Bliar gives up £8bn
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I have to turn the channels over know if i see blair on the news as it so much turns my stomach and agitates me to see that w4nker on telly-i remember at work a good few months back when all this EU re bate first made news saying you watch billy boy give it away-despite what he says now -and lo and behold he does-that pratt couldn't sell a condom in a brothel-i think he spent x amount of days there ****ing up our position then another x amount of days letting his spin doctors come up with a good excuse for the camera's as to why he bent over backwards-that thing i wont even use word man to describe him-is an utter liability to the country and words fail to describe him to me-my blood boils at sight of him if im honest-only reason he aint been shot yet is cos prescott would take over? the words useless and fat ******* spring to mind-excuse me got to sign off my blood boils now
Doesn't he realise he already left one? The prime minister who couldn't afford to send our kids to university, but who COULD afford to send them to Iraq to die in an illegal war.
The biggest liar we've ever had.
The prime minister who's chancellor stole billions from pension funds, then blamed us for not putting enough in.
And now this. I'm sure others can add more...........
How many times has Billy Liar done a U-turn now?
THE most untrustworthy, self-serving prime minister this country has ever had.............and hopefully WILL ever have
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I'm sure others can add more...........
THE most untrustworthy, self-serving prime minister this country has ever had.............and hopefully WILL ever have
Alcazar
THE most untrustworthy, self-serving prime minister this country has ever had.............and hopefully WILL ever have
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Amusingly, even Prescott has had enough of the Blair's madness and is prepared to come off the fence and say so.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4539074.stm
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Oh, and by the way expect more tax rises because of Blair's selling our rebate down the river:
It is we who will directly suffer from this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4539194.stm
A Treasury spokesman said it did not give a "running commentary" on the public finances but the consequences of the deal would have to be "factored in" in next spring's Budget.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4539194.stm
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I'm a bit iffy about the whole European thing outside a common trade area. What I don't see is what is so good at expanding Europe by bringing in inefficient Eastern Bloc groups. So my money is taken to subsidise their industrial development so that they can export cheap goods to us and stuff our exporters?
However if you accept that expansion is a good thing then Blair did quite well at the recent negotiations. Now needs to persuade other leaders to put the squeeze on France and what he has done will help him in this. dl
However if you accept that expansion is a good thing then Blair did quite well at the recent negotiations. Now needs to persuade other leaders to put the squeeze on France and what he has done will help him in this. dl
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Can we stop the name calling and sudo rascist insults please - there is no need for it!
Yes - let's be nice to the French
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Can't believe all this "noses in the trough" stuff! What's all this free present stuff at our expense all about? The idea of them filling their boots with even more now that they have our money from the rebate sickens me.
When it was a true Common Market GCollier, that was a good idea and that was what the country voted for in the referendum held by Heath since he told us that is what it was, even though he knew very well that the eventual scheme was to federalise all the countries. (Vide Jean Monnet!) We were not told about that!
We were conned then as we are being now since despite the vote against federalisation, they are continuing to do it through the back door as Billy Boy well knows and is lying to us yet again by witholding the truth.
I for one prefer our own country to run itself with our own laws and without our taxes going to subsidise those crooked politicians' lifestyle in Brussels.
I note Suresh's note of self satisfaction at profiting from our rebate loss. Shows him up for what he really is of course!
Les
When it was a true Common Market GCollier, that was a good idea and that was what the country voted for in the referendum held by Heath since he told us that is what it was, even though he knew very well that the eventual scheme was to federalise all the countries. (Vide Jean Monnet!) We were not told about that!
We were conned then as we are being now since despite the vote against federalisation, they are continuing to do it through the back door as Billy Boy well knows and is lying to us yet again by witholding the truth.
I for one prefer our own country to run itself with our own laws and without our taxes going to subsidise those crooked politicians' lifestyle in Brussels.
I note Suresh's note of self satisfaction at profiting from our rebate loss. Shows him up for what he really is of course!
Les
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Nothing racist, implied or otherwise, in my post. Leslie seems to understand my point of view. IMO for somebody who has enjoyed the benefits of growing up in the UK, the contempt that some clearly and constantly display for the British (people and nation), and the arrogance with which they express it, is frankly pretty nausiating.
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Isn't it ironic?
Originally Posted by Leslie
I note Suresh's note of self satisfaction at profiting from our rebate loss. Shows him up for what he really is of course!
I was being ironic - that you were too blinkered to spot it isn't really my problem, is it?
In case you didn't know, the Dutch continue to pay the most into the EU per head. I am a Dutch tax payer and therefore I still pay more than you do! Stop whinging then.
Suresh
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Listen Forrest..
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Nothing racist, implied or otherwise, in my post. Leslie seems to understand my point of view. IMO for somebody who has enjoyed the benefits of growing up in the UK, the contempt that some clearly and constantly display for the British (people and nation), and the arrogance with which they express it, is frankly pretty nausiating.
I have a British passport, but not because of where I was born. Ask an adult to help you work it out if that's too difficult to comprehend. Your idiocy is beyond belief and makes my blood boil to be honest.
If you want to hear of my contempt for uk taxpayers, how about this one: for my full-time MBA course in the UK a few years back, I was entitled to a 4k grant from the government for my studies. I declined it because I wasn't paying tax in the UK and didn't think it right to take the taxpayers money. Bet you wouldn't have done the same under the same circumstances. You'd have taken the cash and blown it on a big spoiler, like a dirty chav .....
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
How long before the Blair fan club turns up and tells us this is a good thing!
TBH i dont really understand it all so i dont know if its good or bad.All i know is the world is rapidly changing and we have to change with it.
Let me ask this question,why would TB purposely negotiate a bad deal?
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Originally Posted by paulr
Let me ask this question,why would TB purposely negotiate a bad deal?
Put simply - he has no morals.
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Originally Posted by paulr
Let me ask this question,why would TB purposely negotiate a bad deal?
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Suresh,
You can be as ironic as you like, the fact is, you still said it and what people make of your character because of that is your problem, not mine.
Spot on Boomer!
Les
You can be as ironic as you like, the fact is, you still said it and what people make of your character because of that is your problem, not mine.
Spot on Boomer!
Les
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Princess Tony (B.Liar) won't have a job by the next election, and he still needs to pay off a mortgage or two! Thus he is busy sucking up to people on the european gravy train to get a cushy non-job with a fat salary, generous expenses, a huge pension, and an amnesty for potential war criminals!!!
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
He's already profiting from an advance on his future 'book' and lecture circuit deal. How do you think someone on his salary can stand the mortgage repayments on 3.5 million?
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Originally Posted by GCollier
When Blair retires he'll be able to make more money doing one after dinner speech a month than any role in the EU administration would pay him.
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And whats wrong with that........he has been the Prime Minister for gods sake?
It would have been better all round if he'd been upfront with us and suggested we pay him off directly to the tune of £20 million.
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I know common sense and facts aren't really welcome, but I'll add something anyway. This deal was done under the UK's presidency of the EU, when it's the UK's turn to chair, negotiate and broker in the interests of the EU as a whole. In particular, that's WHY the deal was achieved now - because if it waited until next year the UK would have to look after no-one's interests but its own, and thus would have driven a lot harder bargain, and all the other countries were painfully aware of that.
Of course, there was an attempt made to stop the rotating Presidency circus, but we all know the SN reaction to that.
I've yet to ask my French colleagues about the reaction in the French press to see if Chirac is as unpopular at home as Blair due to this. I know they were furious that CAP was already examined and restructured in 2002, and will be looked at again now.
The odd thing is that neither Blair nor Chirac are expecting to fight another election, so I'm surprised they were so tough.
Anyway, back to the tunnel vision...
Of course, there was an attempt made to stop the rotating Presidency circus, but we all know the SN reaction to that.
I've yet to ask my French colleagues about the reaction in the French press to see if Chirac is as unpopular at home as Blair due to this. I know they were furious that CAP was already examined and restructured in 2002, and will be looked at again now.
The odd thing is that neither Blair nor Chirac are expecting to fight another election, so I'm surprised they were so tough.
Anyway, back to the tunnel vision...
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Originally Posted by paulr
And whats wrong with that........he has been the Prime Minister for gods sake?
I was simply pointing out that lining himself up with a job in the EU will hardly be necessary to pay his mortgage.
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Originally Posted by GCollier
What has been achieved? Massive damage limitation with respect to relationships with other EU states......
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
I know common sense and facts aren't really welcome, but I'll add something anyway. This deal was done under the UK's presidency of the EU, when it's the UK's turn to chair, negotiate and broker in the interests of the EU as a whole. In particular, that's WHY the deal was achieved now - because if it waited until next year the UK would have to look after no-one's interests but its own, and thus would have driven a lot harder bargain, and all the other countries were painfully aware of that.
Of course, there was an attempt made to stop the rotating Presidency circus, but we all know the SN reaction to that.
I've yet to ask my French colleagues about the reaction in the French press to see if Chirac is as unpopular at home as Blair due to this. I know they were furious that CAP was already examined and restructured in 2002, and will be looked at again now.
The odd thing is that neither Blair nor Chirac are expecting to fight another election, so I'm surprised they were so tough.
Anyway, back to the tunnel vision...
Of course, there was an attempt made to stop the rotating Presidency circus, but we all know the SN reaction to that.
I've yet to ask my French colleagues about the reaction in the French press to see if Chirac is as unpopular at home as Blair due to this. I know they were furious that CAP was already examined and restructured in 2002, and will be looked at again now.
The odd thing is that neither Blair nor Chirac are expecting to fight another election, so I'm surprised they were so tough.
Anyway, back to the tunnel vision...
Given that Blair has said he won't run for re-election (any money on a U-turn with that one?) I can't see how he has been tough as it would appear that he's given the goose away with all the gold to boot. Chirac? Usual self serving French interest and he's done well to keep the CAP out of it.
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Do you really think the French will accept a change in the CAP with no kind of binding agreement Brendan?
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They aren't going to give up ONE RED CENTIME
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BTW: the IDEA of the farm subsidies scheme started IIRC because the French farms are so small and inefficient compared to ours.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
They aren't going to give up ONE RED CENTIME
... Blair....
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Originally Posted by Dieseldog
I find it galling that he's spent billions of our pounds and has forfeited a hundred British soldiers' lives, in order to ingratiate himself with those that will eventually pay to hear him speak. Jeez, he'll probably be able to earn a few quid on the French lecture circuit too, after last weeks capitulation.
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Given that Blair has said he won't run for re-election (any money on a U-turn with that one?)
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