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Old 26 January 2006, 01:45 PM
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Lesley is an old timer .... he would know about the V2

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Old 26 January 2006, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Lifting entry or Ballistic entry?

Okay, fancy boy .... explain the difference??

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Old 26 January 2006, 03:04 PM
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I thought everyone was waiting for you to explain it??
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I had a job interview that consisted of one question. "Do you know solaris ?", I replied yes, and got the contract. This was for UBS in the City.

I had a 4 hour interview, with 8 different people, for a contract in Goldman's. I thought that was OTT.

I love telephone interviews. I always tend to sail through those, where as interviews were you have to go to them, are more difficult. I always find there's one of the panel that has to make out he is better than you.

After 9 years contracting, and lots of contracts, I still get nervous and dis like interviews.

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Old 26 January 2006, 04:39 PM
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How many minutes of interviewing and testing would you expect per £10K of annual salary or profits? Or does it not work that way?
Old 26 January 2006, 05:09 PM
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So you can't explain the Doppler effect just like last time.

I never was in submarines so Trident was not part of my job. However we had to know something about various weapons of course as part of our general knowledge. I would imagine that its angle of descent would depend on the range to the target and also where it would need to deploy its individual missiles and decoys. I doubt very much that a re entry angle as such is of any significance in the way that this missile is used since it is a ballistic vehicle when the final rocket stage is burned out. The angle of re entry will depend on how much of the 4000 mile range capability of the missile needs to be used so the re entry angle will be dictated by that and it does of course also depend on the altitude the vehicle reached before its descent begins. Not far off vertical I would imagine.

My operational work was with the 177 which you should know well enough if you do work at AWE PSL. Perhaps you would like to tell us all about it, after you explain the Doppler effect!

The V2 was another ballistic missile with no way of aiming accurately for a target. It arrived supersonically which meant that it could not be heard until it arrived. Nasty piece of kit to be on the wrong end of.

The V1 was an aerodynamic flying bomb which would fall out of the sky when the ram jet engine stopped and its gyros were toppled. Also as nasty in those days as any bomb would be. I gather that my grandfather would rush out into the back yard when he heard one and shake his walking stick at it.

As ever you have shot your mouth off with nothing to back it up. You have no idea how I voted, except that I will tell you that I definitely did so as I consider it to be a duty.

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One of my in laws was a rocket scientist for 40 years
Old 26 January 2006, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
PSL

So you can't explain the Doppler effect just like last time.

I never was in submarines so Trident was not part of my job. However we had to know something about various weapons of course as part of our general knowledge. I would imagine that its angle of descent would depend on the range to the target and also where it would need to deploy its individual missiles and decoys. I doubt very much that a re entry angle as such is of any significance in the way that this missile is used since it is a ballistic vehicle when the final rocket stage is burned out. The angle of re entry will depend on how much of the 4000 mile range capability of the missile needs to be used so the re entry angle will be dictated by that and it does of course also depend on the altitude the vehicle reached before its descent begins. Not far off vertical I would imagine.

My operational work was with the 177 which you should know well enough if you do work at AWE PSL. Perhaps you would like to tell us all about it, after you explain the Doppler effect!

The V2 was another ballistic missile with no way of aiming accurately for a target. It arrived supersonically which meant that it could not be heard until it arrived. Nasty piece of kit to be on the wrong end of.

The V1 was an aerodynamic flying bomb which would fall out of the sky when the ram jet engine stopped and its gyros were toppled. Also as nasty in those days as any bomb would be. I gather that my grandfather would rush out into the back yard when he heard one and shake his walking stick at it.

As ever you have shot your mouth off with nothing to back it up. You have no idea how I voted, except that I will tell you that I definitely did so as I consider it to be a duty.

Les
I cannot for a minute think you'll get a sensible reply.
Old 26 January 2006, 07:07 PM
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I wondered about the odd spelling of weaponry ("weaponary") from someone who had worked in this area, or is it me that can't spell?
Old 28 January 2006, 02:43 PM
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PSL,

Well come on then, I gave the answer that you said that I was not capable of. Since you are the self professed expert, let us see your opinion.

Or are you not capable of giviing one? Are you not man enough to do it?

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Old 28 January 2006, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
PSL,

Well come on then, I gave the answer that you said that I was not capable of. Since you are the self professed expert, let us see your opinion.

Or are you not capable of giviing one? Are you not man enough to do it?

Les
You did NOT give a re-entry angle (and there IS one!!) .. why is there one? So that people can tell if it's a missille and not a piece of space scrap falling from space ......

You worked on 177/Chev then? I very much doubt it .... you probably made my tea and opened the digestives - thats about the limit .....

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Old 28 January 2006, 06:05 PM
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Leslie, out of interest, what is a "ram jet"?
Old 29 January 2006, 11:45 AM
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PSL,

As ever you dont appear to have read my post, or perhap's you are not able to understand what I was saying. Are you telling us that Trident has the same re entry angle for what ever range it is fired at? If so perhap's you would like to tell us what it is. Of course I don't know the numbers since I am not privy to that kind of restricted information, and since I was not in the Navy I did not need to know. But I am capable of working out the basics which you were so rude to say that I could not. What on earth are you talking about when you say it is so that people know it is a missile and not space junk. Does it really matter if they are one of its targets anyway? That is a perticularly stupid statement to make! You are grasping at straws now.

I said my work was with the 177, you know what my job was, I think you must be losing it if you did not know what I meant. In fact I doubt that you even know what the 177 was anyway. You have to get the name right too.

As yet you have not said anything yet to justify your claims for your employment of course.

Oldfella, hello,

A ram jet is very basically a shaped tube with fuel fed in at the front end. Air at the front is heated up by the ignited fuel and the expansion due to heat forces it out of the back end to give thrust as a normal iet engine will. There are no moving parts and the pressuriastion of the air at the front end is provided by the ram effect of the air being forced into the front by forward motion rather than a compressor as you have in a conventional jet engine. Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by pslewis
I started life in Mechanical Engineering Design - weaponary and aircraft handling kit

Then I drifted into Electronics when that started taking off - again in weapons and guidance systems

I ended up in Electro-Mechanical Design - for numerous pieces of weaponary and test gear ........ the weapons I am involved in nowadays are the most lethal on the planet (and the most sophisticated and advanced)

We require the ABSOLUTE best Engineers and Scientists ...... no-one can match our workforce for quality and safety Engineering

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Are you allowed to discuss your job ?
Old 29 January 2006, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
PSL,


Oldfella, hello,

A ram jet is very basically a shaped tube with fuel fed in at the front end. Air at the front is heated up by the ignited fuel and the expansion due to heat forces it out of the back end to give thrust as a normal iet engine will. There are no moving parts and the pressuriastion of the air at the front end is provided by the ram effect of the air being forced into the front by forward motion rather than a compressor as you have in a conventional jet engine. Hope that helps.

Les
Hi Les, thanks for that. I was a little confused as in your earlier post you stated that a V1 used a ram jet, as I understand it the V1 used a pulse jet, which was capable of launching under it's own power. Something a ram jet is not capable of doing.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
PSL,

What on earth are you talking about when you say it is so that people know it is a missile and not space junk. Does it really matter if they are one of its targets anyway? That is a perticularly stupid statement to make! You are grasping at straws now.

Les
"Reentry: Ballistic missile reentry vehicles approach or impact the earth at many times the speed of sound; accuracy would diminish if they were slower and spent more time in the atmosphere. High-speed reentry is not used in space programs. A test ban regime could prohibit high- speed reentry, radar-emitting reentry vehicles and terminal maneuvers. In addition, legally permissible re-entry angles could be defined to distinguish between legitimate space booster rockets and ballistic missiles and between satellite/shuttle/spacecraft re-entries and weapons payload re- entry vehicles"

Now, stop making yourself look stupid and shut up!!

You are way out of your depth .............. it's me you're talking to, not someone who knows nowt about the subject.

When you mention 177, I assume you mean the WE177??

There was a need to produce a strategic lay-down weapon for the Vulcan. Consequently, the tactical version of WE177 was developed as WE177A and the high-yield strategic version as WE177B.

Though the weights and dimensions of WE177 have been published in Hansard, other details remain secret.

You will see that the AWE Web site describes the WE177A as a single stage weapon and the WE177B as a two-stage thermonuclear.

I cannot comment further upon the WE177 as you will appreciate.

I also know your links to the Vulcan - you could, at least, do me the courtesy of accepting my history with the Defence of this country - and the Nuclear deterrent in particular (you don't have to like me to accept this fact!)

Pete
Old 29 January 2006, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooby-Doo
Are you allowed to discuss your job ?
Of course I can ............ I clearly cannot discuss the details of what I do however.

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Old 30 January 2006, 01:49 PM
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Psl,

That was well cut and pasted as ever. When I read it I really dont see in what way I was wrong with my initial desacription of the flight path of a Trident missile. I stated quite correctly that when the final stage stops it becomes a ballistic missile with a re entry angle to suit. I said the the angle would probably alter according to the actual range that the missile was intended to travel out of its maximum range of 4000 nm. You asked me what was the re entry angle but it appears that you cannot tell me what it is yourself! All you can do is to quote some regulations apparently for peace time which you have trawled up.

I did explain also that my work was with the 177 which you initially said was the 177/chev. Now that is a peculiar name to associate with the 177, since Chevaline referred to the modified Polaris missile in fact! The WE 177A/B was actually designed initially for the TSR2 but was eventually used in all the RAF and Navy attack aircraft. It was one of our longest serving nuclear weapons of course.

You were extremely rude as ever of course, accusing me of having no brain cells etc, typical childish response from you as we have come to expect, especially when you feel you are losing the argument.

My job was not to design or build the weapons,AWE have men to do that, but to deliver them. I understood the workings of the 177 pretty well, and the Yellow Sun too. I was never associated with the Trident but you expect me to be able to tell you restricted details about its flight path which you can't even tell us yourself. You can't even say whether what I did say was wrong or not. Incidentally, who the hell is interested in the re entry angle when the world is at nuclear war fom the point of view of distinguishing it from "space junk"?

Now you tell me, if I was to ask you the details of the necessary flight path and procedures to deliver the !77 or a similar "bucket of sunshine" and you could not tell me, would that give me an excuse to call you as thick as two planks? When it comes to operating in a war zone I could leave you for dead in a very few seconds when it comes to how to do it, but I would not be so rude as to say that made you stupid.

You asked me a question hoping to catch me out and I gave you a perfectly reasonable and accurate answer. Time for you to wind your neck in .

Oldfella,

You are quite right of course, the V1 did have a pulse jet, that was my mistake to call it a ram jet. The pulse jet works in a similar way to a ram jet but has a system of automatic air valves in the intake which close when the fuel is ignited allowing thrust to develop at the rear end. The action of the air leaving the rear is to open the valves and allow air to enter at the front by entrainment through the divergent/convergent shaped tube when the process starts again. It will develop thrust when stationary but not very efficiently.

Les

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You're making yourself look VERY stupid now pslewis
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Originally Posted by pslewis
"Reentry: Ballistic missile reentry vehicles approach or impact the earth at many times the speed of sound; accuracy would diminish if they were slower and spent more time in the atmosphere. High-speed reentry is not used in space programs. A test ban regime could prohibit high- speed reentry, radar-emitting reentry vehicles and terminal maneuvers. In addition, legally permissible re-entry angles could be defined to distinguish between legitimate space booster rockets and ballistic missiles and between satellite/shuttle/spacecraft re-entries and weapons payload re- entry vehicles"

Now, stop making yourself look stupid and shut up!!

You are way out of your depth .............. it's me you're talking to, not someone who knows nowt about the subject.

When you mention 177, I assume you mean the WE177??

There was a need to produce a strategic lay-down weapon for the Vulcan. Consequently, the tactical version of WE177 was developed as WE177A and the high-yield strategic version as WE177B.

Though the weights and dimensions of WE177 have been published in Hansard, other details remain secret.

You will see that the AWE Web site describes the WE177A as a single stage weapon and the WE177B as a two-stage thermonuclear.

I cannot comment further upon the WE177 as you will appreciate.

I also know your links to the Vulcan - you could, at least, do me the courtesy of accepting my history with the Defence of this country - and the Nuclear deterrent in particular (you don't have to like me to accept this fact!)

Pete
- verbatim... http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/nukes/we177a_b.htm
Old 30 January 2006, 02:45 PM
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Mmmm.............

So, did this guy get the job or not ??

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Old 30 January 2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis

Could you tell me, smart ****, what the re-entry angle is of the Trident Nuclear Warhead??

Pete
Well, whilst you lot work that out, I'm off to the shelter!

INCOMING!!!!



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Leslie comes across as believable and truthful. The other muppet, well the crap he spouts speaks for itself.
Old 30 January 2006, 03:33 PM
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As for the Job,

dont know at the mo ?

had an application pack from another potentail company today, along with a big application for background checks

there goes my evening


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How long were you out of work then mart? I'm dreading redudancy and looking for another job. It's not that I wont find another job, just that my present one is so cushy
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currently this is my second month,

although December was dead anyway


i know what you meqan, its not the no work, its trying to occupy myself,

theres only so much trisah **** and coffe i can take

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The V1 was powered by a Pulse Jet I'm afraid.

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/argusv1.shtml

Hence the very distinctive noise it made.
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Originally Posted by pslewis

There was a need to produce a strategic lay-down weapon for the Vulcan. Consequently, the tactical version of WE177 was developed as WE177A and the high-yield strategic version as WE177B.

Though the weights and dimensions of WE177 have been published in Hansard, other details remain secret.

You will see that the AWE Web site describes the WE177A as a single stage weapon and the WE177B as a two-stage thermonuclear.

I cannot comment further upon the WE177 as you will appreciate.
Cut and Paste!! Here's the source:

http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/nukes/we177a_b.htm

lewis is a fraud.

<note to self: should read ENTIRE thread before posting replies... >

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Originally Posted by pslewis
I started life in Mechanical Engineering Design - weaponary and aircraft handling kit

Then I drifted into Electronics when that started taking off - again in weapons and guidance systems

I ended up in Electro-Mechanical Design - for numerous pieces of weaponary and test gear ........ the weapons I am involved in nowadays are the most lethal on the planet (and the most sophisticated and advanced)

Pete
Interesting, I am the Mechanical Design Engineer for TWT & Radar systems company. Some lethal, some not
Get to play with any good stuff?

Daz
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PSL,

As I said, you did a good job on the cut and paste there for a while until you were found out. No one expected an intimate description inspection of the "weoponary" as you put it. But you asked me a question that you cannot answer yourself, or even tell me if I am wrong with my answer!

It all goes to show that you are full of spin and bluster, just like your hero. You have certainly shot yourself in the foot anyway.

I wonder if you are man enough to apologise for your extremely rude remarks and insults to me by the way.

Thanks for the link Mr Shades, took me back for a while there.

UB,

If you check my last post you will see I dealt with the Pulse Jet question for "Oldfella". I typed the wrong name for it. The link you gave is interesting-have not seen that one before.

I imagine we can sit back and watch PSL run away and hide now as usual.

Hope you get better news soon Mart.

Les


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