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Originally Posted by RedFive
Mourning is about yourself though, not about the dead. Six Feet Under comes to mind
Your best mate now dies, if you really believe in the Christian interpretation, then assuming they have gone to heaven, you will join them there in a few short years to spend all eternity in bliss. So surely now you should be delighted for them??
For me, anybody that dies is worm fodder, there is no re-union so yes I find it upsetting, but why a Christian? Interesting that they have to bring in the little caveat that suicide is wrong in the eyes of the Lord otherwise everybody that belived would just top themseleves and bypass the pain in the *** 2 score and 10 on earth and fast forward to the good bit.
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Olly, the church answer to that is that only God has the right to take a life - not man. Even if the life is your own.
Personally I believe that there is something after life. I don't know what - I've not been there - so i don't know if it's better or worse. Just something else.
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Personally I believe that there is something after life. I don't know what - I've not been there - so i don't know if it's better or worse. Just something else.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Personally I believe that there is something after life. I don't know what - I've not been there - so i don't know if it's better or worse. Just something else.
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Each to their own but I personally would struggle to understand someone believing in something that cannot be proved.
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Originally Posted by RedFive
Cue a very long thread about Freemasons
Though for the record God preceded Freemasonry for me. And indeed a belief in a supreme being is a prerequisite for becoming a mason...
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If your best friend gets a cracking job and moves away to the USA are you upset that they have gone to a better life? Maybe a little, you may not see them as often, but on the whole, I hope you'd be happy for them.
For me, anybody that dies is worm fodder
(I'm not saying I disagree with that, trying to argue the "other" side.)
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Would it be fair to say you would like to believe in afterlife rather than believe it. I think Believing in something than cannot be proved is a little foolish although theres no harm in saying I would like to believe there is something.
Each to their own but I personally would struggle to understand someone believing in something that cannot be proved.
Each to their own but I personally would struggle to understand someone believing in something that cannot be proved.
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See now where at the bit where if you believe that you are going to a place akin to paradise and that by blowing yourself up it is a good thing it's not that far away from what some people believe about being a Christian etc. All brainwashed idiots IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
No, I do believe it. One day I will receive proof. I won't be able to pass it on, of course, but that's another matter entirely...
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Originally Posted by Reality
Interesting point.
So you believe in God but you would consider anyone who had met him some sort of nutter - Like most people would (be they religous or not).
Why can't we meet God if he/she/it exists ?
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PS The answer to my question is because he only exists in some people's heads !
So you believe in God but you would consider anyone who had met him some sort of nutter - Like most people would (be they religous or not).
Why can't we meet God if he/she/it exists ?
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PS The answer to my question is because he only exists in some people's heads !
Who says we can't meet or see God? You need a definition of what God is before you can make that call, and as you deny His existence then you'll be pushed to define him. If you are a person who sees God as a person, that benevolent old man sitting ona cloud, then you'll not, I suggest, meet Him in this life. But if you see God as something else, or perhaps more accurately see Him in something else - then you may just be in luck...
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Originally Posted by davegtt
LOL.. you believe it, you dont know it, you dont have proof and one day you may recieve proof that your beliefs are all wrong. You fail to mention that. Just because you believe it, it doesnt mean its going to happen. one of us are right, there is or is not an afterlife. I hope to be proved wrong and there is but wont (or at least can't) be dissapointed if Im right. You seem to think by believing it in you'll be right when the time comes.
On the contrary, I'll not be disappointed at all if I'm wrong.
I won't be anything at all if I'm wrong. Apart from a worm condo, that is.
Belief and faith, by their very nature, are extremely difficult to explain or rationalise. But hey - I've given it a try. And I'm quite enjoying the mental exercise, too
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
See now where at the bit where if you believe that you are going to a place akin to paradise and that by blowing yourself up it is a good thing it's not that far away from what some people believe about being a Christian etc. All brainwashed idiots IMHO.
You should be a spin doctor - able to concoct whatever you want from the data that's actually in front of you...
For the record (though you'll probably misinterpret this as well), as far as I understand there is no religious teaching that says it's OK to commit suicide other than Shinto. Which is polyatheistic (sp?) and so doesn't really count anyway...
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Not necessarily. I'm not qualified to say if someone who believes they have met God is delusional or blessed.
Who says we can't meet or see God? You need a definition of what God is before you can make that call, and as you deny His existence then you'll be pushed to define him. If you are a person who sees God as a person, that benevolent old man sitting ona cloud, then you'll not, I suggest, meet Him in this life. But if you see God as something else, or perhaps more accurately see Him in something else - then you may just be in luck...
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Who says we can't meet or see God? You need a definition of what God is before you can make that call, and as you deny His existence then you'll be pushed to define him. If you are a person who sees God as a person, that benevolent old man sitting ona cloud, then you'll not, I suggest, meet Him in this life. But if you see God as something else, or perhaps more accurately see Him in something else - then you may just be in luck...
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You sound like you believe that we were created by something unkown to ourselves and that that something exists in a place we don't fully understand - I put it to you that that is not believing in God - It could well be an all seeing all knowing Dog (As neither of us really knows) .
Sheep believe in God, Some people believe in "A greater power not fully known to us" and I believe in Olly's Worms .
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Olly, the church answer to that is that only God has the right to take a life - not man. Even if the life is your own.
The only trouble is of course is in the bible there are things like "an eye for an eye", and the punishment for adultery by a woman which kind of go against that, but then the bible isn't renowned for being self consistent.
Personally I believe that there is something after life. I don't know what - I've not been there - so i don't know if it's better or worse. Just something else.
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Each to their own but I personally would struggle to understand someone believing in something that cannot be proved.
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No no, I'll behave
Though for the record God preceded Freemasonry for me. And indeed a belief in a supreme being is a prerequisite for becoming a mason...
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Though for the record God preceded Freemasonry for me. And indeed a belief in a supreme being is a prerequisite for becoming a mason...
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OK, first of all, I may have replied on that thread as EvilBevel, an account I no longer have the password for.
Secondly: I learned a lot from that thread...
(imagine someone saying that on a BBS But then again you deserve a kudo for that thread alone...)
Anyhoo.
In my little mind/culture/upbringing/uni/blah, freemasons were always atheists. Why ? Because I was born/brought up/etc... in Belgium/France.
It was only after that thread I realized that there is a major difference between masons in the UK and France/Belgium, and that I was ill-informed. (Ill-Luminated if you will )
Over here, politically & historically, it was always about free-thinking, which meant - back then - being liberal (in the 19th century UK sense of word...) and *thus* being anti-clerical. (read: you guys never got invaded by those catholic Spaniard doods like we did )
I remember you mostly ignored me back then, in that thread. Shame on you! At least I knew you ride a bike and if I'm not mistaken are an instructor or something like that. D'oh. Or posted on Evo But that's all smalltalk...
Don't worry, I'm not a Mason. Nobody ever thought I was smart enough for that LOL I still hate 'm for that. Bugger
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Originally Posted by RedFive
Which also would mean that everybody/everything that gets born is worm fodder. Agreed ? I'm sure quite a few parents on here may have a problem with that.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
No, I do believe it. One day I will receive proof. I won't be able to pass it on, of course, but that's another matter entirely...
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Originally Posted by davegtt
I think Believing in something than cannot be proved is a little foolish although theres no harm in saying I would like to believe there is something.
Try proving flat screen television in the 17th century.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Which part of "Personally I believe that there is something after life. I don't know what - I've not been there - so i don't know if it's better or worse. Just something else." do you take to mean that it's OK to blow myself up because I'll go to paradise?
You should be a spin doctor - able to concoct whatever you want from the data that's actually in front of you...
For the record (though you'll probably misinterpret this as well), as far as I understand there is no religious teaching that says it's OK to commit suicide other than Shinto. Which is polyatheistic (sp?) and so doesn't really count anyway...
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You should be a spin doctor - able to concoct whatever you want from the data that's actually in front of you...
For the record (though you'll probably misinterpret this as well), as far as I understand there is no religious teaching that says it's OK to commit suicide other than Shinto. Which is polyatheistic (sp?) and so doesn't really count anyway...
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
See now where at the bit where if you believe that you are going to a place akin to paradise and that by blowing yourself up it is a good thing it's not that far away from what some people believe about being a Christian etc. All brainwashed idiots IMHO.
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Originally Posted by RedFive
Where to start
OK, first of all, I may have replied on that thread as EvilBevel, an account I no longer have the password for.
Secondly: I learned a lot from that thread...
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I remember you mostly ignored me back then, in that thread. Shame on you! At least I knew you ride a bike and if I'm not mistaken are an instructor or something like that. D'oh. Or posted on Evo But that's all smalltalk...
Don't worry, I'm not a Mason. Nobody ever thought I was smart enough for that LOL I still hate 'm for that. Bugger
OK, first of all, I may have replied on that thread as EvilBevel, an account I no longer have the password for.
Secondly: I learned a lot from that thread...
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I remember you mostly ignored me back then, in that thread. Shame on you! At least I knew you ride a bike and if I'm not mistaken are an instructor or something like that. D'oh. Or posted on Evo But that's all smalltalk...
Don't worry, I'm not a Mason. Nobody ever thought I was smart enough for that LOL I still hate 'm for that. Bugger
Sorry i ignored you. I'm guessing that I had my hands rather full at the time but nonetheless you should have got a response. then again, you did say "mostly ignored"...
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
You need a definition of what God is before you can make that call,
and as you deny His existence then you'll be pushed to define him.
If you are a person who sees God as a person, that benevolent old man sitting ona cloud, then you'll not, I suggest, meet Him in this life. But if you see God as something else, or perhaps more accurately see Him in something else - then you may just be in luck...
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
For the record (though you'll probably misinterpret this as well), as far as I understand there is no religious teaching that says it's OK to commit suicide other than Shinto. Which is polyatheistic (sp?) and so doesn't really count anyway...
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I have often found that those who vehemently deny the existence of God find it more convenient not to follow a religion and their sometimes unpleasant remarks addressed towards those who do believe in a religion are purely an attempt at an excuse for their own beliefs, or lack of!
My own beliefs are of no consequence on this thread, purely of interest to me alone.
I do think however that we are all fully entitled to believe whatever our consciences dictate and that it is unfair and illogical to berate someone for having a different outlook on life to yourself as long as they follow the basic tenets of Natural Law.
I see nothing wrong in any religion which encourages its followers to lead a good, honest, and blameless life.
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My own beliefs are of no consequence on this thread, purely of interest to me alone.
I do think however that we are all fully entitled to believe whatever our consciences dictate and that it is unfair and illogical to berate someone for having a different outlook on life to yourself as long as they follow the basic tenets of Natural Law.
I see nothing wrong in any religion which encourages its followers to lead a good, honest, and blameless life.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I see nothing wrong in any religion which encourages its followers to lead a good, honest, and blameless life.
But when you get good Christians telling other good Christians that the Tsunami was the fault of the poofs a line has been well and truly crossed.
When you get Bush saying he Invaded Eye-Rack because God Told him too you're in big trouble.
I could go on but I might upset some Priest or his Flock. Why do some Priests refer to their congregations as their flock
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I have often found that those who vehemently deny the existence of God find it more convenient not to follow a religion and their sometimes unpleasant remarks addressed towards those who do believe in a religion are purely an attempt at an excuse for their own beliefs, or lack of!
My own beliefs are of no consequence on this thread, purely of interest to me alone.
I do think however that we are all fully entitled to believe whatever our consciences dictate and that it is unfair and illogical to berate someone for having a different outlook on life to yourself as long as they follow the basic tenets of Natural Law.
I do think however that we are all fully entitled to believe whatever our consciences dictate and that it is unfair and illogical to berate someone for having a different outlook on life to yourself as long as they follow the basic tenets of Natural Law.
I see nothing wrong in any religion which encourages its followers to lead a good, honest, and blameless life.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Olly, the church answer to that is that only God has the right to take a life - not man. Even if the life is your own.
Personally I believe that there is something after life. I don't know what - I've not been there - so i don't know if it's better or worse. Just something else.
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Personally I believe that there is something after life. I don't know what - I've not been there - so i don't know if it's better or worse. Just something else.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Thanks for the kind words and I'm glad you learned. Hopefully others did as well...
Sorry i ignored you. I'm guessing that I had my hands rather full at the time but nonetheless you should have got a response. then again, you did say "mostly ignored"...
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Sorry i ignored you. I'm guessing that I had my hands rather full at the time but nonetheless you should have got a response. then again, you did say "mostly ignored"...
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