alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Have to agree with this sentiment. It's all down to his ego, STILL trying to leave a legacy.
Doesn't he realise he already left one? The prime minister who couldn't afford to send our kids to university, but who COULD afford to send them to Iraq to die in an illegal war.
The biggest liar we've ever had.
The prime minister who's chancellor stole billions from pension funds, then blamed us for not putting enough in.
And now this. I'm sure others can add more...........
How many times has Billy Liar done a U-turn now?
THE most untrustworthy, self-serving prime minister this country has ever had.............and hopefully WILL ever have

Alcazar

Spring Heeled Jack

His next target for screwing over is our education system.

Amusingly, even Prescott has had enough of the Blair's madness and is prepared to come off the fence and say so.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4539074.stm

Jack

Spring Heeled Jack

Oh, and by the way expect more tax rises because of Blair's selling our rebate down the river:

It is we who will directly suffer from this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4539194.stm

David Lock

I'm a bit iffy about the whole European thing outside a common trade area. What I don't see is what is so good at expanding Europe by bringing in inefficient Eastern Bloc groups. So my money is taken to subsidise their industrial development so that they can export cheap goods to us and stuff our exporters?

However if you accept that expansion is a good thing then Blair did quite well at the recent negotiations. Now needs to persuade other leaders to put the squeeze on France and what he has done will help him in this. dl

The Zohan

Can we stop the name calling and sudo rascist insults please - there is no need for it!

David Lock

Yes - let's be nice to the French

Leslie

Can't believe all this "noses in the trough" stuff! What's all this free present stuff at our expense all about? The idea of them filling their boots with even more now that they have our money from the rebate sickens me.

When it was a true Common Market GCollier, that was a good idea and that was what the country voted for in the referendum held by Heath since he told us that is what it was, even though he knew very well that the eventual scheme was to federalise all the countries. (Vide Jean Monnet!) We were not told about that!

We were conned then as we are being now since despite the vote against federalisation, they are continuing to do it through the back door as Billy Boy well knows and is lying to us yet again by witholding the truth.

I for one prefer our own country to run itself with our own laws and without our taxes going to subsidise those crooked politicians' lifestyle in Brussels.

I note Suresh's note of self satisfaction at profiting from our rebate loss. Shows him up for what he really is of course!

Les

Slartibartfast

Nothing racist, implied or otherwise, in my post. Leslie seems to understand my point of view. IMO for somebody who has enjoyed the benefits of growing up in the UK, the contempt that some clearly and constantly display for the British (people and nation), and the arrogance with which they express it, is frankly pretty nausiating.

Suresh

Les,

I was being ironic - that you were too blinkered to spot it isn't really my problem, is it?

In case you didn't know, the Dutch continue to pay the most into the EU per head. I am a Dutch tax payer and therefore I still pay more than you do! Stop whinging then.

Suresh

Suresh

I bet some of your best friends are blacks/asians too, right??


I have a British passport, but not because of where I was born. Ask an adult to help you work it out if that's too difficult to comprehend. Your idiocy is beyond belief and makes my blood boil to be honest.


If you want to hear of my contempt for uk taxpayers, how about this one: for my full-time MBA course in the UK a few years back, I was entitled to a 4k grant from the government for my studies. I declined it because I wasn't paying tax in the UK and didn't think it right to take the taxpayers money. Bet you wouldn't have done the same under the same circumstances. You'd have taken the cash and blown it on a big spoiler, like a dirty chav .....

Suresh

paulr

You called!!!

TBH i dont really understand it all so i dont know if its good or bad.All i know is the world is rapidly changing and we have to change with it.

Let me ask this question,why would TB purposely negotiate a bad deal?

Martin_Aimless

I can answer that one. Blair is a weak leader. He will willingly sacrifice his own integrity in order to do what he believes will enhance his 'image'.

Put simply - he has no morals.

M.

boomer

Princess Tony (B.Liar) won't have a job by the next election, and he still needs to pay off a mortgage or two! Thus he is busy sucking up to people on the european gravy train to get a cushy non-job with a fat salary, generous expenses, a huge pension, and an amnesty for potential war criminals!!!

mb

Leslie

Suresh,

You can be as ironic as you like, the fact is, you still said it and what people make of your character because of that is your problem, not mine.

Spot on Boomer!

Les

GCollier

When Blair retires he'll be able to make more money doing one after dinner speech a month than any role in the EU administration would pay him.

_RIP_

He's already profiting from an advance on his future 'book' and lecture circuit deal. How do you think someone on his salary can stand the mortgage repayments on 3.5 million?

David Lock

His wife works too

paulr

And whats wrong with that........he has been the Prime Minister for gods sake?

warrenm2

Dont worry, Wales is alright....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4537594.stm

Dieseldog

I find it galling that he's spent billions of our pounds and has forfeited a hundred British soldiers' lives, in order to ingratiate himself with those that will eventually pay to hear him speak. Jeez, he'll probably be able to earn a few quid on the French lecture circuit too, after last weeks capitulation.

It would have been better all round if he'd been upfront with us and suggested we pay him off directly to the tune of £20 million.

Brendan Hughes

I know common sense and facts aren't really welcome, but I'll add something anyway. This deal was done under the UK's presidency of the EU, when it's the UK's turn to chair, negotiate and broker in the interests of the EU as a whole. In particular, that's WHY the deal was achieved now - because if it waited until next year the UK would have to look after no-one's interests but its own, and thus would have driven a lot harder bargain, and all the other countries were painfully aware of that.

Of course, there was an attempt made to stop the rotating Presidency circus, but we all know the SN reaction to that.

I've yet to ask my French colleagues about the reaction in the French press to see if Chirac is as unpopular at home as Blair due to this. I know they were furious that CAP was already examined and restructured in 2002, and will be looked at again now.

The odd thing is that neither Blair nor Chirac are expecting to fight another election, so I'm surprised they were so tough.

Anyway, back to the tunnel vision...

GCollier

Nothing at all.

I was simply pointing out that lining himself up with a job in the EU will hardly be necessary to pay his mortgage.

fast bloke

Sounds like the school bully stealing peoples lunch money

"Give me your money or I wont be your friend"

Leslie

Do you really think the French will accept a change in the CAP with no kind of binding agreement Brendan?

Les

Flatcapdriver

Brendan, we like common sense - at least some of us do but I can't see how Chirac has given up anything and only that Blair has negotiated poorly given that he only got a nebulous promise to consider reforming CAP at some time in the future. I could understand giving up some of the rebate in return for a reduction in France's share of the CAP but that hasn't happened and you only have to see how the Irish and Spanish economies (in recent times) have fared without sucking at the teat of EU funding. Indeed, Zapatero is openly going back to the EU with cap in hand asking for an increase in funding which would be alright if UK plc was actively picking up business in Spain or from any of the new countries joining, which doesn't appear to be the case.

Given that Blair has said he won't run for re-election (any money on a U-turn with that one?) I can't see how he has been tough as it would appear that he's given the goose away with all the gold to boot. Chirac? Usual self serving French interest and he's done well to keep the CAP out of it.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Not a snowball's chance. There are literally millions of French farms, all relatively small, due yto their inheritance laws. That means millions of French farmers, and their families and the people who supply them and their friends and the people who depend on them for THEIR economy.

They aren't going to give up ONE RED CENTIME

Alcazar

BTW: the IDEA of the farm subsidies scheme started IIRC because the French farms are so small and inefficient compared to ours.

Martin_Aimless

Indeed, Or as Nigel Farage UKIP MEP said (and I'm no fan of them) negotiations had been "game, set and match to President Chirac", adding that Mr Blair had "been outclassed and outplayed at every turn".

... Blair....

paulr

If you think that was his motivation then you are warped indeed.I dont beleive any leader Tory,Labour,Lib Dem takes sending us into war lightly,and even though i disagree with the Iraq war,i'm sure in his own mind TB thinks it was the right thing to do.

Dieseldog

Call me cynical, and it's just a thought, but it occured to me that the growing disappointment with Blair might be engineered so that Brown is cast in the role of the 'white knight', thus giving him a chance of winning the peoples support at the next election. If Blair can be identified as the Boogeyman, any disillusionment with NL can be packed off with Blair as he exits.

Leslie

Paulr

Your blind faith is touching, but terribly misplaced!

Les