Landing in a crosswind.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
In actual fact crosswinds are a normal part of operating an aircraft although aircraft do have a maximum crosswind limit for landing depending on the basic aircraft design. Swept wing aircraft find it a bit more of a problem since the wind can easily lift a wing during the early part of the landing roll.
There are two distinct ways of tackling the landing, (rest snipped)
There are two distinct ways of tackling the landing, (rest snipped)
Use a helicopter and land facing whatever damn' direction the wind is comin from...
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I'm guessing that under the conditions illustrated, you'd have to crab as you couldn't sideslip fast enough..
Still, at least you boys with engines have an option to cop out
My current bette-noir is crosswind takeoff on aerotow... the glider's airborne at about 40kts, a good while earlier than the tug.. Even so, I think my overall wind limit's probably lower than these guys crosswind limit
Respect!
Still, at least you boys with engines have an option to cop out
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But it sure impresses the crowd!
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Been there, done it, bought the t-shirt... and changed the under-pants...
Landing at East Midlands one time I can VERY VERY clearly recall looking DOWN the runway from my window seat just before we landed.
Well I say landed - controlled crash (and not THAT controlled either!) is more accurate. Plus the pilot had overshot 'cos he was desparately trying to line up and slammed on full brakes and reverse thrust and damn' near skidded into the exit way.
Scariest landing I ever had in my 9 years of working at British Midland. Lots of pale faces, soiled underpants and strange smells from paper bags on that flight. I guess I didn't help by shouting "Again! Again!" with a big grin on my face
(we all have our own way of dealing with naked terror
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Landing at East Midlands one time I can VERY VERY clearly recall looking DOWN the runway from my window seat just before we landed.
Well I say landed - controlled crash (and not THAT controlled either!) is more accurate. Plus the pilot had overshot 'cos he was desparately trying to line up and slammed on full brakes and reverse thrust and damn' near skidded into the exit way.
Scariest landing I ever had in my 9 years of working at British Midland. Lots of pale faces, soiled underpants and strange smells from paper bags on that flight. I guess I didn't help by shouting "Again! Again!" with a big grin on my face
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Thats a "Whats that funny noise?" type moment ![Eek2](images/smilies/eek2.gif)
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Oh, and then there was the time I was sat next to a guy who looked REALLY scared when we were taking off...
Thinking it would be nice to take his mind off the take off I started chatting as we taxi'd out... asked him what his job was
"Jet engine fault tester" (something like that... hazy memory on this bit)
"Oh, right" says I "what does that involve?"
"Oh, we run engines up to really high power ratings until bit start flying off"
"Good God!" says I "when does that normally happen?" (why did I ask this? why, why, why)
"About 125% of rated power" he replies
Plane is now on the runway and waiting for clearance
".....errrrrr...... about what rating are they at when we take off?"
"about 115%"
It was really quiet on our row of seats for the take off.....
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!40 Kts would be good enough Olly, as long as they were fairly constant. But I think the crowds would still find that a bit of a worry.
I did see someone stream the tail brake chute before touchdown once Simon when he was aiming for the shortest landing ever, He floated up at the last minute and the chute came out about 20 feet up. The plane almost stopped in the air and I have never seen a Vulcan so close to the ground with the wheels down when it reached the ground! It stopped soon enough though![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
We used to have to practice slow flying in training in Canada and I still remember flying backwards in a Harvard into the teeth of a Chinook once with very strong winds at 2000 feet. Very strange to see the world going away from you.
Quite right what Mark 1234 says about insufficient sideslip available under extreme crosswinds, you might wind up with the wing tip touching before the into wind mainwheel. It was possible to use a combination of the two methods though, I used to do that myself.
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I did see someone stream the tail brake chute before touchdown once Simon when he was aiming for the shortest landing ever, He floated up at the last minute and the chute came out about 20 feet up. The plane almost stopped in the air and I have never seen a Vulcan so close to the ground with the wheels down when it reached the ground! It stopped soon enough though
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We used to have to practice slow flying in training in Canada and I still remember flying backwards in a Harvard into the teeth of a Chinook once with very strong winds at 2000 feet. Very strange to see the world going away from you.
Quite right what Mark 1234 says about insufficient sideslip available under extreme crosswinds, you might wind up with the wing tip touching before the into wind mainwheel. It was possible to use a combination of the two methods though, I used to do that myself.
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Well, slightly off and slightly on topic - flew in about 25kts on sat - 60 kt approach, groundspeed - not much. round out on full airbrake, and come to an almost complete stop!
Neat thing was I still had enough control after stopping to hold it balanced on the main wheel with both tips off the ground![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
[edit to add I'm flying gliders - a single central wheel on the fuselage, and skids on the wingtips. Basically, try to keep them off until you stop..]
Best of all, sunday went solo, 2 more today. Very happy man!![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Neat thing was I still had enough control after stopping to hold it balanced on the main wheel with both tips off the ground
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[edit to add I'm flying gliders - a single central wheel on the fuselage, and skids on the wingtips. Basically, try to keep them off until you stop..]
Best of all, sunday went solo, 2 more today. Very happy man!
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
That "take-off" looks wrong. Animated, I'd say. ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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"Ladies and gentlemen, please remember to keep your seat belts on until the pilot has extinguished the seatbelt light, which will happen when we reach a cruising altitude of 36000 feet..........should be about 20seconds *sniggers*"
Passengers:
"20 Seconds!?!?!"
"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA"
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Originally Posted by Kieran_Burns
Been there, done it, bought the t-shirt... and changed the under-pants...
Landing at East Midlands one time I can VERY VERY clearly recall looking DOWN the runway from my window seat just before we landed.
Well I say landed - controlled crash (and not THAT controlled either!) is more accurate. Plus the pilot had overshot 'cos he was desparately trying to line up and slammed on full brakes and reverse thrust and damn' near skidded into the exit way.
Scariest landing I ever had in my 9 years of working at British Midland. Lots of pale faces, soiled underpants and strange smells from paper bags on that flight. I guess I didn't help by shouting "Again! Again!" with a big grin on my face
(we all have our own way of dealing with naked terror
)
Landing at East Midlands one time I can VERY VERY clearly recall looking DOWN the runway from my window seat just before we landed.
Well I say landed - controlled crash (and not THAT controlled either!) is more accurate. Plus the pilot had overshot 'cos he was desparately trying to line up and slammed on full brakes and reverse thrust and damn' near skidded into the exit way.
Scariest landing I ever had in my 9 years of working at British Midland. Lots of pale faces, soiled underpants and strange smells from paper bags on that flight. I guess I didn't help by shouting "Again! Again!" with a big grin on my face
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One American tourist was once reptuted to ask a pilot "Excuse me, was that a normal landing or were we just shot down!!"
Engine failures most often happen on take offs but even so, its a very rare event that a pilot may never have to deal with. Twin engine jets are generously over-powered and can take off with one quite comfortably in most circumstances. If both fail then the pilot comes over the intercom and says
"Everyone repeat after me..our, father who art in heaven......"
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Congratulations Mark 1234.
You never forget you first solo. Even I can remember every bit of that flight, even looking around to check that there really was no one sitting in the seat behind me.![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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You never forget you first solo. Even I can remember every bit of that flight, even looking around to check that there really was no one sitting in the seat behind me.
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As a flight comes to an end the pilot comes onto the intercom to do his end of flight speech .....
"Ladies and gentlemen thank you for flying with us today, we hope you enjoyed the flight. The ground temperature is 23 degrees and the local time is 3:45pm. On behalf of myself and the crew on this flight can i take the opportunity to wish you a safe onward journey and we hope to see you again soon"
As the passengers settle back to chatting amongst themselves the pilot's voice comes back unintentionally onto the radio ...
"So John what are you going to do when we land mate"
"Well" Says the co-pilot, "First i'm gonna take a huge ****, i've been gagging since we took off. Then i'm gonna take that leggy blonde bint from the cabin crew and **** the **** out of her, mucky bitch she is"
With this the stewardess in question legs it down the aisle towards the cockpit to warn the pilot, she doesn't notice an old lady's bag in the aisle and trips **** over tit onto the floor. The old lady calmly looks down at the red faced stewardess and calmly says
"No need to rush dear, he's going to have a **** first!"
"Ladies and gentlemen thank you for flying with us today, we hope you enjoyed the flight. The ground temperature is 23 degrees and the local time is 3:45pm. On behalf of myself and the crew on this flight can i take the opportunity to wish you a safe onward journey and we hope to see you again soon"
As the passengers settle back to chatting amongst themselves the pilot's voice comes back unintentionally onto the radio ...
"So John what are you going to do when we land mate"
"Well" Says the co-pilot, "First i'm gonna take a huge ****, i've been gagging since we took off. Then i'm gonna take that leggy blonde bint from the cabin crew and **** the **** out of her, mucky bitch she is"
With this the stewardess in question legs it down the aisle towards the cockpit to warn the pilot, she doesn't notice an old lady's bag in the aisle and trips **** over tit onto the floor. The old lady calmly looks down at the red faced stewardess and calmly says
"No need to rush dear, he's going to have a **** first!"
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Low level flying anyone? Leslie, did you ever get down this low in a Vulcan?
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/11349...ude_flying_III
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Originally Posted by mark1234
Best of all, sunday went solo, 2 more today. Very happy man! ![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Originally Posted by FlightMan
Low level flying anyone? Leslie, did you ever get down this low in a Vulcan?
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/11349...ude_flying_III
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/11349...ude_flying_III
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Looks like that bunch of French air force pilots had some fun that day.
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Originally Posted by mark1234
Best of all, sunday went solo, 2 more today. Very happy man! ![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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And, though the SIAL Police may well be along shortly, I'd like to offer this not especially work friendly little nugget It needs sound ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I don't care if it's been posted before, it made me laugh. And I know at least one of you will chuckle at it...
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Fantastic!
Has anyone seen the one with 2 old guys sitting on a fishing boat, in the middle of a lake? Off in the distance a huge flying boat lands, cruises along, then opens the throttles and comes right at them, from behind. I'll leave you to imagine the rest, gotta try and find this on the web.
Has anyone seen the one with 2 old guys sitting on a fishing boat, in the middle of a lake? Off in the distance a huge flying boat lands, cruises along, then opens the throttles and comes right at them, from behind. I'll leave you to imagine the rest, gotta try and find this on the web.
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Thanks all.. yup, it's an awesome feeling. Like Les said, kept looking over my shoulder and thinking "sh*t, I really am on my own.." 2nd one was somewhat more enjoyable. Lot less nervous!
While we're on the (almost) urban legend crew announcements: "Please remain seated while the captain taxis what's left of the aircraft to the stand"...
While we're on the (almost) urban legend crew announcements: "Please remain seated while the captain taxis what's left of the aircraft to the stand"...
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There are some great vids on this thread over at Visordown.
http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235312
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Originally Posted by mark1234
Best of all, sunday went solo, 2 more today. Very happy man!
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A fellow glider pilot! Well done!
Although I last flew about 5 years ago I intend to take the sport up again later. There's nothing quite like your first solo. I had taken a weeks intesive course, but two days were rained off. Did some evening flying for a couple of months then took another full days training. About half way through the afternoon we did some cable break practices, then one simple "round the block" flight and the instructer said "well, I happy for you to go by your self". I was both nervous and excited. I just kept repeating what I had learnt through the pre-flight checks.
It is the most amazing feeling that you can do it on your own. Second flight I tried to do a bit of thermalling and found a sea-gull doing the same of my starboard wingtip.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
And, though the SIAL Police may well be along shortly, I'd like to offer this not especially work friendly little nugget It needs sound ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
I don't care if it's been posted before, it made me laugh. And I know at least one of you will chuckle at it...
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Yep.
I use him as an example of perfect diction, even under duress...
Maybe I should teach English![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
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I use him as an example of perfect diction, even under duress...
Maybe I should teach English
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PS At least part of this message is a joke...