Suresh

Mind you don't fall off the fence there fella!
So what do you mean by political reform then? Give an example of your utopia.

JTaylor

...and California to boot



He's watching you know.......

unclebuck

All I can say from first hand experience is that the overall quality of life is much better there than the UK. I suspect this is true of many other parts of the world too.

This country has been ruined by weak self serving leadership and a populace that just seems to thrive on being controlled and told what to do in every aspect of their lives.

Suresh

I've been to the states 7 times in the last 12 years. 5 on business and 2 whilst stopping over on the way to Mexico and Jamaica. I hate the place. Fake fat people with fake "how are you doing?" bullsh1t.

Check out the quality of life index from the Economist. I don't think there is one US city in the top 50. Zurich and Vancouver consistently come in first and second. BTw.

I left the UK and moved to Zurich, when the Tories were in power and unemployement was >10% back in 1993

Tot ziens.

Suresh

Brendan Hughes

Ah, but Suresh, what do the Economist know? They just got info from google, they haven't actually lived there.

"Strange how those who are most vocal in these arguments are always the ones who have already 'got out'."

Hey everyone, who's the most vocal about politics in this forum, banging on and on and on and on about the Third Term etc? So where have you already left from?

Keep going. I like this Friday afternoon comedy.

unclebuck

The US is a huge place and a two sentance charicature like that is the equivalent of saying all english people wear bowler hats and pinstripe suits and call each other 'old chap'. You need to get outside of the hotel to find the real america.

Anyway it just so happens that the company I work for is also the largest employer in Vancouver which would be my eventual destination of choice.

OllyK

I'm not "undecided" between Tory and NL, I have decided, and I don't like either.

I like to see the removal of party politics with all MP's independant and more accountable to the people that voted them in. Not ideal, but it may make them a little more focused on the public than themselves.

Chip

Nice to see we agree on something then

Chip

Flatcapdriver

Well, ignoring the usual "I can't see beyond the end of my nose" bollocks that perpetuates some contributors thoughts, I can't see what the problem is?

The UK has commited to a 25% reduction in carbon emissions as part of it's response to the Kyoto Protocol and as such Cameron (preparing for future government) has set up a group to examine ways to meet that target. He didn't set or agree the target but hopefully will inherit these as part of a change of government so he's being perfectly sensible in examining ways of meeting those commitments. Equally, anyone wishing to be elected realises that your policies are going to be shaped to some extent by the current political climate and guess what, environmentalism is at the top of some of the electorates agenda. Form a policy and get their vote - how novel!

Not exactly rocket science unless you're terminally stupid and incapable of independent thought. Hang on, I wonder who that reminds me of?

JTaylor

Scoobynet in well reasoned post shocker

unclebuck

You're blind trust of politicians, frankly, verges on the imbecilic.

From what I've seen the majority of scientists - you know, the people who actually know about climate change (in other words, not the green nutters) - will tell you that global warming is part of a natural cycle that is taking place with or without human intervention.

Now, what I believe a politician of principle should do, far from simply attempting to hijack the policies of the opposition and reinforcing the lies, is to set the record straight and tell the public the truth about the myth of climate change. Instead we are presented with the same old populist environmental dogma he's picked up from the 'greens' of all people. That's just the kind of opportunistic policy making we wanted to get away from and to me is a very poor start indeed.

But hey, I know it's not fashionable to be principled or tell the truth anymore, only the terminally stupid would consider that, right?

JTaylor

He's trying to get into power UB, modern politics is about appealling to the voter and what more topical issue is there then the green card? New Conservatives will follow exactly the same model as the New Labour project - what do people want to hear? Let's tell 'em. It's got to be more effective then the "truthfulness" of someone like Widdecombe.

Suresh

1. There are other parties. Do none of them appeal?

2. Indeed, but then you'd find individual MPs with similar ideas banding together in groups to pursue their [supporters] common interests. Then the groups would give themselves a name to identify themselves and also so the voters would know which brand was theirs... A bit naiive then this Indy idea of yours.

Flatcapdriver

I knew you'd respond when I used the word 'stupid'.



You are so completely clueless about politics it's amazing but as I've said before you do increase the entertainment value of the forum so thanks for that.

OllyK

That are actually going to have an impact on policy making??

...of the also rans, no the Lib Dems don't appeal and nor do the greens. "Some" and FFS don't take that out of context, of the BNP's policies appeal, just a shame it's all wrapped up in bile and racism. Taking care of the elderly for example, is not a bad thing.

Only becuase you choose to twist it to suit your own opinion. I summarised in a couple of lines a political system, and I even managed to caveat it as well. Don't you think if it were to become a reality it would take a little more than that to do it justice? I've given you a seed, trying thinking about what it could become rather than objecting on principal.

Suresh

The problem with your Nirvana is that when you add real world constraints the whole thing falls apart. Indeed, dealing with ambiguities and compromises in the real world is actually quite difficult so some prefer to divorce themselves from it. Just saying.

Suresh

Leslie

Suresh,

One of these days, purely on the law of averages, you may come up with a post that is actually relevant to the discussion! Keep going, don't get despondent, its entertainong to watch sometimes.

I did say when Cameron was elected that I was not initially impressed with his undoubted similarity to Billy Boy. It is far to early to tell whether how he will be as a leader and whther he will be effective in opposition.

I will stand back metaphorically and give the bloke a chance. I think it is a mistake to either praise or criticise him at such an early stage.

Les