Glad everyone is ok!

I`m pesimistic like the others im afraid, skidding is a result of driving too fast for the road conditions.

 

and to prove you realy are female not many clothes in the phot if you can still be arsed to read the thread, my sympathy goes out to you ,threads like these are great for righteous people to have their ten peneth, its what makes s/n interesting. bet you wished you hadnt posted now!

 

I see people are still ignoring what i am saying then. I'm glad the nice friendly policeman was sensible (when he bothered to turn up).

I watched it happen with my own eyes. Ricco was in the car with me and watched it too. I'm really impressed how your imagination is better than my eyes!

It went into the bushes very slowly, they compacted up and it sprung up in the air.

Maybe it was driver error that he didn't catch it, but it was just bad luck that caused it in the firstplace. Too fast for the road, apparently. But the road is very VERY ****e in that case. Strange how none of the rest of us fell off the road. I overtook round the kink and i'm still here. I didn't get chucked by the bump. The audi did but the electronics caught it.


I'll take any oath (sp?) that we were not racing. As i said, pointless - we all had different cars, all know exactly how fast they are as we've known each other for years!


Whoever said it, yes it may have been a little silly to expect people on here not to fabricate their own version of events from some mobile phone pictures, by hey there it goes.

The other question about the other cars in the convoy - well mine was parked further back with hazards on (its visible in one of the poor quality pics i took, between the triangle and si's "car" and the other scoob was out the way in the side behind the triangle.

Oh and Si's girlfriend is sophie

 

twopence worth coming up...well it is nearly 1 o'clock and im bored at work...!

earlier this year, i was driving a toyota surf 4x4 in a 2 vehicle convoy in which i was the rear vehicle about 10-12 vehicle lengths behind...it was night, with no street lighting and the road was a fairly new tarmac surface, but it was dry and quite narrow...i saw the lead vehicle negotiate what appeared to be a 90 degree left-hand bend, but it kicked up quite a bit of dust as it did so...as this was my first time driving this particular route, i slowed as the dust slightly obscured my view of the road, and as i hit the bend, i took it slightly wide and the wheels hit some loose gravel that had built up at the edge of the road causing the back end to swing out...

unfortunately, i overcorrected, was unable to regain control and the vehicle slid off the left-hand side of the road, down a shallow gravel embankment, rolled and came to rest on its left-hand side...in a minefield...!!! (helps if i point out i was in kabul at the time...!!!)

in my opinion, i was not going very fast, had i been, i wouldnt even have made the bend, but wouldve overshot straight off the road (which might have been better)...i was certainly travelling no faster than the lead vehicle which safely made the bend...

i was simply unlucky that i hit some loose gravel and did not have the skill to recover the skid...no-one can realistically be expected to stop, and physically assess the road conditions every time there is the slightest suspicion they might not be ideal...i certainly couldnt have in that situation, even though i am trained to assess surface conditions where practicable; snow, deep water/sand, etc, (common sense anyway i wouldve thought)...and im sure i cant be blamed for my lack of ability to recover the skid...im not a rally driver...!

fact is, sh*t happens, and its not always anyones fault...thats what an accident is...

bri...

 

Nobody said racing ?

Making progress, out for a blast. Like you said, you get it wrong you scratch the shiny side, you live and learn, my upseide down moment was due to the daft slapper driving a Capri in which I was a passenger, no excess speed, just excess alcohol and an embankment, scary as f*ck even when drunk.

 

Yes, most people weren't there, and are commenting on the set of photos in the first post on this thread with the relatively high quality photographs.

I think most people are questioning why the skid marks are straight as opposed to crossing over - if the car was spinning I'd expect the tyres marks would indicate a non-straight path towards the hedge, as it is, it looks like the car was on the off side and headed straight towards the hedge (as in - in a straight line, not deviating at all).

At the end of the day, most people will come to conclusions based on the evidence they can see as opposed to the words of one or two people who were in the 'convoy' who were out with a mate, and who (as a convoy) have already admitted to making 'good progress' and overtaking slower moving cars, some people having to drive quicker than others to catch up again with those in front who had got away.

Face it, if it had been the same photograph with a nova/saxo/corsa on its roof, and you'd not been travelling in the convoy, would you still be open minded as the whys and wherefors of the accident?

Dave
www.scoobyphotos.com

 

[Note to self......]

If I ever crash my scooby from ****ty road conditions never even consider posting it up on scoobynet

[/note to self]

I have had a few scary moments from slippery roads but managed to get out of them without incident, that looks nasty and I know how easy it is to lost a snaking incident

 

hedges do a agreat job absorbing impact

glad you got out of that one alright.

 

Yer and very strong, those hedges are, to flip a car over.

 

The first pics ARE mobile phone pics - i took them with Si's phone, so I should know!!!

Going on past experience of seeing people post their accidents i'd have just said bad news gald ur ok etc. Maybe moaned about the state of the roads atm. I've never started slating someone for crashing and tried to make stuff up when i wasn't there to know.


As for the straight skidmarks, well the car is meant to have ABS - so maybe the was a fault.

Yes the bushes sprung it - there was only a few pushed down branches on the tree, no impact.

I've watched the video back and it really is just bad luck!

 

Video

 

Lol, yer what video?!

And how on earth can a couple of bushes flip over a 1300 kilo car??!

 

damn, good phone then, because thats pretty good quality photos!

Nobody is making things up, people are asking questions, which seem to be ignored. Again, perhaps we should all bury our heads in the sand and pretend these things 'just happen' and that it was 'unavoidable'. I personally would prefer to understand the whys and wherefores of how it happened, and then perhaps myself and other people could avoid making the same mistake (I mean, avoid having such an unfortuante incident happen to us, by random, with no one or the conditions to blame etc).

So, the 'convoy' was being video'd, must make interesting viewing, no doubt it will never see the light of day, which is a shame because it would answer all the questions people have been asking.

And yes, the ABS should have kicked in and allowed the driver to steer away from the hedge - it would be interesting to know what happened/why the ABS didn't do its job.

Dave
www.scoobyphotos.com

 

First batch of pics was on a sony ericsson 2mp thing.

I've tried to answer the other questions along the thread but the answers are ignored anyway lol.

have a good new year people i'm writing this on my phone cos i'm currently driving down to Newquay woohoo!

Andy

 

Yeah, happy new year Andy

Dave
www.scoobyphotos.com

 

So driving and texting at the same time?

 

hard lines mate hope you are ok and car covered!
not gonna pass judgement as i drive an Impreza and must be one of minority who has ever lapsed above speed limit, road conditions, or had a selt inflicted scary moment .

p.s can we have a pic of soph in same pose

 

holy ****! glad your ok, did that to my old one same time last year. chin up fella, bet you'll be back behind wheel of one again. i know i am lol

 

Don't be silly now! My missus was doing the driving FYFNI.

Actually, quite funny the thought of browsing forums whilst driving - brings a whole new meaning to using a mobile while driving LOL!

 

lol wasn't expecting that answer were you chrispurvis100

 

why so negative if si was driving like a tit he would be the first to put his hands up! so just accept what you have been told by numerous people plus has anyone looked at how close the 2 skid marks are kinda looks like it entered the bush at an angle therefore not letting the abs do its job.

Andy

 

ABS doesn't work when travelling sideways

There is a huge difference between DSC/ESC system and basic ABS.
And in a sideways scienario such as this, under no circumstances should you ever touch the brakes ABS or no ABS. All ABS does is stop you from oversteering/understeering when braking forces causes the loss of traction), it will not get you out of understeer or oversteer once it has started before braking or on throttle lift off or steering actions/direction changes.

A sideways wheel will create a skidmark as the wheel is perpendicular to the direction of rotation..regardless of if the driver is braking or not braking.

All I will say is the driver was going to fast for the conditions. How fast that speed is would be anyones guess, just that it would be below the NSL. Happens alot at this time of year, some get cuaght out, some will carry on oblivious thinking if there is no ice/snow then there is no potential hazard, until they get caught out.

 

So the phrase "when is a spin, both feet in" is a load of bolloxs then?

What rubbish.

If you are spinning, your natural reaction is to hit the brakes, not think....

"Ah I am 30 degree to the perpendicular, remember not to brake"

 

Well that's down to teh driver to comment on if he hit the brakes, I'll keep my mind open on that for now. But I agree most people do it instinctly out of habit (as their brain thinks it is the "stop bad things happening pedal" )- I see it all too often when the snow/ice comes.

Must admit I've never heard such a bizarre phrase. Me coming from offroading backgrounds has taught me quite the opposite. I never hit brakes whilst in a slide, I come off them.

 

Really Happy to see you walked away from that one, God Bless

From my point of view, I think either the driver tried cutting back after over taking a car because of the oncoming traffic or simply just lost control due to the conditions and tyres maybe. Car must have flipped in the side ditch where the bushes got caught. Well, I hope that you will get enough money out of the Insurrance to buy a good replacement and wish you a very happy 2006 mate!

 

Well happy new year to you too. Do you do anything but slag people off? How can you defend someone when you weren't even there? Its no different than any of us implying that he may have been travelling a tiny bit too fast. We weren't there, we're only going on the evidence in the photo's. What are you basing your assumptions on?
Instead of shoving your head where the sun doesn't shine, try understanding that all accidents have a cause. I am just trying to understand what really happened.

 

What by implying he is a liar!!!! Nice one!

I would consider that slagging someone off!

 

by the way that is class lmfao!!!!

 

Oh dear can you not read? Was I referring to the accident in my comment to you

 

Cheers mate, finally someone with some sense