||VaNDaL||

err?? funny coming from someone who calls himself a fruit

2000TLondon

Hmmm, not sure that anything is being rammed down your throat

Few contradictions in there, mate, but nice try at being more liberal than most!

||VaNDaL||

too easy

Dracoro

I take your point and I don't know the full story. However, as I see it, he was in denial or didn't want to admit to something that's private so it doesn't bother me. It's not as if he lied about something that's affects the governing of this country.

KiwiGTI

How about this then - If you support gays you are clearly both racist and intolerant of people who are religious.

It's a crime against both God and humanity.

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and catholic priests touching children is god's will

other faiths preaching hate crime is the will of god???

2000TLondon

What? Please do explain that a bit!

Dracoro

Isn't homosexuality GOD's way of keeping the population down. It's natural for 10% (or whatever it is) of people to be gay else we'd be overpopulated and the worlds resources won't be able to cope and armageddon will be with us. Gays are saving the world

TelBoy

Bloody hell, it lives and breathes. *If* it wasn't a natural state for some humans, i'd possibly agree with you. Since it is, your argument is groundless.

The racist bit i ignored as that's just bollocks, plain and simple.

KiwiGTI

To try and point out that whatever view you take there will be some PC clown that abuses you.

Being gay or supporting gays would probably be extremely offensive in many countries.

2000TLondon

In many countries where there are oppressive regimes. In the free, western world it's not "offensive" for people to chose to do whatever they want, assuming their activities are legal and involve consenting parties. This is why we call our society civilised.

TelBoy

You're doing a damn good job of holding up the theory in the UK at least, i have to say...

KiwiGTI

I'd be interested in a the reasons why it's a natural state, I don't see any serious biological benefits.

As for being racist you are clearly anti-African as you support such an un-African activity.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200601230541.html

KiwiGTI

Absolute poppycock. I'm sure I could describe some completely legal sexual activities that would disgust and offend you.

The acts of sodomy between 2 males, a couple of blokes french kissing and a couple of sweaty hairy men engaged in an act of coitus does nothing but offend me. It doesn't matter how much you try to force me and call me homophobic I don't like it and I never will.

2000TLondon

I think they would be better off concentrating on civil unrest and poverty, and getting their oil out of the country safely in order to support their people, than worrying about homosexuality.

TelBoy

Oh give it a fcucking rest, Kiwi. Just because the esteemed Mr Patrick Bigabo is as narrow minded as you doesn't make him right, for Christ's sake.

I'm not saying that there are biological benefits. Of course there aren't. But it's pretty well established scientific fact that there is a core percentage of the animal kigdom that *is* naturally homosexual. If you choose to disbelieve that then that's your choice, but my advice would be not to base your bigoted opinions on ignorance, with respect.

2000TLondon

Do you know what homphobic means, Kiwi?

Unlike you, I do not sit and think about hairy men french kissing, sodomy or an act of "coitus".

If it offends you that much, funny how you daydream about it, and then get angry with yourself! Do you punish yourself for these immoral thoughts, Kiwi?

TelBoy

Go for it, let's hear some.

Bones Gambino

I bet you couldn't

Dracoro

Hang on, no-ones trying to say you need to like it or not be offended (btw how are YOU offended by what other people get up to?). You either get offended by something or you ignore it, your choice. However, you can't say to these people that they must stop just because you don't like it. After all, I don't call for scoobs to be banned because I don't like them do I?

Holy Ghost

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"sexual delinquency" - that, my friend, is a truly delicious turn of phrase.

TelBoy

Fine, so you're homophobic. Even your description of it reeks of discrimination. I feel sorry for any homosexual person who has to have dealings with you, of which there are probably many, much to your unknowing "disgust".

2000TLondon

Kiwi, this may horrify you.........

Internalized homophobia
Internalized homophobia (or ego-dystonic homophobia) usually refers to homophobia as a prejudice carried by homosexuals against themselves and others like them. It includes a discomfort with or disapproval of one's own sexual orientation.

Such a situation may cause extreme repression of homosexual desires. In other cases, a conscious internal struggle may occur for some time, often pitting deeply held religious or social beliefs against strong emotional desires and needs. This discordance often causes clinical depression, and the unusually high suicide rate among homosexual teenagers may be partly attributed to this phenomenon (the opinions and actions of others is obviously also a factor in both).

Many people in this situation attempt to resolve it, at least for a period of time, through chastity. This is an attractive option because many belief systems are neutral or only mildly disapprove of, for example, homosexual feelings, but strongly disapprove of acting on those feelings. Advocates of the ex-gay movement believe that in addition to behavior, sexual orientation is a malleable attribute, and advocate attempting to change it (this is highly controversial, and most mental health professionals warn that such therapies have not been proven to be effective, and that they may be psychologically harmful).

The label of internalized homophobia is sometimes applied to conscious or unconscious behaviors which an observer feels the need to promote or conform to the expectations of heteronormativity or heterosexism. This might include making assumptions about the gender of a person's romantic partner, or about gender roles. Some also apply this label to LGBT persons who support "compromise" policies, such as those that find civil unions an acceptable alternative to same-sex marriage. Whether this is a tactical judgement call or the result of some kind of internal prejudice (whether in a cause-and-effect fashion, or definitionally) is a matter of some debate.

Some claim (including Sigmund Freud in his psychoanalytic theory) that some or most homophobes are repressed homosexuals, but this claim is highly controversial. The notion, however, suffers from a serious logical fallacy known as post hoc ergo propter hoc. In 1996, a controlled study of 64 heterosexual (by experience and self-reported orientation) men at the University of Georgia [3] found the allegedly homophobic men (as measured by the Index of Homophobia [4]) considerably more likely to experience more erectile response when exposed to homoerotic images than non-homophobic men.

However, the homophobic men also tended to report more negative emotions in response to those particular images (not sexual arousal), and the researchers noted that general anxiety has been shown to enhance erectile response. There was no significant difference in results on the Aggression Questionnaire. The group recommended further research.

Bones Gambino

So if I like homosexuals would this make it a double-bluff and I would be 100% hetro?

Or would I be a poof?

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this is great, so freudian..


the fruit whilst claiming to be a homophobe appears to spend too long thinking about homosexual congress (fantisising???) and speaks of not enjoying sodomy as though he has some personal experience.

funny that, i'm "straight" yet had never bothered about what happens, nor thought about "blokes french kissing" or "sweaty hairy men"

bring on the village people, bet kiwi dances round his handbag

KiwiGTI

I'm not going to and that's getting back to my original point.

Surely sexual acts are something that take place in the privacy of your own lives, whoever and whatever they are with. I'm not anti-gay, I treat everyone the same, but I really dislike the whole publicity and loudness that goes with being gay.

If you are gay then be gay, but don't turn into a martyr, hold a parade, demand equal rights to adapt children etc.

2000TLondon

KiwiGTI

VaNDaL these comments are not directed at you personally it's just your reply has them in.

A.) Freud has been thoroughly discredited in psychological circles.
B.) A Kiwi is an animal (bird) and a name commonly used to describe people from NZ
C.) Nothing wrong with sodomy, but I don't find it a turn on between men.
D.) My descriptions of various acts are to draw attention to what the crux of being gay is and that I don't find it at all enticing. As in if I was watching a porno and it cut to a scene with two blokes i would not be able to retain rigidity.
E.) The Village People have also been discredited and they are all actually straight.

Dracoro

Kiwi - do you also get up in arms about builders wolf whistling women? Plenty of ott blokish behaviour goes on as well. Personally I don't care about the wolf whistlers or the camp out gays. If that's what they wanna do then that's up to them.

Holy Ghost

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crime? against god and humanity?

christ jesus on the throne what next?

keep your god. you are a walking advertisement for why religion - that state of subjective, blindly ludicrous non-thinking - is often so crass, inhumane and toxic.