550-600bhp in P1 what will it feel like?
06 February 2006, 11:25 PM
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Mikee's car, with mikee at the wheel comfortably recored sub 7 second 0-100 times, with "only" 550hp.
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
A classic with 550-600bhp will have almost identical performance as a Pagani Zonda. The power to weight ratio is very similar, and up to 125mph I would expect similar performance.
The Scoob may beat a Zonda quarter mile time however. It's 0-100mph time will be about the same in the 7s bracket.
The classic chassis can take a surprising amount of power however David is right - full boot on anything other than a straight is barking mad.
In terms of getting used to it - yes you do - especially drag racing.
At first it is brutal - then after using that kind of power for a while it gets kinda fun. Still brutal in first and second - but in third upwards you start to think - mmmmore!!!
A well sorted car will be brilliant to drive - however even if you think you can run it with the boost turned down and only use 400 or 450bhp I suspect you will not resist the temptation to turn it up again.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And finally, expect things to break. The most unexpected things break - such as shearing a gear from the shaft by shearing an uprated 5mm Woodruff key.
Or the gearbox, or clutch, or diff. This level of power if used in anger has a limited shelf life compared to a lesser powered car as everything in the drivetrain gets more stressed.
Also the torque you should see - 500 plus - will snap driveshafts easily on highly tractive surfaces, e.g. dry
Good luck - you will enjoy it!
Rannoch
The Scoob may beat a Zonda quarter mile time however. It's 0-100mph time will be about the same in the 7s bracket.
The classic chassis can take a surprising amount of power however David is right - full boot on anything other than a straight is barking mad.
In terms of getting used to it - yes you do - especially drag racing.
At first it is brutal - then after using that kind of power for a while it gets kinda fun. Still brutal in first and second - but in third upwards you start to think - mmmmore!!!
A well sorted car will be brilliant to drive - however even if you think you can run it with the boost turned down and only use 400 or 450bhp I suspect you will not resist the temptation to turn it up again.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And finally, expect things to break. The most unexpected things break - such as shearing a gear from the shaft by shearing an uprated 5mm Woodruff key.
Or the gearbox, or clutch, or diff. This level of power if used in anger has a limited shelf life compared to a lesser powered car as everything in the drivetrain gets more stressed.
Also the torque you should see - 500 plus - will snap driveshafts easily on highly tractive surfaces, e.g. dry
Good luck - you will enjoy it!
Rannoch
06 February 2006, 11:30 PM
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To the chap who said: "You will have something very special, very fast and very unique, and when those run of the mill super rich, super cars come up the road giving it the look at my wallet look how fast i am, you will destroy them completly, with just another Subaru." how many supercars have you seen on your daily drive and how many actually give you a race????
Well that was me and in Torbay there are quite a lot of young (footballers i think) people driving 400/500 bhp supercars. Yes they look down on Subarus because they think there prestiged badged supercars make them better.
And yes they do give it a go when on the road, just the same as every superbike owner around here. When conditions allow a quick blast along bypass is fun, (and surely thats why we buy cars like Subarus to DRIVE).
And when said car/bike rider looks in there mirror expecting you to be a dot in the distance, but your not your right there, thats when your modifed car becomes worth it.
I bought a Subaru because i could modify it, just as i expect most people on here did, and i bet if most people could afford a 500bhp Subaru they too would have one.
As for too much power and speed, nearly all superbikes are speed capped to 186mph, and no most people never get anywhere near that, but we still sell and fit speed delimters at my work all the time. Same thing different application, having something does not mean you have to use it, but better to have it and not use it than want it and not have it.
The way i see it is, its another one to Subaru and one less to the Evo, Skyline boys.
Jase.
Well that was me and in Torbay there are quite a lot of young (footballers i think) people driving 400/500 bhp supercars. Yes they look down on Subarus because they think there prestiged badged supercars make them better.
And yes they do give it a go when on the road, just the same as every superbike owner around here. When conditions allow a quick blast along bypass is fun, (and surely thats why we buy cars like Subarus to DRIVE).
And when said car/bike rider looks in there mirror expecting you to be a dot in the distance, but your not your right there, thats when your modifed car becomes worth it.
I bought a Subaru because i could modify it, just as i expect most people on here did, and i bet if most people could afford a 500bhp Subaru they too would have one.
As for too much power and speed, nearly all superbikes are speed capped to 186mph, and no most people never get anywhere near that, but we still sell and fit speed delimters at my work all the time. Same thing different application, having something does not mean you have to use it, but better to have it and not use it than want it and not have it.
The way i see it is, its another one to Subaru and one less to the Evo, Skyline boys.
Jase.
06 February 2006, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Mikee's car, with mikee at the wheel comfortably recored sub 7 second 0-100 times, with "only" 550hp.
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My car, at full STI V weight with me at the wheel scored a mid-7s 0-100mph time.
Indeed it had EXACTLY the same power to weight ratio as the Zonda.
It has a bit less weight now and a bit more power so it is probably a bit quicker
Rannoch
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07 February 2006, 12:12 AM
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I have a 501 BHP/Torque MY02 (Bugeye) STi built by Scoobymania. Specially built to a be a daily driver and a track day machine.
In a word it's awesome
And yes I've driven other fast cars to compare it with: 911 Turbo, F355, F360 CS...
In a word it's awesome
And yes I've driven other fast cars to compare it with: 911 Turbo, F355, F360 CS...
07 February 2006, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
I also believe that Mikee spent considerable effort lightening his car - of course if this is incorrect I am sure you will put me right
My car, at full STI V weight with me at the wheel scored a mid-7s 0-100mph time.
Indeed it had EXACTLY the same power to weight ratio as the Zonda.
It has a bit less weight now and a bit more power so it is probably a bit quicker
Rannoch
PS Why Mikee has done really well with his car
My car, at full STI V weight with me at the wheel scored a mid-7s 0-100mph time.
Indeed it had EXACTLY the same power to weight ratio as the Zonda.
It has a bit less weight now and a bit more power so it is probably a bit quicker
Rannoch
PS Why Mikee has done really well with his car
07 February 2006, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
don,t waste your money,
for much less you could buy my 550bhp 22B, and it will have the chassis to cope!
In my experience that kind of power is way too much, 350 of each is ideal and 400 bordering on insane but still usable and faster than pretty much anything on the road on four wheels.
With that power comes great lag and it makes for a slower more dangerous machine. The comments about value are good ones. You will feel like an idiot come resale time when you can effectively burn the cheque you are handing over.
do yourself a favour and buy one that has already been done and let someone else take the loss.
for much less you could buy my 550bhp 22B, and it will have the chassis to cope!
In my experience that kind of power is way too much, 350 of each is ideal and 400 bordering on insane but still usable and faster than pretty much anything on the road on four wheels.
With that power comes great lag and it makes for a slower more dangerous machine. The comments about value are good ones. You will feel like an idiot come resale time when you can effectively burn the cheque you are handing over.
do yourself a favour and buy one that has already been done and let someone else take the loss.
As for Jap show, i somehow doubt that a 550-600 scoob will get an invite as a pro car this year as the game has moved on considerably again.
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07 February 2006, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Mikee's car, with mikee at the wheel comfortably recored sub 7 second 0-100 times, with "only" 550hp.
Paul
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
I also believe that Mikee spent considerable effort lightening his car - of course if this is incorrect I am sure you will put me right
My car, at full STI V weight with me at the wheel scored a mid-7s 0-100mph time.
Indeed it had EXACTLY the same power to weight ratio as the Zonda.
It has a bit less weight now and a bit more power so it is probably a bit quicker
My car, at full STI V weight with me at the wheel scored a mid-7s 0-100mph time.
Indeed it had EXACTLY the same power to weight ratio as the Zonda.
It has a bit less weight now and a bit more power so it is probably a bit quicker
Mine with standard full trim running 501bhp did 6.96 0-100mph
and then with the car arround 100kg lighter running 522bhp did 6.47 0-100mph
mikee
07 February 2006, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy.F
As for Jap show, i somehow doubt that a 550-600 scoob will get an invite as a pro car this year as the game has moved on considerably again.
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07 February 2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeesingh
David, i think someone else said yours was a 10 second car with a 11 second driver
Mine with standard full trim running 501bhp did 6.96 0-100mph
and then with the car arround 100kg lighter running 522bhp did 6.47 0-100mph
mikee
Mine with standard full trim running 501bhp did 6.96 0-100mph
and then with the car arround 100kg lighter running 522bhp did 6.47 0-100mph
mikee
07 February 2006, 01:44 PM
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sounds good marty, you will have to give me shout when its donesay hi to your dad for me and dont forget you two need to come and give me some support this season
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07 February 2006, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy.F
I agree with Adam, forget about using it on the road, it's not fun...honest, Saxo's will run up your *** coming off roundabouts as you wait to straighten the wheels before prodding the pedal, even then you will need the road to be dry and gravel free before holding on with gritted teeth till you need to turn the wheel again. On most roads a well prepped 350-400 car will be all over you.Andy
(a) The road is bone dry and completely level.
(b) The road is quite wide as the **** can still step out.
(c) The car is running dead straight
(d) I've got my rubber pants on
By the time I've done my pre-floor it checks and I've come on boost the car I was thinking about playing with has vanished into the distance
All joking aside, you can use a big bhp car on the road if you're sensible and give it the upmost respect. Depends what you're after, you won't be able to floor it out of a roundabout but when you can floor it what a rush
Have a low boost setting which will enable you to still use the car for blasting out of roundabouts and a high boost setting for drag racing - Might be difficutlt if you're using a MASSIVE turbo though
I've got 3 boost settings on mine, 0.5bar (in case the Mrs needs to use it
), 1.0 bar (should be about 400bhp) and 1.4-1.5 bar (about 550BHP) for occassional use Ohhhh, sorry not a scoob by the way but hopefully still relevant
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07 February 2006, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chris singleton
Ohhhh, sorry not a scoob by the way but hopefully still relevant
Chris
Tried to boot my car the otherday, and the backend came out, it really made me think twice about doing it again in damp conditions, and thats with a slow 310bhp scooby.
I dont think I could be trusted.
07 February 2006, 03:21 PM
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My 315bhp bugeye was easy to control, even in the wet - only ever got out of shape once and that was carrying to much speed into the corner so my own stupid fault.
Powering out of bends in the dry or the west was an absolute blast
Powering out of bends in the dry or the west was an absolute blast
07 February 2006, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobyboy1
Got to be a Skyline then!
Tried to boot my car the otherday, and the backend came out, it really made me think twice about doing it again in damp conditions, and thats with a slow 310bhp scooby.
I dont think I could be trusted.
Tried to boot my car the otherday, and the backend came out, it really made me think twice about doing it again in damp conditions, and thats with a slow 310bhp scooby.
I dont think I could be trusted.
Wouldn't call a 310bhp scooby slow
07 February 2006, 03:31 PM
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I've driven a 550 hp lardy new-age Porsche turbo - up to 100mph it didn't feel quicker than my Scoob with something over 360 and a JDM 6MT. Over 100mph was a completely different story - sooo long geared and (I guess) aerodynamics make the push in the back feel the same all the way up to 150, where I bottled out.
For me, as long as boost control is progressive enough, then driving a 600 hp Scoob in the wet should be no problem, assuming you can drive properly. I can't, and on the twisties a 320 hp Scoob stays with me no problem - swap cars and mine disappears off into the distance
I prefer long straights
Good luck with the project - but I'd personally stop now and buy Adams car too. At least 70% of your investment is gone before the engine is even fired up for the first time if building yourself. Find someone else to take the financial pain.
Richard
For me, as long as boost control is progressive enough, then driving a 600 hp Scoob in the wet should be no problem, assuming you can drive properly. I can't, and on the twisties a 320 hp Scoob stays with me no problem - swap cars and mine disappears off into the distance
I prefer long straights Good luck with the project - but I'd personally stop now and buy Adams car too. At least 70% of your investment is gone before the engine is even fired up for the first time if building yourself. Find someone else to take the financial pain.
Richard
07 February 2006, 03:36 PM
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I agree with Richard.
If the boost has full multi-dimensional control with a very smooth throttle position map then you can use the loud pedal to control how much you want (above the wastegate spring pressure of course).
With my car there was a good degree of control and I remember have a great drive with another Scoob in the Twisties (TM) and by using the throttle sensibly it was very fast and yet never going over 1 bar (about 425bhp).
It depends on both the ECU AND the skill of the mapper.
Rannoch
If the boost has full multi-dimensional control with a very smooth throttle position map then you can use the loud pedal to control how much you want (above the wastegate spring pressure of course).
With my car there was a good degree of control and I remember have a great drive with another Scoob in the Twisties (TM) and by using the throttle sensibly it was very fast and yet never going over 1 bar (about 425bhp).
It depends on both the ECU AND the skill of the mapper.
Rannoch
07 February 2006, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chris singleton
Wouldn't call a 310bhp scooby slow
Anyway have learned over the years that power is nothing with out the right brakes and suspension set up, My car felt much quicker point to point when I added a set of AP 6-pots and Coilovers, then having the extra 100bhp to the engine.
07 February 2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobyboy1
It is comapred to a 600bhp P1.
Anyway have learned over the years that power is nothing with out the right brakes and suspension set up, My car felt much quicker point to point when I added a set of AP 6-pots and Coilovers, then having the extra 100bhp to the engine.
Anyway have learned over the years that power is nothing with out the right brakes and suspension set up, My car felt much quicker point to point when I added a set of AP 6-pots and Coilovers, then having the extra 100bhp to the engine.
Hell yeah, had the six pots on my scoob and got them on the skylark also
07 February 2006, 04:39 PM
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550-600bhp in P1 what will it feel like?
Here goes:
Foot to the floor....wait for it.....
*Sound of local storm force gale from under the bonnet *
"fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ckinnnnnnnnnnnnn.........."
*Large crash*
*thud as insurance man passes out*
Here goes:
Foot to the floor....wait for it.....
*Sound of local storm force gale from under the bonnet *
"fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ckinnnnnnnnnnnnn.........."
*Large crash*
*thud as insurance man passes out*
07 February 2006, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KnobbySP1
I have a 501 BHP/Torque MY02 (Bugeye) STi built by Scoobymania. Specially built to a be a daily driver and a track day machine.
In a word it's awesome
And yes I've driven other fast cars to compare it with: 911 Turbo, F355, F360 CS...
In a word it's awesome
And yes I've driven other fast cars to compare it with: 911 Turbo, F355, F360 CS...
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481183
07 February 2006, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
I agree with Richard.
If the boost has full multi-dimensional control with a very smooth throttle position map then you can use the loud pedal to control how much you want (above the wastegate spring pressure of course).
With my car there was a good degree of control and I remember have a great drive with another Scoob in the Twisties (TM) and by using the throttle sensibly it was very fast and yet never going over 1 bar (about 425bhp).
It depends on both the ECU AND the skill of the mapper.
Rannoch
If the boost has full multi-dimensional control with a very smooth throttle position map then you can use the loud pedal to control how much you want (above the wastegate spring pressure of course).
With my car there was a good degree of control and I remember have a great drive with another Scoob in the Twisties (TM) and by using the throttle sensibly it was very fast and yet never going over 1 bar (about 425bhp).
It depends on both the ECU AND the skill of the mapper.
Rannoch
Without anti lag there is no ECU (or mapper
) capable of getting the turbo 'on the boil' at roundabout speeds and part throttle modulation is far more difficult. Due to the turbos increased inertia it is slow to pick up boost in the twisties and the car is just not fun to drive.
07 February 2006, 07:25 PM
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I must admit that i have never been out in a car with 600bhp. Never had the opportunity so if anyone ever fancies breaking my 600bhp virginity sometime let me know. (preferably on a track)
A friend of mine bought a 300zx with 500bhp. Was a lovely car. Coming back from southend one night he exited a roundabout at about 40mph. 4th gear and he put his foot down and it snapped round in front of me and put the car through a tree tearing front end off.
This was enough to make me thankful i bought a scoob instead of the 200sx i had eye on.
power's great however i think respect for it is more important after seeing consequence of a lapse in concentration first hand in front of me. Its not nice being first on scene when your mates are climbing out of a write off.
A friend of mine bought a 300zx with 500bhp. Was a lovely car. Coming back from southend one night he exited a roundabout at about 40mph. 4th gear and he put his foot down and it snapped round in front of me and put the car through a tree tearing front end off.
This was enough to make me thankful i bought a scoob instead of the 200sx i had eye on.
power's great however i think respect for it is more important after seeing consequence of a lapse in concentration first hand in front of me. Its not nice being first on scene when your mates are climbing out of a write off.
07 February 2006, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by j900ase
in Torbay there are quite a lot of young (footballers i think) people driving 400/500 bhp supercars.
