kg
wrx type ra version 5 1210 kg
wrx type r sti version 5 1260 kg
wrx type r sti 22b 1270 kg
I was refering to the version 5 ra models being lighter than the type r models as the above info is from the jdm owners manual.
The certificate of registration from when my version 5 sti ra limited was imported states that the front axle weight is 740 kg and rear is 500 kg.
Which would make it 20kg lighter than the 2 door equivalent.
wrx sti version 5 1270 kg
wrx type ra sti version 5 1240 kg
wrx type ra version 5 1210 kg
wrx type r sti version 5 1260 kg
wrx type r sti 22b 1270 kg
I was refering to the version 5 ra models being lighter than the type r models as the above info is from the jdm owners manual.
The certificate of registration from when my version 5 sti ra limited was imported states that the front axle weight is 740 kg and rear is 500 kg.
Which would make it 20kg lighter than the 2 door equivalent.
I think that is without all the extras that people put on the 'standard' RA vehicle.(Fully stripped out with no extra's, for cheap transformation to a rally car).
Aircon, sound proofing, electric windows, air bags, etc. All of which is standard on the R will soon hit 20KG!
BUT, I could be wrong, it was something I was told by some rally peeps. The same rules as the RS EVO and the 'Clubman' Cossie etc..
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11 December 2005, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rooferman
According to the info i have..
wrx sti version 5 1270 kg
wrx type ra sti version 5 1240 kg
wrx type ra version 5 1210 kg
wrx type r sti version 5 1260 kg
wrx type r sti 22b 1270 kg
wrx sti version 5 1270 kg
wrx type ra sti version 5 1240 kg
wrx type ra version 5 1210 kg
wrx type r sti version 5 1260 kg
wrx type r sti 22b 1270 kg
Mind you, It's now got leccy windows, radio, carpets & a big wing!!
Ooops -there goes the weight loss...
12 December 2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hol
I think that is without all the extras that people put on the 'standard' RA vehicle.(Fully stripped out with no extra's, for cheap transformation to a rally car).
Aircon, sound proofing, electric windows, air bags, etc. All of which is standard on the R will soon hit 20KG!
BUT, I could be wrong, it was something I was told by some rally peeps. The same rules as the RS EVO and the 'Clubman' Cossie etc..
Aircon, sound proofing, electric windows, air bags, etc. All of which is standard on the R will soon hit 20KG!
BUT, I could be wrong, it was something I was told by some rally peeps. The same rules as the RS EVO and the 'Clubman' Cossie etc..