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25 January 2006, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Mate,
ChrisP was a well known and respected member of this BBS, that many on here knew personally.
Aside from the fact that you insured him (fair enough, feel free to offer what condolences you will) and he was driving a Subaru, there is no more reason for posts of condolences from complete strangers who appear to care less about far more tragic world events and only give a **** because he was (potentialy irresponsibly) driving a bloody impreza.
ChrisP was a well known and respected member of this BBS, that many on here knew personally.
Aside from the fact that you insured him (fair enough, feel free to offer what condolences you will) and he was driving a Subaru, there is no more reason for posts of condolences from complete strangers who appear to care less about far more tragic world events and only give a **** because he was (potentialy irresponsibly) driving a bloody impreza.
25 January 2006, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sgcooby
He may well have been a member that we spoke to regularly. Whether he was or not it is still very sad none the less. A bit harsh making presumptions about peoples feelings regarding world events. This is a scooby forum after all and not a world events forum. It would be a desparate place to live if no-one gave a ****. Have a heart. Nothing wrong with expressing condolances for a fellow scoob owner and by doing so does not mean we feel nothing about every other road fatality but we cant post on every forum in the world that relates to every other poor persons demise.
Shall we also refrain from expressing condolences when someone posts about being poorly treated at work, by the police, expresses disgust when a criminal gets away free, whilst a motorist gets charged for doing 5mph over the limt? How about when people have good news: they get a raise, promotion, new GF, new car- that's most of the posts on NSR for you.Should we refrain from offering congratulations? Why should we care, we don't know them?
No, I didn't know Chris P, I didn't know the gentleman whio died in the Scooby in the news link, I didn't know Richard Burns. But they all died too young, they'll all leave behind grieving family and friends and that's a damn shame! Of course, I'm not going to loose any sleep over their loss -I didn't know them- but there no reason why someone can't appreciate that an event is tradgic -even if their response is not an emotional one.
If, knowing someone is a pre-requisite for posting on here with any conviction on sincerity, then we might as well close SN now!
What I find particularly objectionable is that the people who presume to know how other people feel about these things often then go on to make spurious assumptions about other things, case in point: we do not know that this person was driving irresponsibly, it could have been a spillage, ice, mechanical failure, other party involved....
If you find sympathy threads objectionable, keep clear of them; you don't have to look. DO NOT, however, presume to question other people's sincerity in expressing a bit of regret that something unfortunate has happened.
*Rant over*
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25 January 2006, 02:24 PM
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echo the sentiments of the previous 2.
especially NS04, very well put sir and I am sure echo's loads of people sentiments.
Let people express themselves how they want..full stop. dont question it, dont analyze it, just let it be.
It makes for a much better and well rounded community.
especially NS04, very well put sir and I am sure echo's loads of people sentiments.
Let people express themselves how they want..full stop. dont question it, dont analyze it, just let it be.
It makes for a much better and well rounded community.
25 January 2006, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Agreed, this is a Subaru Forum, if we can't express sympathy for people who've lost lives in an accident involving Subarus, then should be also refrain from expressing condolences when someone's car gets vandalised, or stolen? Shall we not offer advice when someone asks for reccomendations about mods that might damage their cars? Shall we avoid waving to fellow scoobies? That covers most of the posts on the General and Was It You sections, as well as the technical sections. After all we don't know them, why should we care?
Shall we also refrain from getting upset when someone posts about being poorly treated at work, by the police, expresses disgust when a criminal gets away free, whilst a motorist gets charged for doing 5mph over the limt? How about when people have good news: they get a raise, promotion, new GF, new car- that's most of the posts on NSR for you. Why should we care, we don't know them?
No, I didn't know Chris P, I didn't know the gentleman whio died in the Scooby in the news link, I didn't know Richard Burns. But they all died too young, they'll all leave behind grieving family and friends and that's a damn shame! Of course, I'm not going to loose any sleep over their loss -I didn't know them- but there no reason why someone can't appreciate that an event is tradgic -even if their response is not an emotional one.
If, knowing someone is a pre-requisite for posting on here with any conviction on sincerity, then we might as well close SN now!
What I find particularly objectionable is that the people who presume to know how other people feel about these things often then go on to make spurious assumptions about other things, case in point: we do not know that this person was driving irresponsibly, it could have been a spillage, ice, mechanical failure, other part involved....
If you find sympathy threads objectionable, keep clear of them; you don't have to look. DO NOT, however, presume to question other people's sincerity in expressing a bit of regret that something unfortunate has happened.
*Rant over*
NS04
Shall we also refrain from getting upset when someone posts about being poorly treated at work, by the police, expresses disgust when a criminal gets away free, whilst a motorist gets charged for doing 5mph over the limt? How about when people have good news: they get a raise, promotion, new GF, new car- that's most of the posts on NSR for you. Why should we care, we don't know them?
No, I didn't know Chris P, I didn't know the gentleman whio died in the Scooby in the news link, I didn't know Richard Burns. But they all died too young, they'll all leave behind grieving family and friends and that's a damn shame! Of course, I'm not going to loose any sleep over their loss -I didn't know them- but there no reason why someone can't appreciate that an event is tradgic -even if their response is not an emotional one.
If, knowing someone is a pre-requisite for posting on here with any conviction on sincerity, then we might as well close SN now!
What I find particularly objectionable is that the people who presume to know how other people feel about these things often then go on to make spurious assumptions about other things, case in point: we do not know that this person was driving irresponsibly, it could have been a spillage, ice, mechanical failure, other part involved....
If you find sympathy threads objectionable, keep clear of them; you don't have to look. DO NOT, however, presume to question other people's sincerity in expressing a bit of regret that something unfortunate has happened.
*Rant over*
NS04
I wonder how much sincerity would be shown if the thread was titled "Nova Crash" and had involved 18 year old "Chav" John Smith losing control, crashing and not surviving the impact?
Of course the term "chav" is overused and subjective, and the aforementioned John Smith may have had a loving and caring family, may have been a decent bloke just pushing it a little too far (as most of us have done) and got caught out.
There is a huge difference between a poster seeking help and advice and a third party event, albeit tragic. It appears you can't see the difference.
There are more
's etc, posted on threads like these than there are on threads about thousands dying due to natural disasters.Sincerity? Try hypocracy, it has a better fit. And don't take it personally, this is not a personal issue, its an observation on human nature.
25 January 2006, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Really?
I wonder how much sincerity would be shown if the thread was titled "Nova Crash" and had involved 18 year old "Chav" John Smith losing control, crashing and not surviving the impact?
Of course the term "chav" is overused and subjective, and the aforementioned John Smith may have had a loving and caring family, may have been a decent bloke just pushing it a little too far (as most of us have done) and got caught out.
There is a huge difference between a poster seeking help and advice and a third party event, albeit tragic. It appears you can't see the difference.
There are more's etc, posted on threads like these than there are on threads about thousands dying due to natural disasters.
Sincerity? Try hypocracy, it has a better fit. And don't take it personally, this is not a personal issue, its an observation on human nature.
I wonder how much sincerity would be shown if the thread was titled "Nova Crash" and had involved 18 year old "Chav" John Smith losing control, crashing and not surviving the impact?
Of course the term "chav" is overused and subjective, and the aforementioned John Smith may have had a loving and caring family, may have been a decent bloke just pushing it a little too far (as most of us have done) and got caught out.
There is a huge difference between a poster seeking help and advice and a third party event, albeit tragic. It appears you can't see the difference.
There are more
's etc, posted on threads like these than there are on threads about thousands dying due to natural disasters.Sincerity? Try hypocracy, it has a better fit. And don't take it personally, this is not a personal issue, its an observation on human nature.
I can't speak for anyone else, but -jokes about chavs aside- I would hate to hear of a 30 yr old killed in any car accident!!
My point is that if you don't believe that anyone gives a damn about the victim, then that's your opinion, and you're perfectly entitled to it. I respect that. It is NOT however a fact.
I just do not feel it is necessary to side track the thread and cast doubt over the motives of those who have posted. You have a personal, not a definitive view on people's sincerity, just as I have mine.
If I posted on the ChrisP (or god forbid the Richard Burns) thread claiming that it was hippocritical that most people were posting condolences on the basis that some will not have known him at all, I would be flamed and rightly so.
There is a time and place to question these types of threads and I would respectfully suggest that a condolence thread itself is not one of them.
Best,
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25 January 2006, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Really?
I wonder how much sincerity would be shown if the thread was titled "Nova Crash" and had involved 18 year old "Chav" John Smith losing control, crashing and not surviving the impact?
Of course the term "chav" is overused and subjective, and the aforementioned John Smith may have had a loving and caring family, may have been a decent bloke just pushing it a little too far (as most of us have done) and got caught out.
There is a huge difference between a poster seeking help and advice and a third party event, albeit tragic. It appears you can't see the difference.
There are more's etc, posted on threads like these than there are on threads about thousands dying due to natural disasters.
Sincerity? Try hypocracy, it has a better fit. And don't take it personally, this is not a personal issue, its an observation on human nature.
I wonder how much sincerity would be shown if the thread was titled "Nova Crash" and had involved 18 year old "Chav" John Smith losing control, crashing and not surviving the impact?
Of course the term "chav" is overused and subjective, and the aforementioned John Smith may have had a loving and caring family, may have been a decent bloke just pushing it a little too far (as most of us have done) and got caught out.
There is a huge difference between a poster seeking help and advice and a third party event, albeit tragic. It appears you can't see the difference.
There are more
's etc, posted on threads like these than there are on threads about thousands dying due to natural disasters.Sincerity? Try hypocracy, it has a better fit. And don't take it personally, this is not a personal issue, its an observation on human nature.
25 January 2006, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sgcooby
Article about a Nova crash, as you put it, wouldnt be posted on here as its a scooby forum. Ill bet the vauxhall boys will be posting their condolances for said unknown Nova driver, if it ever happened, without resorting to bad taste like whinging about hypocracy etc. Get a grip and save your arguments for a more suitable thread. If you dont wish any condolabces then dont bother posting.
More an observation by the original poster.
25 January 2006, 03:27 PM
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[quote=Diablo]It not really a condolances thread, though, is it?
More an observation by the original poster.[/quot
Whatever. Just hope you dont ever have to post bad news on here.
More an observation by the original poster.[/quot
Whatever. Just hope you dont ever have to post bad news on here.
25 January 2006, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
It not really a condolances thread, though, is it?
More an observation by the original poster.
More an observation by the original poster.
Who is to say the guy isn't a well know member on here?
If you have any concerns over not wanting to read this thread then go onto another one. There are almost 1,500,000 posts in muppets for you to analyse and have a pop at.
Yeah most people on here wouldn't have a clue who the guy is, but some still choose show their respects.
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I guess its not explicitly labeled as one, but given the nature and wording of the original post, I can't really see how it could be much else. An asumption on my part: if the poster thought that no-one would care and reply with condolences, then they'd be not much point in posting it.
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25 January 2006, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Who is to say the guy isn't a well know member on here?
Look, I'm not saying its something to be dismissed. Of course its a tragedy. But its a tragedy for those who raised/loved/lived with/knew the guy.
For the rest, its not nice, but I'll bet no one posting on this thread lost any sleep over it last night.
25 January 2006, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
For the rest, its not nice, but I'll bet no one posting on this thread lost any sleep over it last night.
At the end of the day SN is a community. If you don't want to get invoved with others in the community on the basis that you don't know or care about them, don't contribute. I don't know anyone on here personally, but I still wish them all the best with their cars and their lives etc... and feel sufficently motivated to contribute the odd post. If not -and I didn't give a crap about anyone- there'd be no point posting on here and I'd use my new found free time utilizing the the web for it's real purpose: ****!!!
Just cause you won't spend the night in tears about something, doesn't mean you can't be saddened by some news, nor does it nulify the validity of a few words of condolence.
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25 January 2006, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Of course not, they probably didn't loose much sleep about x's vandalised car, or y's speeding ticket, but that's not the point- there isn't a threshold for involvement that needs to be reached in order to warrant a post. A few words of support might just mean a lot to someone, it might mean sweet F.A.
At the end of the day SN is a community. If you don't want to get invoved with others in the community on the basis that you don't know or care about them, don't contribute. I don't know anyone on here personally, but I still wish them all the best with their cars and their lives etc... and feel sufficently motivated to contribute the odd post. If not -and I didn't give a crap about anyone- there'd be no point posting on here and I'd use my new found free time utilizing the the web for it's real purpose: ****!!!
Just cause you won't spend the night in tears about something, doesn't mean you can't be saddened by some news, nor does it nulify the validity of a few words of condolence.
Ns04
At the end of the day SN is a community. If you don't want to get invoved with others in the community on the basis that you don't know or care about them, don't contribute. I don't know anyone on here personally, but I still wish them all the best with their cars and their lives etc... and feel sufficently motivated to contribute the odd post. If not -and I didn't give a crap about anyone- there'd be no point posting on here and I'd use my new found free time utilizing the the web for it's real purpose: ****!!!
Just cause you won't spend the night in tears about something, doesn't mean you can't be saddened by some news, nor does it nulify the validity of a few words of condolence.
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25 January 2006, 04:13 PM
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Can I ask...Why do most post about most things always end up in a discussion/argument/disagreement between 2,3,4 people on here? 
Fair enough, someone can't see the point in posting words of condolence for somebody they don't know. Maybe they should have not bothered, but then again this is a "community" and is free to post what they like.
So what about a "GRIPES WITH OTHER THREADS" thread? So others can post things without getting flamed
But personally, I too feel sorry for the guys family and friends, as it is a sad loss(to them)
Also they may come on here to see if anyone has posted the news that another scoobynetter has been tragicaly killed in a fatal RTA???
Just gonna get my flame suit on!!!
Fair enough, someone can't see the point in posting words of condolence for somebody they don't know. Maybe they should have not bothered, but then again this is a "community" and is free to post what they like.
So what about a "GRIPES WITH OTHER THREADS" thread? So others can post things without getting flamed
But personally, I too feel sorry for the guys family and friends, as it is a sad loss(to them)
Also they may come on here to see if anyone has posted the news that another scoobynetter has been tragicaly killed in a fatal RTA???
Just gonna get my flame suit on!!!
25 January 2006, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mass.
Can I ask...Why do most post about most things always end up in a discussion/argument/disagreement between 2,3,4 people on here?
I'll leave the thread for others who want to leave condolences now though.
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25 January 2006, 05:26 PM
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25 January 2006, 05:47 PM
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The point i was making was that a member of scoobynet has been killed in an accident......i didn't mention anything about celebs.
25 January 2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Wow, never realised Chris Penn was a member of scoobynet!!!
The point i was making was that a member of scoobynet has been killed in an accident......i didn't mention anything about celebs.
The point i was making was that a member of scoobynet has been killed in an accident......i didn't mention anything about celebs.
Never said he was
But then it remains to be seen if the victim of this accident was a member of scoobynet.And anyway, why should Chris Penn's death be any less tragic? Why should we care less about his death?
25 January 2006, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Agreed, this is a Subaru Forum, if we can't express sympathy for people who've lost lives in an accident involving Subarus, then should be also refrain from expressing condolences when someone's car gets vandalised, or stolen? Shall we not offer advice when someone asks for reccomendations about mods that might damage their cars? Shall we avoid waving to fellow scoobies? That covers most of the posts on the General and Was It You sections, as well as the technical sections. After all we don't know them, why should we care?
Shall we also refrain from expressing condolences when someone posts about being poorly treated at work, by the police, expresses disgust when a criminal gets away free, whilst a motorist gets charged for doing 5mph over the limt? How about when people have good news: they get a raise, promotion, new GF, new car- that's most of the posts on NSR for you.Should we refrain from offering congratulations? Why should we care, we don't know them?
No, I didn't know Chris P, I didn't know the gentleman whio died in the Scooby in the news link, I didn't know Richard Burns. But they all died too young, they'll all leave behind grieving family and friends and that's a damn shame! Of course, I'm not going to loose any sleep over their loss -I didn't know them- but there no reason why someone can't appreciate that an event is tradgic -even if their response is not an emotional one.
If, knowing someone is a pre-requisite for posting on here with any conviction on sincerity, then we might as well close SN now!
What I find particularly objectionable is that the people who presume to know how other people feel about these things often then go on to make spurious assumptions about other things, case in point: we do not know that this person was driving irresponsibly, it could have been a spillage, ice, mechanical failure, other party involved....
If you find sympathy threads objectionable, keep clear of them; you don't have to look. DO NOT, however, presume to question other people's sincerity in expressing a bit of regret that something unfortunate has happened.
*Rant over*
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Shall we also refrain from expressing condolences when someone posts about being poorly treated at work, by the police, expresses disgust when a criminal gets away free, whilst a motorist gets charged for doing 5mph over the limt? How about when people have good news: they get a raise, promotion, new GF, new car- that's most of the posts on NSR for you.Should we refrain from offering congratulations? Why should we care, we don't know them?
No, I didn't know Chris P, I didn't know the gentleman whio died in the Scooby in the news link, I didn't know Richard Burns. But they all died too young, they'll all leave behind grieving family and friends and that's a damn shame! Of course, I'm not going to loose any sleep over their loss -I didn't know them- but there no reason why someone can't appreciate that an event is tradgic -even if their response is not an emotional one.
If, knowing someone is a pre-requisite for posting on here with any conviction on sincerity, then we might as well close SN now!
What I find particularly objectionable is that the people who presume to know how other people feel about these things often then go on to make spurious assumptions about other things, case in point: we do not know that this person was driving irresponsibly, it could have been a spillage, ice, mechanical failure, other party involved....
If you find sympathy threads objectionable, keep clear of them; you don't have to look. DO NOT, however, presume to question other people's sincerity in expressing a bit of regret that something unfortunate has happened.
*Rant over*
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25 January 2006, 10:54 PM
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Hope you are well sir.
You do sound like a grumpy old sod sometimes!
This can be put to bed very easily.
This is a relevant thread. It is a member posting about a fatal subaru impreza crash which he was in the vacinity of, and is near to his home.
This much you'd agree with I'm sure.
The people who then posted comments were simply saying things like "not good at all. Sympathy to his family."
This is a) discussion, and b) simply humanity.
Nobody said "this is a terrible sad loss, and my life will never be the same again", they were simply being human, and expressing well wishes to people who's lives they had just read about being destroyed.
So all in all. It was a relevant thread, and people posted on it, some of whom expressed well wishes to the deceased families.
At the top of this post I said "Hope you are well sir". Purely because I know you are a pragmatic person, I can say without concern you'll take offense that it wouldn't affect me in any way if you were well or not. I don't think about whether you are well, and my life would not be affected if you were indeed not well. But its just humanity and decency to wish well of people.
Get out of bed from the other side tomorrow.. just in-case!
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Hope you are well sir.
You do sound like a grumpy old sod sometimes!
This can be put to bed very easily.
This is a relevant thread. It is a member posting about a fatal subaru impreza crash which he was in the vacinity of, and is near to his home.
This much you'd agree with I'm sure.
The people who then posted comments were simply saying things like "not good at all. Sympathy to his family."
This is a) discussion, and b) simply humanity.
Nobody said "this is a terrible sad loss, and my life will never be the same again", they were simply being human, and expressing well wishes to people who's lives they had just read about being destroyed.
So all in all. It was a relevant thread, and people posted on it, some of whom expressed well wishes to the deceased families.
At the top of this post I said "Hope you are well sir". Purely because I know you are a pragmatic person, I can say without concern you'll take offense that it wouldn't affect me in any way if you were well or not. I don't think about whether you are well, and my life would not be affected if you were indeed not well. But its just humanity and decency to wish well of people.
Get out of bed from the other side tomorrow.. just in-case!
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26 January 2006, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sgcooby
Article about a Nova crash, as you put it, wouldnt be posted on here as its a scooby forum.
Different circumstances. But quite a different response, and it was a Subaru.
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Originally Posted by Diablo
ChrisP was a well known and respected member of this BBS, that many on here knew personally.
That's a huge difference from someone no one appears to know (aside from your professional relationship) sadly adding to the statistics.
jesus
as posted earlier, this is a community. surely popularity shouldn't be a factor in a stuation like this?
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
I do belive there was a thread posted about a lad who was killed in some hot hatch, which showed little remorse...and I think that is what Diablo is getting at, as there has been some threads where drivers have been killed where, to put it lightly showed very little remorse, without search though (probably was vaped anyway) - this is all I could google: http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...=415460&page=1
Different circumstances. But quite a different response, and it was a Subaru.
Different circumstances. But quite a different response, and it was a Subaru.
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Just to make matters worse i have just been informed his wife is 8 months pregnant.