Do people think they have priority over cyclists...
04 January 2006, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SCOsazOBY
and who would be at fault if you hit one??? the motorist yet again! 
04 January 2006, 11:06 PM
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It escapes me why a cyclist shouldnt be expected to pay for the roads they use and to have a minimu of 3rd party insurance for the times they cause and accident? If they never cause accidents the premium would obviously be very small!
Also i work in London and cyclists there have no intention of stopping at red lights day or night and they just expect you to miss them as they cut across in front of you.
I have more than once watched a Police man sit in his car at a junction and let a cyclist ride cross a red light in front of him and not do any thing, i bet if i drove across in front of him causeing cars to swerve he would stop me!
Also i work in London and cyclists there have no intention of stopping at red lights day or night and they just expect you to miss them as they cut across in front of you.
I have more than once watched a Police man sit in his car at a junction and let a cyclist ride cross a red light in front of him and not do any thing, i bet if i drove across in front of him causeing cars to swerve he would stop me!
04 January 2006, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by phelpsa
...when it comes to giving way in the same way as cars?
I was coming up to a mini roundabout on my bicycle and stopped to give way to cars coming from the right. Then, when there were no more cars from the right, I pulled out onto the roundabout. First a Land Rover Freelander charges across, possibly quite fairly as I was nowhere near that side of the roundabout at the time, but then a woman in a Ford Fiesta, who has quite obviously seen me as I made eye contact with her, decides to carry on onto the roundabout heading straight for the side of me. She screeches to a stop about a foot away from my bike, and then has the cheek to give me the middle finger!!! Being 15 I try and ride on the pavement wherever safe (ie when there are no pedestrians) but around the roundabout there were none.
Why do people not understand that you still have to give way to bicycles?
Adam
I was coming up to a mini roundabout on my bicycle and stopped to give way to cars coming from the right. Then, when there were no more cars from the right, I pulled out onto the roundabout. First a Land Rover Freelander charges across, possibly quite fairly as I was nowhere near that side of the roundabout at the time, but then a woman in a Ford Fiesta, who has quite obviously seen me as I made eye contact with her, decides to carry on onto the roundabout heading straight for the side of me. She screeches to a stop about a foot away from my bike, and then has the cheek to give me the middle finger!!! Being 15 I try and ride on the pavement wherever safe (ie when there are no pedestrians) but around the roundabout there were none.
Why do people not understand that you still have to give way to bicycles?
Adam
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05 January 2006, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Adrian F
It escapes me why a cyclist shouldnt be expected to pay for the roads they use and to have a minimu of 3rd party insurance for the times they cause and accident? If they never cause accidents the premium would obviously be very small!
Also i work in London and cyclists there have no intention of stopping at red lights day or night and they just expect you to miss them as they cut across in front of you.
I have more than once watched a Police man sit in his car at a junction and let a cyclist ride cross a red light in front of him and not do any thing, i bet if i drove across in front of him causeing cars to swerve he would stop me!
Also i work in London and cyclists there have no intention of stopping at red lights day or night and they just expect you to miss them as they cut across in front of you.
I have more than once watched a Police man sit in his car at a junction and let a cyclist ride cross a red light in front of him and not do any thing, i bet if i drove across in front of him causeing cars to swerve he would stop me!
completely agree with you here Adrian....I think THOSE cyclists that you are referring to are bang out of order and probably have their days numbered.
05 January 2006, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CLSII
Riding my bike recently up a quiet road a woman motorist who quite clearly saw me reversed out of her drive right in front of me causing me to do an emergency stop. When I asked her what the bloody hell she was doing she jumped out of her car and started shouting and screaming at me as though it had been my fault ?
She went absolutely mental until I asked her if riding a bike on this road carried the death sentence. This seemed to get through to her as she just shut up and got back in her car.......
My worst scare recently was an old dear in a Micra who overtook me and then cut in front of me...the rear of her car only missed me by about half an inch cos I hit my brakes....really scary
She went absolutely mental until I asked her if riding a bike on this road carried the death sentence. This seemed to get through to her as she just shut up and got back in her car.......
My worst scare recently was an old dear in a Micra who overtook me and then cut in front of me...the rear of her car only missed me by about half an inch cos I hit my brakes....really scary
.I withdraw my post stating my original post was potentially sexist.
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05 January 2006, 01:01 PM
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Of course the cars should have allowed you the right of way when you were on the roundabout. You can't blame motorists for getting fed up with some of the cyclists who ignore all the rules of the road though.
It is against the law for a cyclist to ride on the footpath however and should you ride past me on the footpath I give you fair warning that you are likely to come to a sudden stop should my arm crutch accidentally get stuck in your front wheel!
Les
It is against the law for a cyclist to ride on the footpath however and should you ride past me on the footpath I give you fair warning that you are likely to come to a sudden stop should my arm crutch accidentally get stuck in your front wheel!
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05 January 2006, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Of course the cars should have allowed you the right of way when you were on the roundabout. You can't blame motorists for getting fed up with some of the cyclists who ignore all the rules of the road though.
It is against the law for a cyclist to ride on the footpath however and should you ride past me on the footpath I give you fair warning that you are likely to come to a sudden stop should my arm crutch accidentally get stuck in your front wheel!
Les
It is against the law for a cyclist to ride on the footpath however and should you ride past me on the footpath I give you fair warning that you are likely to come to a sudden stop should my arm crutch accidentally get stuck in your front wheel!
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05 January 2006, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Sure, but I see far more cyclist (assuming I do see all the ones I pass) at night without lights on than I do any other kind of road vehicle. I see far more cyclists illegally riding on the pavement than I do any other kind of road vehicle (with the possible exception of motorcycle couriers in London 
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Yes I'm generalising, but you don't need to pass a test to ride a bike on the road, and in general as a cyclist I'm appauled at the standard of riding on the roads, and not just by kids.
)Yes I'm generalising, but you don't need to pass a test to ride a bike on the road, and in general as a cyclist I'm appauled at the standard of riding on the roads, and not just by kids.
This morning a twentysomething cyclist pulls infront of me onto the roundabout on a red light, edges forward (still red) and promptly pulls away as soon as the road is clear (still on a red) this on a large busy rouandabout in rush hour.
Last night - some little **** dressed in black/dark clothes and bike, no lights or reflecters came from nowhere, straight out infront of me and nearly ended up under my wheels, luckily i was below the 30 limit and just caught the movemewnt out of the corner of my eye and braked/swerved.
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05 January 2006, 03:36 PM
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I'll try not to get on my high horse because I know that this is a very prickly subject, but there are two important points to my mind:
1, It <i>is</i> legal to ride two abreast. Most riders single out because they know that it makes it easier to overtake; drivers seem to have mistaken this courtesy for obligation.
2, Drivers shouldn't bother preaching about riders who disobey the rules of the road - which they shouldn't do - there's not a driver on this forum who hasn't brocken the speed limit or driven in a manor not laid down by the Highway Code.
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1, It <i>is</i> legal to ride two abreast. Most riders single out because they know that it makes it easier to overtake; drivers seem to have mistaken this courtesy for obligation.
2, Drivers shouldn't bother preaching about riders who disobey the rules of the road - which they shouldn't do - there's not a driver on this forum who hasn't brocken the speed limit or driven in a manor not laid down by the Highway Code.
NENO
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05 January 2006, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NENO
I'll try not to get on my high horse because I know that this is a very prickly subject, but there are two important points to my mind:
1, It <i>is</i> legal to ride two abreast. Most riders single out because they know that it makes it easier to overtake; drivers seem to have mistaken this courtesy for obligation.
2, Drivers shouldn't bother preaching about riders who disobey the rules of the road - which they shouldn't do - there's not a driver on this forum who hasn't brocken the speed limit or driven in a manor not laid down by the Highway Code.
NENO
PS Someone please remind me how to italics a word.
1, It <i>is</i> legal to ride two abreast. Most riders single out because they know that it makes it easier to overtake; drivers seem to have mistaken this courtesy for obligation.
2, Drivers shouldn't bother preaching about riders who disobey the rules of the road - which they shouldn't do - there's not a driver on this forum who hasn't brocken the speed limit or driven in a manor not laid down by the Highway Code.
NENO
PS Someone please remind me how to italics a word.
05 January 2006, 03:59 PM
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What hacks me off about cyclists, or should that be that cyclits, is that our local council spent hundreds of thousands of pounds creating a cycle track to make them safer from traffic on the main road, which involved the cutting down numerous cherry trees and the loss of thousands of feet of nice green grass verges which they then replaced with tarmac and kerbing, and yet still the bloody cyclists insist on riding on the road!
The council couldnt afford to have spent the money on widening the road and reducing conjestion caused by bloody bicycles riding two abreast though could they!
The council couldnt afford to have spent the money on widening the road and reducing conjestion caused by bloody bicycles riding two abreast though could they!
05 January 2006, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 555wrx
What hacks me off about cyclists, or should that be that cyclits, is that our local council spent hundreds of thousands of pounds creating a cycle track to make them safer from traffic on the main road, which involved the cutting down numerous cherry trees and the loss of thousands of feet of nice green grass verges which they then replaced with tarmac and kerbing, and yet still the bloody cyclists insist on riding on the road!
The council couldnt afford to have spent the money on widening the road and reducing conjestion caused by bloody bicycles riding two abreast though could they!
The council couldnt afford to have spent the money on widening the road and reducing conjestion caused by bloody bicycles riding two abreast though could they!
For every poorly riden/law breaking cycle think of how many cars you've seen doing the same, or more likely much worse.
..And in 9 years of driving I cannot even think of 1 time 2 cyclists riding abrest have slowed me down, talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Believe me riding a bike really opens your eyes as to how stressfull car drivers lives must be, and the anger in the replies kinda makes me think you lot need to chill a little. Is getting held up all of 10 seconds by a cyclist worth an early grave?? Providing the cyclist doesn't get hit by one of you lot releasing all your anger in 1 go they'll be the ones living a healthy retirement, perhaps some of you should try it?!?!?
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05 January 2006, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NENO
1, It is legal to ride two abreast. Most riders single out because they know that it makes it easier to overtake; drivers seem to have mistaken this courtesy for obligation.
05 January 2006, 05:17 PM
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Note this is a Legal issue and not just a recommendation - so beware those who cycle on the pavement.
I can't find the bit about riding 2 abreast but I'm pretty sure that it is a recommendation that you should NOT ride more than 2 abreast. That doesn't mean that you should ride 2 abreast.
Originally Posted by Highway Code
54: You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. Do not leave your cycle where it would endanger or obstruct road users or pedestrians, for example, lying on the pavement. Use cycle parking facilities where provided.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A sect 129
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A sect 129
I can't find the bit about riding 2 abreast but I'm pretty sure that it is a recommendation that you should NOT ride more than 2 abreast. That doesn't mean that you should ride 2 abreast.
05 January 2006, 06:27 PM
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Why do people ride two a breast??? So they can have a natter whilst riding along the road!
Mobile Phones are banned whilst diving so what gives two cyclists the right to ride along chatting away without paying full attention to the road and the surroundings!
Mobile Phones are banned whilst diving so what gives two cyclists the right to ride along chatting away without paying full attention to the road and the surroundings!
05 January 2006, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by King RA
Thing is you'll notice that cycle paths are generally of poor quality and are interspersed with junctions constantly, it's actually easier to ride in the road.
[quote[ a well riden cycle is of little hinderence and of no danger to any car.[/quote]
Sorry to say that I have not seen one of these for a very long time, in fact the last cyclist I came across obstructed me for over three miles by continually riding in the middle of the road and making no concession or consideration for any other road users.
05 January 2006, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by King RA
Thing is you'll notice that cycle paths are generally of poor quality and are interspersed with junctions constantly
The roads here are ****e, as we live ' out in the sticks' or west of Bristol to be exact.
Our area is considered a place where we all either drive tractors or go out in fishing boats, so the ' townies' buy up the houses to make quaint holiday homes out of them.
On the one week of the year that they live here, the whole bloody family don garish cycling clobber, go out on a family bike ride with daddy riding one of those bikes with a ' tow-a-long' bike thingy on the back of it so their brat can get the benifit of breathing in car exhaust fumes, their kids are out of control, darting allover the place, whilst mumsey is busy pointing at cows and trees and the like, and the whole point of my rave is that they ride on the main road and not the sodding cycle path!
Is it any wonder that Im a ' stressful' car driver?
05 January 2006, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ODB
Sorry to single you out but this attitude really annoys me. There is a dedicated lane being provided for you yet you choose to ride in the road. If for example there was a bus lane and the bus decided to drive in the other lanes causing further congestion and distruption for other traffic then they would be quite rightly criticised. The same applies for middle lane hoggers on the motorway. Its really not a valid arguement IMHO, in fact it does nothing than promote the very selfish attitude that many people see cyclists processing.
Sorry to say that I have not seen one of these for a very long time, in fact the last cyclist I came across obstructed me for over three miles by continually riding in the middle of the road and making no concession or consideration for any other road users.
Sorry to say that I have not seen one of these for a very long time, in fact the last cyclist I came across obstructed me for over three miles by continually riding in the middle of the road and making no concession or consideration for any other road users.
Just because a 'lane' has been provided does not make it the best option to use. If you actually took time to look at these paths you will notice they are designed for your average halfords special. I use these paths where I can, yet fully understand why people do not take their expensive racing 'road' bikes on them, because it will cause damage. It is very often these aformentioned bikers that do not use these lanes.
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05 January 2006, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 555wrx
And the point that you are trying to make is............
The roads here are ****e, as we live ' out in the sticks' or west of Bristol to be exact.
Our area is considered a place where we all either drive tractors or go out in fishing boats, so the ' townies' buy up the houses to make quaint holiday homes out of them.
On the one week of the year that they live here, the whole bloody family don garish cycling clobber, go out on a family bike ride with daddy riding one of those bikes with a ' tow-a-long' bike thingy on the back of it so their brat can get the benifit of breathing in car exhaust fumes, their kids are out of control, darting allover the place, whilst mumsey is busy pointing at cows and trees and the like, and the whole point of my rave is that they ride on the main road and not the sodding cycle path!
Is it any wonder that Im a ' stressful' car driver?
The roads here are ****e, as we live ' out in the sticks' or west of Bristol to be exact.
Our area is considered a place where we all either drive tractors or go out in fishing boats, so the ' townies' buy up the houses to make quaint holiday homes out of them.
On the one week of the year that they live here, the whole bloody family don garish cycling clobber, go out on a family bike ride with daddy riding one of those bikes with a ' tow-a-long' bike thingy on the back of it so their brat can get the benifit of breathing in car exhaust fumes, their kids are out of control, darting allover the place, whilst mumsey is busy pointing at cows and trees and the like, and the whole point of my rave is that they ride on the main road and not the sodding cycle path!
Is it any wonder that Im a ' stressful' car driver?
Might I add how stressfull can it be if this occurs on 1 week every year? Perhaps you should coincide your holidays with theirs??
06 January 2006, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by King RA
Please do not tar us all with the same brush. You obviously live in an area with thin roads, as I cannot imagine a single place you could be held up for 3 miles around here, even 30 meters is hard to fathom. If the cyclist was riding in the middle of the road and being obstructive then you have my sympathy, but please remember this is not the norm.
Just because a 'lane' has been provided does not make it the best option to use. If you actually took time to look at these paths you will notice they are designed for your average halfords special. I use these paths where I can, yet fully understand why people do not take their expensive racing 'road' bikes on them, because it will cause damage. It is very often these aformentioned bikers that do not use these lanes.
06 January 2006, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ODB
The thin roads are a direct result of the cycle paths that the county council decided to install at the request of cyclists who found the roads too dangerous (some of whom then complained about them). So they narrowed the road and then installed cycle paths, was this a minor road or side street, no this was a major A road complete with HGVs and buses which now struggle to get past any cyclist or even get through the traffic islands that have been left in place. 3 miles is not hard to fanthom, due to the narrowness of the road and the oncoming traffic there is no way to pass a cyclist if they ride in the road. Also the when narrowing the road the council left in the traffic islands that are one about every two hundred yards, so you can't even edge out and squeeze past. The one I got stuck behind was in the middle of the road and may no attempt to allow traffic to pass.
The paths are better than the roads, no pot holes or uneven surfaces or man hole covers. I have never seen a cycle path that is worse than a road, so why you want to take an expensive road bike on the road when a safer option exists I do not know.
The paths are better than the roads, no pot holes or uneven surfaces or man hole covers. I have never seen a cycle path that is worse than a road, so why you want to take an expensive road bike on the road when a safer option exists I do not know.
) and some ignorant cyclists!! I see many cars on my travels depicting similar behavior, yet do not assume everybody is an idiot
06 January 2006, 10:10 AM
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Technically cyclists shouldn't use the highway as they are not TAX'd aor insured.
I am being somewhat **** here though.
I cycle often, but prefer to do so in France as UK drivers are all red faced stroppy, ignorant w'a'nkers.
I am being somewhat **** here though.
I cycle often, but prefer to do so in France as UK drivers are all red faced stroppy, ignorant w'a'nkers.
06 January 2006, 10:15 AM
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why the hell should cyclists get priority, they dont even pay road tax yet they are given all these pretty cycle lanes that have reduce the roads from 2 lanes for cars to one.
my drive to work has doubled because of this.
they dont have to pay congestion charge, yet again all these cycle lanes are popping up so us motorists loose out to more traffic, less roads, more congestion charges
my drive to work has doubled because of this.
they dont have to pay congestion charge, yet again all these cycle lanes are popping up so us motorists loose out to more traffic, less roads, more congestion charges
06 January 2006, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rb5 286
why the hell should cyclists get priority, they dont even pay road tax yet they are given all these pretty cycle lanes that have reduce the roads from 2 lanes for cars to one.
my drive to work has doubled because of this.
they dont have to pay congestion charge, yet again all these cycle lanes are popping up so us motorists loose out to more traffic, less roads, more congestion charges
my drive to work has doubled because of this.
they dont have to pay congestion charge, yet again all these cycle lanes are popping up so us motorists loose out to more traffic, less roads, more congestion charges
Note, I do not use cycle lanes. as punctures aren't much fun.
06 January 2006, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rb5 286
my drive to work has doubled because of this.