STI Vs Cupra R
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
>50- top end was definitely in my favour
So you're saying that 0-100 is irrelevant for everyday driving
The STi kicked won up to speeds that matter.
What this thread demonstrates that even a car that is not exactly slow in the first place with nitros still can't catch a std Sti Type R till 130+ and doesn't show a demonstrable advantage till 100+mph. All this from a car that can do that comes with a 3yr warranty (in Japan) and will deliver that degree of performance all the time. How long will the Leon last with nitros.....not anywhere near as long I'd suggest.
Merry xmas all.
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So you're saying that 0-100 is irrelevant for everyday driving
The STi kicked won up to speeds that matter.
What this thread demonstrates that even a car that is not exactly slow in the first place with nitros still can't catch a std Sti Type R till 130+ and doesn't show a demonstrable advantage till 100+mph. All this from a car that can do that comes with a 3yr warranty (in Japan) and will deliver that degree of performance all the time. How long will the Leon last with nitros.....not anywhere near as long I'd suggest.
Merry xmas all.
NS04
Sigh, some people dont get it. Throughout the whole thread he never compared them like for like.
STI = £27k and Cupra = £18k
STI = 260BHP and cupra = 221
STI = 4wd and cupra = 2wd
it was a comparison nothing more, you pay your wedge for what you want.
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I found it a very balanced post.
8 year old, but specialist Impreza (type r) - unknown age of CTR with gas & both came away winners with no bitterness.
BTW my STi RA runs out of steam at about 110!!
8 year old, but specialist Impreza (type r) - unknown age of CTR with gas & both came away winners with no bitterness.
BTW my STi RA runs out of steam at about 110!!
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Exhaust and filter alone won't give an STi 300bhp. Filter may even loose power, it will need a remap to make 300 imho. Thought the official line from you mitchy was a 280bhp Cupra R would beat a 280bhp STi/P1, transmission losses this, transmission losses that.......................
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The Sti type R has trickery gearing making it a very fast accelerating car plus it has a switchable diff. The STI type R is a good 150+kg lighter than the LCR.
Secondly, i do believe a 280bhp LCR will keep up with, if not out accelerate an sti/P1[
Its transmission loss obviously was evident as i hammered it mid range as was done in the 1st test
Now perhaps you could enlighten me paul about the switchable diff in the STI type R? I was told it makes the car mainly RWD and only reverts to 4wd when it senses traction issues? Im not sure if thats true or not, maybe a lot of bollocks? But perhaps you could enlighten me?
He has a full exhaust system, not just a backbox, it had sports cat and up/downpipe and an HKS filter? He put rough estimation of 300bhp. Not me!
Merry XMAS!
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Originally Posted by matlow
Sigh, some people dont get it. Throughout the whole thread he never compared them like for like.
STI = £27k and Cupra = £18k
STI = 260BHP and cupra = 221
STI = 4wd and cupra = 2wd
it was a comparison nothing more, you pay your wedge for what you want.
STI = £27k and Cupra = £18k
STI = 260BHP and cupra = 221
STI = 4wd and cupra = 2wd
it was a comparison nothing more, you pay your wedge for what you want.
NS04
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Why put them against each other and compare the performance on a forum if you don't want people to discuss it??
NS04
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Just seems to me that the Scoob ate the LCR (an LCR using nitrous?). I am very unimpressed with the LCR. Maybe the STI got off to a better start due to traction but thats going to be over once 2nd gear engaged. If the LCR was so much faster midrange it would have caught it easily, not taken until 130 or whatever it was. Sounds to me for the most part the scoob maintained the gap. And thats with nitrous being used?!!!
Aerodynamics and gearing probably had more effect than the so called "myth" of 4WD tranny losses - its all garbage.
Plus was that STI putting out the full fat? Theyre engines designed for Japan, theyre never as good with 100RON.
LCR is a nice cheap hot hatch. But its not in the big league...
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1 coach length?? What we talking, trains or bus here, coz if it's a bus, wow thats a long bus for it to be 8-10 car lengths.
The lightest and the shortest geared was the Type RA.
I say dothe test again, with him having a confirmed, true 330 bhp....see what happens!
Also isn't this impreza sti type R the quickest/lightest model ever built by subaru?
I say dothe test again, with him having a confirmed, true 330 bhp....see what happens!
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Paul having read the type RA runs out of puff at 110mph
P/W/R
STi Type R with 330bhp - 260BHP/tonne
M3 - 219 bhp
P1 - 218bhp/tonne(for reference)
Yours, with NOS is about 240bhp/tonne.
By the way, I'm in no way saying your car aint quick, NOS or no NOS, just that transmission losses aren't the factor you make out they are.
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Have a look at this
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/...509&highlight=
"Anyway, nitrous was activated and it achieved 283.70bhp @ wheels and a massive 397.72lbft" MITCHY on SEATCUPRA.NET
283 @ the WHEELS and nearly 400 lbft (with NOS) and your just managing to terminal 102 mph lmfao.
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/...509&highlight=
"Anyway, nitrous was activated and it achieved 283.70bhp @ wheels and a massive 397.72lbft" MITCHY on SEATCUPRA.NET
283 @ the WHEELS and nearly 400 lbft (with NOS) and your just managing to terminal 102 mph lmfao.
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Originally Posted by Frazer
Have a look at this
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/...509&highlight=
"Anyway, nitrous was activated and it achieved 283.70bhp @ wheels and a massive 397.72lbft" MITCHY on SEATCUPRA.NET
283 @ the WHEELS and nearly 400 lbft (with NOS) and your just managing to terminal 102 mph lmfao.
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/...509&highlight=
"Anyway, nitrous was activated and it achieved 283.70bhp @ wheels and a massive 397.72lbft" MITCHY on SEATCUPRA.NET
283 @ the WHEELS and nearly 400 lbft (with NOS) and your just managing to terminal 102 mph lmfao.
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202 GuyR - Ruf GT2 (Rear wing taken off)
192 Maff - CL65 AMG (derestricted etc....)
190 Derestrictor - 993TT (timetravelspec)
188 Rods - 996TT DMS modified
187 AdamT - Ruf RTurbo (550)
183 Dazren - 996TT X50
183 911 Habit - 996TT modified
182 Nastywej - Lambo Gallardo
181 W8 PMC - Audi RS6 modified
181 Rob DMS - BMW E60 M5 (derestricted etc....)
181 Bluesatin - 996TT X50 (Factory Spoiler kit)
179 Neal McDonnell - Lotus Esprit V8GT
178 Toppers - TVR Tuscan S
176 S3am - 996 GT3 mk 2
175 IanHep - Ferrari 550M
174 Snuffy - Esprit Sport 350
174 F355 spider - Ferrari 360
172 Rob.E - Lotus Esprit V8GT
168 Flying Trotter - 997 C2S
168 Luca Brazzi - TVR Tuscan
168 Knight - Skyline (One run)
166 "alex" - 997 C4S
165 Jeremyc - AM DB7 Vantage
164 Scotty - Audi S4 modified
164 Mancunian - Lotus Esprit V8GT
163 Markxw - 996 C4
162 Madmile - Seat Ibiza modified
162 Outnumbered - BMW M3
162 Guymarks - TVR T350C
160 Trackdemon - Honda NSX 3.0
160 Gyrock - M3 CSL
158 Ibroker - M3 CSL
157 GregE240 - 500SL (R129 1990 vintage, pesky limiters!)
155 Spdw - Subaru WRI STI
150 Andy M - VX220 Turbo
150 Charlieboy - S4 Avant bi-turbo (my mate driving tut)
145 StuB - BMW Z3 supercharged
144 Dunc - AM V8 (mid 1990s variety)
142 Leean - Audi S3
141 Davey S1 - Lotus Exige
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Originally Posted by banny sti
It is a proven fact that a front mount intercooler on an impreza, improves the top end dramatically.
Was the WR1 standard? if you are comparing a modified car to a standard one then the WR1 did quite well.
Was the WR1 standard? if you are comparing a modified car to a standard one then the WR1 did quite well.
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Originally Posted by RR
Lmao Fastest Uk spec Impreza Wr1 0-100mph in sub 11 secs claimed, still beaten by a Seat Ibiza at Pistonheads vmax10 this November. Ibiza 162mph, Wr1 155mph. What was that comment about different class/league. LOL
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202 GuyR - Ruf GT2 (Rear wing taken off)
192 Maff - CL65 AMG (derestricted etc....)
190 Derestrictor - 993TT (timetravelspec)
188 Rods - 996TT DMS modified
187 AdamT - Ruf RTurbo (550)
183 Dazren - 996TT X50
183 911 Habit - 996TT modified
182 Nastywej - Lambo Gallardo
181 W8 PMC - Audi RS6 modified
181 Rob DMS - BMW E60 M5 (derestricted etc....)
181 Bluesatin - 996TT X50 (Factory Spoiler kit)
179 Neal McDonnell - Lotus Esprit V8GT
178 Toppers - TVR Tuscan S
176 S3am - 996 GT3 mk 2
175 IanHep - Ferrari 550M
174 Snuffy - Esprit Sport 350
174 F355 spider - Ferrari 360
172 Rob.E - Lotus Esprit V8GT
168 Flying Trotter - 997 C2S
168 Luca Brazzi - TVR Tuscan
168 Knight - Skyline (One run)
166 "alex" - 997 C4S
165 Jeremyc - AM DB7 Vantage
164 Scotty - Audi S4 modified
164 Mancunian - Lotus Esprit V8GT
163 Markxw - 996 C4
162 Madmile - Seat Ibiza modified
162 Outnumbered - BMW M3
162 Guymarks - TVR T350C
160 Trackdemon - Honda NSX 3.0
160 Gyrock - M3 CSL
158 Ibroker - M3 CSL
157 GregE240 - 500SL (R129 1990 vintage, pesky limiters!)
155 Spdw - Subaru WRI STI
150 Andy M - VX220 Turbo
150 Charlieboy - S4 Avant bi-turbo (my mate driving tut)
145 StuB - BMW Z3 supercharged
144 Dunc - AM V8 (mid 1990s variety)
142 Leean - Audi S3
141 Davey S1 - Lotus Exige
138 Muncher - VX220
SPEED/NAME/CAR
202 GuyR - Ruf GT2 (Rear wing taken off)
192 Maff - CL65 AMG (derestricted etc....)
190 Derestrictor - 993TT (timetravelspec)
188 Rods - 996TT DMS modified
187 AdamT - Ruf RTurbo (550)
183 Dazren - 996TT X50
183 911 Habit - 996TT modified
182 Nastywej - Lambo Gallardo
181 W8 PMC - Audi RS6 modified
181 Rob DMS - BMW E60 M5 (derestricted etc....)
181 Bluesatin - 996TT X50 (Factory Spoiler kit)
179 Neal McDonnell - Lotus Esprit V8GT
178 Toppers - TVR Tuscan S
176 S3am - 996 GT3 mk 2
175 IanHep - Ferrari 550M
174 Snuffy - Esprit Sport 350
174 F355 spider - Ferrari 360
172 Rob.E - Lotus Esprit V8GT
168 Flying Trotter - 997 C2S
168 Luca Brazzi - TVR Tuscan
168 Knight - Skyline (One run)
166 "alex" - 997 C4S
165 Jeremyc - AM DB7 Vantage
164 Scotty - Audi S4 modified
164 Mancunian - Lotus Esprit V8GT
163 Markxw - 996 C4
162 Madmile - Seat Ibiza modified
162 Outnumbered - BMW M3
162 Guymarks - TVR T350C
160 Trackdemon - Honda NSX 3.0
160 Gyrock - M3 CSL
158 Ibroker - M3 CSL
157 GregE240 - 500SL (R129 1990 vintage, pesky limiters!)
155 Spdw - Subaru WRI STI
150 Andy M - VX220 Turbo
150 Charlieboy - S4 Avant bi-turbo (my mate driving tut)
145 StuB - BMW Z3 supercharged
144 Dunc - AM V8 (mid 1990s variety)
142 Leean - Audi S3
141 Davey S1 - Lotus Exige
138 Muncher - VX220
Who mentioned a WR1 and who the fek mentioned an Ibiza. Jeez don't start this into a 15 page arguement about who's ****'s bigger than who's. FFS!
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Originally Posted by RR
Lmao Fastest Uk spec Impreza Wr1 0-100mph in sub 11 secs claimed, still beaten by a Seat Ibiza at Pistonheads vmax10 this November. Ibiza 162mph, Wr1 155mph. What was that comment about different class/league. LOL
SPEED/NAME/CAR
202 GuyR - Ruf GT2 (Rear wing taken off)
192 Maff - CL65 AMG (derestricted etc....)
190 Derestrictor - 993TT (timetravelspec)
188 Rods - 996TT DMS modified
187 AdamT - Ruf RTurbo (550)
183 Dazren - 996TT X50
183 911 Habit - 996TT modified
182 Nastywej - Lambo Gallardo
181 W8 PMC - Audi RS6 modified
181 Rob DMS - BMW E60 M5 (derestricted etc....)
181 Bluesatin - 996TT X50 (Factory Spoiler kit)
179 Neal McDonnell - Lotus Esprit V8GT
178 Toppers - TVR Tuscan S
176 S3am - 996 GT3 mk 2
175 IanHep - Ferrari 550M
174 Snuffy - Esprit Sport 350
174 F355 spider - Ferrari 360
172 Rob.E - Lotus Esprit V8GT
168 Flying Trotter - 997 C2S
168 Luca Brazzi - TVR Tuscan
168 Knight - Skyline (One run)
166 "alex" - 997 C4S
165 Jeremyc - AM DB7 Vantage
164 Scotty - Audi S4 modified
164 Mancunian - Lotus Esprit V8GT
163 Markxw - 996 C4
162 Madmile - Seat Ibiza modified
162 Outnumbered - BMW M3
162 Guymarks - TVR T350C
160 Trackdemon - Honda NSX 3.0
160 Gyrock - M3 CSL
158 Ibroker - M3 CSL
157 GregE240 - 500SL (R129 1990 vintage, pesky limiters!)
155 Spdw - Subaru WRI STI
150 Andy M - VX220 Turbo
150 Charlieboy - S4 Avant bi-turbo (my mate driving tut)
145 StuB - BMW Z3 supercharged
144 Dunc - AM V8 (mid 1990s variety)
142 Leean - Audi S3
141 Davey S1 - Lotus Exige
138 Muncher - VX220
SPEED/NAME/CAR
202 GuyR - Ruf GT2 (Rear wing taken off)
192 Maff - CL65 AMG (derestricted etc....)
190 Derestrictor - 993TT (timetravelspec)
188 Rods - 996TT DMS modified
187 AdamT - Ruf RTurbo (550)
183 Dazren - 996TT X50
183 911 Habit - 996TT modified
182 Nastywej - Lambo Gallardo
181 W8 PMC - Audi RS6 modified
181 Rob DMS - BMW E60 M5 (derestricted etc....)
181 Bluesatin - 996TT X50 (Factory Spoiler kit)
179 Neal McDonnell - Lotus Esprit V8GT
178 Toppers - TVR Tuscan S
176 S3am - 996 GT3 mk 2
175 IanHep - Ferrari 550M
174 Snuffy - Esprit Sport 350
174 F355 spider - Ferrari 360
172 Rob.E - Lotus Esprit V8GT
168 Flying Trotter - 997 C2S
168 Luca Brazzi - TVR Tuscan
168 Knight - Skyline (One run)
166 "alex" - 997 C4S
165 Jeremyc - AM DB7 Vantage
164 Scotty - Audi S4 modified
164 Mancunian - Lotus Esprit V8GT
163 Markxw - 996 C4
162 Madmile - Seat Ibiza modified
162 Outnumbered - BMW M3
162 Guymarks - TVR T350C
160 Trackdemon - Honda NSX 3.0
160 Gyrock - M3 CSL
158 Ibroker - M3 CSL
157 GregE240 - 500SL (R129 1990 vintage, pesky limiters!)
155 Spdw - Subaru WRI STI
150 Andy M - VX220 Turbo
150 Charlieboy - S4 Avant bi-turbo (my mate driving tut)
145 StuB - BMW Z3 supercharged
144 Dunc - AM V8 (mid 1990s variety)
142 Leean - Audi S3
141 Davey S1 - Lotus Exige
138 Muncher - VX220
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Originally Posted by bluenose172
Who mentioned a WR1 and who the fek mentioned an Ibiza. Jeez don't start this into a 15 page arguement about who's ****'s bigger than who's. FFS!
I'll mention anything i fancy, it was just a case of pointing out that using comments like different leagues is a load of bollocks. The wr1 was the only scoob there on the day to compare to.
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Who said anything about the Ibiza being in a different league though, he might think it's right up there, or indeed might think it's a league above, who knows, you know why.......COZ HE NEVER FECKING MENTIONED IT!!!!!
EDITED - I'm well aware what this chap drives.
EDITED - I'm well aware what this chap drives.
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Originally Posted by Frazer
Who's talking to you? We are talking about Mitchy's LCR vs the type R.....
As for different leagues, all cars have the ability to span many speed tables, look at the likes of Andy F's car. Still just a scoob though.
Last edited by RR; 26 December 2005 at 04:42 PM.