Smoking ban in all pubs and clubs
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Where I work there are special bins for cigarettes and yet the whole area where smokers congregate is covered in discarded *** butts. It's the same on the golf course and the beach and worst of all, the car in front that throws them out the window at me while I'm driving. When will smokers see that cigarettes are in fact paper, which is an fact litter.
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
Where I work there are special bins for cigarettes and yet the whole area where smokers congregate is covered in discarded *** butts. It's the same on the golf course and the beach and worst of all, the car in front that throws them out the window at me while I'm driving. When will smokers see that cigarettes are in fact paper, which is an fact litter.
The nunmber of times I see people chuck stuff out the window takes the ****. Banana skins and apple cores don't mater - but plastic bags with discarded lunch annoys me massively.
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And drinks cans as well, litter should be the next gov't target but it involves no revenue/tax, so doubt they will be bothered
As an aside, an environmentalist chap once told me that banana skins/fruit skins take over 1000 years to biodegrade if chucked into fields etc so should be treated as normal rubbish
As an aside, an environmentalist chap once told me that banana skins/fruit skins take over 1000 years to biodegrade if chucked into fields etc so should be treated as normal rubbish
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
As an aside, an environmentalist chap once told me that banana skins/fruit skins take over 1000 years to biodegrade if chucked into fields etc so should be treated as normal rubbish
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Olly, when you say a village may have say 2 or 3 pubs and they should provide a choice, one be smoking and one be no smoking etc... Hows that going to work exactly? It would mean the pubs landlords would have to make the changes and thats not going to happen. It'll get left as it is IMO...
Also I find it unpracticle as then your dividing social groups of people. say you like to drink with 5 friends and 2 or 3 of them smoke, we just split up do we and not drink together.... Without a comment about compromise. Someone has to give in somewhere... Its just not practicle. pleasing the masses works so much better. Nobody is being denied the right to smoke. Theyre being denied the right to smoke in specific areas. Just like your denied the right to have a shyt on the floor in the bar.
Also I find it unpracticle as then your dividing social groups of people. say you like to drink with 5 friends and 2 or 3 of them smoke, we just split up do we and not drink together.... Without a comment about compromise. Someone has to give in somewhere... Its just not practicle. pleasing the masses works so much better. Nobody is being denied the right to smoke. Theyre being denied the right to smoke in specific areas. Just like your denied the right to have a shyt on the floor in the bar.
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
How an earth do they know that has somebody actually sat and watched one or started a study 1000 years ago and kept it running all these years???
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
As an aside, an environmentalist chap once told me that banana skins/fruit skins take over 1000 years to biodegrade if chucked into fields etc so should be treated as normal rubbish
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
As an aside, an environmentalist chap once told me that banana skins/fruit skins take over 1000 years to biodegrade if chucked into fields etc so should be treated as normal rubbish
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Originally Posted by JamieMacdonald
You drinking a beer DOES NOT directly affect people in your vicinity
You smoking a cigarette DOES directly affect people in your vicinity
You smoking a cigarette DOES directly affect people in your vicinity
and I quote from a smoker who doesn't drink :
"Did you read the rest of this thread? A single cocktail puts out as many carcenogens (sorry about the spelling) as a cigarette however that FACT seems to have been largely ignored by the anti smoking drinkers. The studies of the effects of passive smoking are actually very limited and far from conclusive (particularly once you have factored in all other conditions).."
Lot more info about it in this topic here, but you need to register to view it.
I however, am pleased a ban is in place for smoking in public places, and fully support it.
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Originally Posted by ChristianR
"Did you read the rest of this thread? A single cocktail puts out as many carcenogens (sorry about the spelling) as a cigarette however that FACT seems to have been largely ignored by the anti smoking drinkers. The studies of the effects of passive smoking are actually very limited and far from conclusive (particularly once you have factored in all other conditions).."
The effects of passive smoking may well be over amplified by the anti-smoking lobby, but smoking does have health issues, so passive smoking will have some effect, whereas there is no such thing as passive drinking (apart from the social problems of course )
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Originally Posted by Geezer
Cocktails may well contain as many carcogens as a cigarette, but unless I forcibly pour it down your throat, it will only affect me!
The effects of passive smoking may well be over amplified by the anti-smoking lobby, but smoking does have health issues, so passive smoking will have some effect, whereas there is no such thing as passive drinking (apart from the social problems of course )
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The effects of passive smoking may well be over amplified by the anti-smoking lobby, but smoking does have health issues, so passive smoking will have some effect, whereas there is no such thing as passive drinking (apart from the social problems of course )
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.....the negative social effects of drinking to excess are illegal. So, the component of drinking that affects others adversely is illegal. As such, the ban on smoking and the ban on anti social behaviour as a result of drinking are both categorised in the same pot. That pot is "banned" as your actions affect others. Simple.
# Smoking's negative (that affects others) is smell and health issues.
# Drinking's negative (that affects others) is anti-social behaviour.
Both of the above are not illegal, they are simply resultants of the given action, however both of the above ARE illegal when it is done in the vicinity of others. It really is a simple concept to grasp. Thankfully, a concept that will be in place soon.
Though, if you were to ask some on this thread they would argue it is your right to act in an anti-social manner - and if you don't like it, you should go elsewhere. Taking idealism to all new heights even if it is to the detriment to the many.
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