Smoking ban in all pubs and clubs
15 February 2006, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Since when was it mandatory to have a smoker in every room? How long has it been banned to provide non-smoking facilities in pubs and restaurants?
but most pubs are 1 or maybe 2 rooms so what is your point?
15 February 2006, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
The smokers who harp on about their civil liberties being removed need to appreciate that they are infact removing the civil liberties of the non smoker to a smoke free environment. Why is it smokers have civil liberties but non smokers don't?
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15 February 2006, 09:41 AM
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Reality check for those who are crying "nanny state".
Ever heard the term "democracy"??
It is a Latin derivative of the term "people power". As we have 60 million in the UK we can no longer all stand in assembly, raising our hands based on our answers to a given question - what we do is vote for a group to do this on our behalf.
The ban is democratic bacause:
A. More people want the ban than people that do not.
B. It was an open vote participated in by all MP's.
Ever heard the term "democracy"??
It is a Latin derivative of the term "people power". As we have 60 million in the UK we can no longer all stand in assembly, raising our hands based on our answers to a given question - what we do is vote for a group to do this on our behalf.
The ban is democratic bacause:
A. More people want the ban than people that do not.
B. It was an open vote participated in by all MP's.
15 February 2006, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
So to protect your liberty you ban it from others? A very enlightened approach.
15 February 2006, 09:41 AM
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I was in NZ last year where they have a ban, people were just standing around outside pubs on the pavement with their beers smoking!
They'll find ways around the law I'm sure.
Personally as a non-smoker I'm in favour of banning it from food places. I hate it when people smoke around you while you are eating, I'm not that fussed about in clubs as they usually have good air con, though some small pubs it gets a bit bad at times.
They'll find ways around the law I'm sure.
Personally as a non-smoker I'm in favour of banning it from food places. I hate it when people smoke around you while you are eating, I'm not that fussed about in clubs as they usually have good air con, though some small pubs it gets a bit bad at times.
15 February 2006, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Where in my post did I mention the word Ban ???
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Personally I am chuffed with the ban
15 February 2006, 09:50 AM
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So will lots of surgeons, doctors and nurses now lose their jobs as there will be no more smoking related illnesses in the future ?
So our taxes will fall right ?
So our taxes will fall right ?
15 February 2006, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
Really really good news!
Ban meat eaters next for various left wing politically correct reasons
15 February 2006, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Hello
Perhaps you misinterprate my use of the word "you", I meant generally not you personally!
Perhaps you misinterprate my use of the word "you", I meant generally not you personally!
15 February 2006, 09:55 AM
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Question for Ollyk........and anyone else that questions the civil liberties issue relating to the ban.
Bonfires were "banned" not so long ago. The reason for this ban was that bonfires caused negative effect on other people. Ash on cars, smell etc. This is no different to smoking, infact it's a good example as the spin offs are similar.
It is a persons right to burn something on their own property - HOWEVER that affects the rights of others within the vicinity (as such that right no longer applies) - as such, a ban was imposed as people were continuing to be selfish (having bonfires).
The whole point of Government is to enforce rule upon those who incapable of applying common sense themselves.
What would you suggest??
A bonfire is your right??......and if it is banned you are affecting the civil liberties of those who wish to partake in having a bonfire?? Would you suggest that "if you don't like it you should move elsewhere"???
Now forgive me, but the issue is with people partaking in the act of having a bonfire and NOT with those who choose not to. The same principle applies with regards to smoking.
I look forward to your response.
Bonfires were "banned" not so long ago. The reason for this ban was that bonfires caused negative effect on other people. Ash on cars, smell etc. This is no different to smoking, infact it's a good example as the spin offs are similar.
It is a persons right to burn something on their own property - HOWEVER that affects the rights of others within the vicinity (as such that right no longer applies) - as such, a ban was imposed as people were continuing to be selfish (having bonfires).
The whole point of Government is to enforce rule upon those who incapable of applying common sense themselves.
What would you suggest??
A bonfire is your right??......and if it is banned you are affecting the civil liberties of those who wish to partake in having a bonfire?? Would you suggest that "if you don't like it you should move elsewhere"???
Now forgive me, but the issue is with people partaking in the act of having a bonfire and NOT with those who choose not to. The same principle applies with regards to smoking.
I look forward to your response.
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15 February 2006, 09:57 AM
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I think all the smokers who frequent pubs/clubs/restaurants should not visit these establishments for the few months leading up to the ban. Let the non smokers who complain so much carry the burden of keeping a publican in business. Wonder if the ban would ever materialise
15 February 2006, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Question for Ollyk........and anyone else that questions the civil liberties issue relating to the ban.
Bonfires were "banned" not so long ago. The reason for this ban was that bonfires caused negative effect on other people. Ash on cars, smell etc. This is no different to smoking, infact it's a good example as the spin offs are similar.
It is a persons right to burn something on their own property - HOWEVER that affects the rights of others within the vicinity (as such that right no longer applies) - as such, a ban was imposed as people were continuing to be selfish (having bonfires). the whole point of Government is to enforce rule upon those who incapable of applying common sense themselves.
What would you suggest??
A bonfire is your right??....and if it is banned you are affecting the civil liberties of those who wish to partake in having a bonfire?? Would you suggest that "if you don't like it you should move elsewhere"???
I look forward to your response.
Bonfires were "banned" not so long ago. The reason for this ban was that bonfires caused negative effect on other people. Ash on cars, smell etc. This is no different to smoking, infact it's a good example as the spin offs are similar.
It is a persons right to burn something on their own property - HOWEVER that affects the rights of others within the vicinity (as such that right no longer applies) - as such, a ban was imposed as people were continuing to be selfish (having bonfires). the whole point of Government is to enforce rule upon those who incapable of applying common sense themselves.
What would you suggest??
A bonfire is your right??....and if it is banned you are affecting the civil liberties of those who wish to partake in having a bonfire?? Would you suggest that "if you don't like it you should move elsewhere"???
I look forward to your response.
15 February 2006, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by lightning101
Why don't they ban mcdonalds, burger king and KFC then ? 
I'm all in favour of this ban. In fact I can honestly say I'm a convert to banning all things "unhealthy". I won't be happy til every little pleasure that is remotely bad for you is banned.
15 February 2006, 10:03 AM
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You *know* the difference, guys - smoking affects other people, and is bad for you, even in "moderation". You can extrapolate it as much as you want to other potentially unhealthy pursuits, but smoking is a special case, and you know it.
15 February 2006, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
No Irish publican has gone out of business as a direct result of the ban, as far as i'm aware.
http://www.ulsterpubs.com/news/defau...?itemId=9&va=1
“The experience of the licensed trade in the Republic of Ireland has been traumatic,” says Nicola Carruthers, “particularly in rural areas. Statistics from the Vintners Federation of Ireland, the representative body of the licensed trade in the Republic, show that there have been dozens of pub closures in the South since the total smoking ban was introduced in March 2004, for example, 26 closures in Co Clare and 20 in Co Sligo alone. The Republic of Ireland’s official Employment Figures bear these facts out. While all sectors of the Republic’s economy are growing in employment terms, the numbers employed in the licensed trade and hospitality sector fell by 7,500 last year.”
“Our research has shown that staff and pub users would prefer to see dedicated smoking areas introduced and better ventilation installed rather than have an outright smoking ban introduced and our members are prepared to make the investment necessary to ensure that the highest standards of smoke control is are met on their premises.” said Nicola Carruthers.
Just a brief search turned that up.
15 February 2006, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
You *know* the difference, guys - smoking affects other people, and is bad for you, even in "moderation". You can extrapolate it as much as you want to other potentially unhealthy pursuits, but smoking is a special case, and you know it.
15 February 2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Point taken, but hardly independent research is it?
No Irish publican has gone out of business as a direct result of the ban, as far as i'm aware
15 February 2006, 10:17 AM
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Off over to Ireland in a few hours from now. I have to say personally, I dont go out as much over there now as I did a few years ago. This may be offset with others going out because its smoke free. But I do feel there will be a loss of trade over here, I was in favour of a partial ban, not the mess that was proposed, but an outright ban in wrong IMHO.
15 February 2006, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
How many other special cases are there though? Driving a cat free, polluting and noisy Subaru could be a special case also.
15 February 2006, 10:30 AM
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Your civil liberties are decided by the govt. who are given a mandate by the elctorate, so your civil liberties are not being eroded, they are the majority view of this country.
Smoking is becoming more and more unacceptable, and the percentage of smokers is shrinking, so you really have no recourse in this, it's just selfish bitching.
No one is saying you can't smoke, you just can't force others to breathe your smoke, which is fair enough. I wouldn't come up to you in a pub and force you to drink if you were a tea totaller. Even then, at least you could spit it out, you can't get away from the smoke.
The air cleaners do not remove all of the smoke, and it has to get to them first, others will always breathe some in, no matter how little.
Was bear baiting an erosion of civil liberties? **** fighting? Dog fighting? Throughout history, things that have become unacceptable to the majority have been banned, and smoking is no different. A few generations from now, people will look back and say "sheesh, can you imagine what it must have been like when people smoked? Terrible!"
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Smoking is becoming more and more unacceptable, and the percentage of smokers is shrinking, so you really have no recourse in this, it's just selfish bitching.
No one is saying you can't smoke, you just can't force others to breathe your smoke, which is fair enough. I wouldn't come up to you in a pub and force you to drink if you were a tea totaller. Even then, at least you could spit it out, you can't get away from the smoke.
The air cleaners do not remove all of the smoke, and it has to get to them first, others will always breathe some in, no matter how little.
Was bear baiting an erosion of civil liberties? **** fighting? Dog fighting? Throughout history, things that have become unacceptable to the majority have been banned, and smoking is no different. A few generations from now, people will look back and say "sheesh, can you imagine what it must have been like when people smoked? Terrible!"
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