matlow

Sigh, some people dont get it. Throughout the whole thread he never compared them like for like.

STI = £27k and Cupra = £18k
STI = 260BHP and cupra = 221
STI = 4wd and cupra = 2wd

it was a comparison nothing more, you pay your wedge for what you want.

drsuess

i agree but power loss through transmission would be greater in the impreza

mg driver

didnt take long for the thread to turn into the usual monging debate

spufus

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I found it a very balanced post.
8 year old, but specialist Impreza (type r) - unknown age of CTR with gas & both came away winners with no bitterness.

BTW my STi RA runs out of steam at about 110!!

bluenose172

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Exhaust and filter alone won't give an STi 300bhp. Filter may even loose power, it will need a remap to make 300 imho. Thought the official line from you mitchy was a 280bhp Cupra R would beat a 280bhp STi/P1, transmission losses this, transmission losses that.......................

drsuess

Spot on

banny sti

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The dccd allows you to adjust the power spilt between the front/rear wheels but the car always remains 4wheel drive.
You are thinking of the system in the skyline, which is mainly rwd until there is a loss of traction and power is transferred to the front wheels.

bluenose172

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As far as I'm aware it has slightly shorter gearing than a P1(does that count as trickery?), with a slightly quicker 0-60 and 0-100, all be it a relative 60-100. The P1 has a higher top speed.

You state your car without NOS would have been beaten quite convincingly in your encounter over at SC.net

Wrong it wasn't transmission losses, it was the fact you have more horsepower and NOS.

It can only distribute power to the rear and front by certain percentages, won't make it completely RWD.

I seem to remember flat_ire(sp?) in his STi struggeld to get to 300 bhp with more mods than your mate.

Merry XMAS!

New_scooby_04

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Why put them against each other and compare the performance on a forum if you don't want people to discuss it??

NS04

turbodan

Just seems to me that the Scoob ate the LCR (an LCR using nitrous?). I am very unimpressed with the LCR. Maybe the STI got off to a better start due to traction but thats going to be over once 2nd gear engaged. If the LCR was so much faster midrange it would have caught it easily, not taken until 130 or whatever it was. Sounds to me for the most part the scoob maintained the gap. And thats with nitrous being used?!!!

Aerodynamics and gearing probably had more effect than the so called "myth" of 4WD tranny losses - its all garbage.

Plus was that STI putting out the full fat? Theyre engines designed for Japan, theyre never as good with 100RON.

LCR is a nice cheap hot hatch. But its not in the big league...

mg driver

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banny sti

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Mitchy clam down mate i think he gets the idea!

bluenose172

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1 coach length?? What we talking, trains or bus here, coz if it's a bus, wow thats a long bus for it to be 8-10 car lengths.

The lightest and the shortest geared was the Type RA.

I say dothe test again, with him having a confirmed, true 330 bhp....see what happens!

drsuess

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Aerodynamics and gearing probably had more effect than the so called "myth" of 4WD tranny losses - its all garbage.
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Umm No

banny sti

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The power to weight ratio of a 340bhp m3 is a lot lower than a classic sti with the same power and rolling the sti will catch the m3 and pass it.

bluenose172

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Think that is due to the limiter 112mph? Think they struggle to see 140mph though, but up to that they are brutal. Funily enought the two short blasts I've had with M3's E46 I haven't lost any ground either, not top end stuff though.

P/W/R
STi Type R with 330bhp - 260BHP/tonne
M3 - 219 bhp
P1 - 218bhp/tonne(for reference)
Yours, with NOS is about 240bhp/tonne.

By the way, I'm in no way saying your car aint quick, NOS or no NOS, just that transmission losses aren't the factor you make out they are.

banny sti

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The STI Type R/RA with the dccd, will have about the same transmission losses as a 2wd car.

Frazer

Have a look at this

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/...509&highlight=

"Anyway, nitrous was activated and it achieved 283.70bhp @ wheels and a massive 397.72lbft" MITCHY on SEATCUPRA.NET

283 @ the WHEELS and nearly 400 lbft (with NOS) and your just managing to terminal 102 mph lmfao.

RR

Lmao Fastest Uk spec Impreza Wr1 0-100mph in sub 11 secs claimed, still beaten by a Seat Ibiza at Pistonheads vmax10 this November. Ibiza 162mph, Wr1 155mph. What was that comment about different class/league. LOL

SPEED/NAME/CAR

202 GuyR - Ruf GT2 (Rear wing taken off)
192 Maff - CL65 AMG (derestricted etc....)
190 Derestrictor - 993TT (timetravelspec)
188 Rods - 996TT DMS modified
187 AdamT - Ruf RTurbo (550)
183 Dazren - 996TT X50
183 911 Habit - 996TT modified
182 Nastywej - Lambo Gallardo
181 W8 PMC - Audi RS6 modified
181 Rob DMS - BMW E60 M5 (derestricted etc....)
181 Bluesatin - 996TT X50 (Factory Spoiler kit)
179 Neal McDonnell - Lotus Esprit V8GT
178 Toppers - TVR Tuscan S
176 S3am - 996 GT3 mk 2
175 IanHep - Ferrari 550M
174 Snuffy - Esprit Sport 350
174 F355 spider - Ferrari 360
172 Rob.E - Lotus Esprit V8GT
168 Flying Trotter - 997 C2S
168 Luca Brazzi - TVR Tuscan
168 Knight - Skyline (One run)
166 "alex" - 997 C4S
165 Jeremyc - AM DB7 Vantage
164 Scotty - Audi S4 modified
164 Mancunian - Lotus Esprit V8GT
163 Markxw - 996 C4
162 Madmile - Seat Ibiza modified
162 Outnumbered - BMW M3
162 Guymarks - TVR T350C
160 Trackdemon - Honda NSX 3.0
160 Gyrock - M3 CSL
158 Ibroker - M3 CSL
157 GregE240 - 500SL (R129 1990 vintage, pesky limiters!)
155 Spdw - Subaru WRI STI
150 Andy M - VX220 Turbo
150 Charlieboy - S4 Avant bi-turbo (my mate driving tut)
145 StuB - BMW Z3 supercharged
144 Dunc - AM V8 (mid 1990s variety)
142 Leean - Audi S3
141 Davey S1 - Lotus Exige
138 Muncher - VX220

banny sti

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It is a proven fact that a front mount intercooler on an impreza, improves the top end dramatically.
Was the WR1 standard? if you are comparing a modified car to a standard one then the WR1 did quite well.

RR

It did not do well enough. Either way.

banny sti

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Well for a standard Impreza with a tmic, that is a good vmax. With slight mods it would annihilate the Ibiza and some of the more exotic machinery on the list!

bluenose172

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Who mentioned a WR1 and who the fek mentioned an Ibiza. Jeez don't start this into a 15 page arguement about who's ****'s bigger than who's. FFS!

Frazer

Who's talking to you? We are talking about Mitchy's LCR vs the type R.....

RR

I'll mention anything i fancy, it was just a case of pointing out that using comments like different leagues is a load of bollocks. The wr1 was the only scoob there on the day to compare to.

banny sti

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The reason rr posted this is due to him having a ihi turbo'ed ibiza with about 340bhp, which is relatively quick in a straight line.
So he is defending Seat's.

bluenose172

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Who said anything about the Ibiza being in a different league though, he might think it's right up there, or indeed might think it's a league above, who knows, you know why.......COZ HE NEVER FECKING MENTIONED IT!!!!!

EDITED - I'm well aware what this chap drives.

RR

I dont need your permission to view and post. As for scoobs there ****e, if your going to do the 4wd rally slag at least go buy a proper car like an Evo.

As for different leagues, all cars have the ability to span many speed tables, look at the likes of Andy F's car. Still just a scoob though.

banny sti

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So it begins.................

RR

LOL going out for my Boxing day tea now, i'll just leave you girls on simmer for the time being.