Cranial osteopathy
24 February 2006, 08:37 AM
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DBPC tests are not applied to all procedures becuase it isn't always practicle or ethical.
If all the tests of cranial osteopathy have been done on adults then I find those results completely irrelevant as I am, and so are the others here, talking about paedatric cranial osteopathy on a very young child and that is very different to cranial osteopathy on an adult, for the very reason which you have already explained, the bones that form the skull being easily manipulated in a baby and not possible in an adult.
Find me test results that have been carried out on babies that categorically show cranial osteopathy didn't work for them. I bet there arn't any based on the above reasons (ethical and medical reasons) and all the results are for adults being tested.
24 February 2006, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
I would apply this to the treatment of very young babies also, again which would explain why there is little evidence of paedatric cranial osteopathy being a success. You asked for proof in the way of x-rays etc. Well no one is going to x-ray a babies head unless its absolutely medically necessary.
If all the tests of cranial osteopathy have been done on adults then I find those results completely irrelevant as I am, and so are the others here, talking about paedatric cranial osteopathy on a very young child and that is very different to cranial osteopathy on an adult, for the very reason which you have already explained, the bones that form the skull being easily manipulated in a baby and not possible in an adult.
Find me test results that have been carried out on babies that categorically show cranial osteopathy didn't work for them. I bet there arn't any based on the above reasons (ethical and medical reasons) and all the results are for adults being tested.
There seems to be a reluctance from the CO practitioners to get their techniques formally tested and accepted within the mainstream for some reason. There are a number of cliams that they make which can also be tested:
Cranial osteopaths claim they are trained to feel a very subtle, rhythmic shape change that is present in all physical tissues. This is known as the involuntary mechanism or the cranial rhythm. The movement is said to be very subtle, and it takes practitioners with a very finely developed sense of touch to feel it.
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alternative treatment!? our baby hospital told all the mothers in the classes to use a CO as soon as possible. no mumbo witch doctor stuff here, this was specifically recommended by the paediatric doctors...
ps - first hand experience (for waht it counts to the pedantics here) was extremely helpful to our little boy
ps - first hand experience (for waht it counts to the pedantics here) was extremely helpful to our little boy
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Originally Posted by Ted Maul
alternative treatment!? our baby hospital told all the mothers in the classes to use a CO as soon as possible. no mumbo witch doctor stuff here, this was specifically recommended by the paediatric doctors...
ps - first hand experience (for waht it counts to the pedantics here) was extremely helpful to our little boy
ps - first hand experience (for waht it counts to the pedantics here) was extremely helpful to our little boy
24 February 2006, 01:23 PM
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So are you saying you accept CO doesn't work for adults?
I had one session on myself out of interest to see if it could help me with stress levels at the time and what ever they did (which was more than just a head massage) it did something because it made me feel very different afterwards and had a very noticeable effect but for me I didn't think the cost for myself warranted continuing the treatment. For my son the cost was not an issue and the reason for treatment was far more important and the results were far more obvious.
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Originally Posted by **************
No but I am positive it has far more effect on babies due to how their bones can be manipulated compared to those of an adult. I have only been referring to paedatric cranial osteopathy in my argument and not cranial osteopathy as a whole as its the paedatric treatment that I have seen the results of 1st hand.
I had one session on myself out of interest to see if it could help me with stress levels at the time and what ever they did (which was more than just a head massage) it did something because it made me feel very different afterwards and had a very noticeable effect but for me I didn't think the cost for myself warranted continuing the treatment. For my son the cost was not an issue and the reason for treatment was far more important and the results were far more obvious.
I had one session on myself out of interest to see if it could help me with stress levels at the time and what ever they did (which was more than just a head massage) it did something because it made me feel very different afterwards and had a very noticeable effect but for me I didn't think the cost for myself warranted continuing the treatment. For my son the cost was not an issue and the reason for treatment was far more important and the results were far more obvious.
1) Do you think there is something special about OC praticioners or could anybody do it?
2) Does the skull need to be manipulated in a very specific way, or is it just the manipulation that is important. What about the amount of pressure used?
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There are reasons why CO may help the problems being discussed, but it is not the reasons the Cranial Osteopath would think it works.
At the practice I manage we treat a lot of glue ear, constant infections (ear, throat etc.,..) as well as many other things. Part of the treatment we give would have a similar effect to some of the massage etc given as part of CO, though it is more specifically targeted so we would expect it to be more effective. We would not be surprised to see a child also suffering for instance with eczema (or various other complaints as well) as the root cause of both problems is connected.
Our approach is not alternative medicine but an advanced form of conventional medicine.
So yes I can see CO might help.
I don't think it is appropriate for me to go into this in any greater detail in this forum but I hope that helps a little.
Kind regards,
Robin
At the practice I manage we treat a lot of glue ear, constant infections (ear, throat etc.,..) as well as many other things. Part of the treatment we give would have a similar effect to some of the massage etc given as part of CO, though it is more specifically targeted so we would expect it to be more effective. We would not be surprised to see a child also suffering for instance with eczema (or various other complaints as well) as the root cause of both problems is connected.
Our approach is not alternative medicine but an advanced form of conventional medicine.
So yes I can see CO might help.
I don't think it is appropriate for me to go into this in any greater detail in this forum but I hope that helps a little.
Kind regards,
Robin
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24 February 2006, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I'll ask a couple of questions if I may.
1) Do you think there is something special about OC praticioners or could anybody do it?
2) Does the skull need to be manipulated in a very specific way, or is it just the manipulation that is important. What about the amount of pressure used?
1) Do you think there is something special about OC praticioners or could anybody do it?
2) Does the skull need to be manipulated in a very specific way, or is it just the manipulation that is important. What about the amount of pressure used?
1) There is nothing "special" about them in as much as you referred to the paranormal or such like earlier in this discussion. I don't agree with any of that and there was no such reference to any thing to do with that from the cranial osteopath I saw. Like I mentioned before the person whose clinic I went to is a paediatric consultant so I would hazard a guess that to get to that level you would require a lot of training and experience gained over many years. He was recomended from family friends having used his practice and I acted on those recomendations and the initial consultation. If it had been some weirdo promising the earth I would have walked away. I would say anyone could do it with the appropriate training and experience as in any profession.
2) From what I saw and also what was explained to me yes I would say its a very specific way. And also from the session I had on myself it was not a head massage. I would say it was more to do with concentrating on pressure points and knowing exactly where on the head to touch/apply light pressure to. It certainly wasn't all over and was very specific and the pressure applied felt very light. At no point was there strong pressure applied like you might experience with a massage.
Like I also said before the feeling afterwards was very bizarre. I went in feeling wide awake and as bright as a button. I came out feeling very sleepy and relaxed and almost light headed which was explained to me would happen. I was certainly surprised by the change in feeling. At no point did my session say anything about moving the bones in my head or saying anything of the sort. That was for my baby son. My session was about tension and relieving that tension and that was certainly done in the short term. I didn't go back for more as I didn't have the money for myself to spend on such treatment and only really went just out of curiosity to see what effect if any it would have on me compared to what effect it had on my son which was much more serious.
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