12 weeks for killing a 3 year old girl???
#61
Originally Posted by mart360
Calm down,
it would be the same response, if he was white, green, blue, agnostic, catholic, or any other faith or race.
he may not be a muslim, but on the balance of probability!!
Whats really pissing people off, is the fact it was a child that was killed.
i,m prettu certain that the twelve weeks he spends IF he actually spends 12 weeks in prison will be the worst time of his life,
as an aside, (cynic mode on)
when he does get out and some one slaps him want to bet that it gets treated as a rascist incident
Mart
it would be the same response, if he was white, green, blue, agnostic, catholic, or any other faith or race.
he may not be a muslim, but on the balance of probability!!
Whats really pissing people off, is the fact it was a child that was killed.
i,m prettu certain that the twelve weeks he spends IF he actually spends 12 weeks in prison will be the worst time of his life,
as an aside, (cynic mode on)
when he does get out and some one slaps him want to bet that it gets treated as a rascist incident
Mart
Read your own previous post. Do you think those things would apply if he was one of the other faiths you mentioned?
Your post seemed more interested in the 'Muslim' aspect as opposed to the death of the little girl.
How do you expect people to react?
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Originally Posted by scoobchrissy
very true as well mate
Managed to be the little cheerleader for the anti Muslim/immigrant/brown face comment, yet again, did we?? Ahh bless.
Not managed to think up anything of your own yet?? Ahhhh, dont worry.
It will come to you eventually.
Now run along.
Bless.
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
What evidence do you have for that please?
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Oh look, its little Scoobchrissy! Oh bless! Managed to turn up on another thread did we??
Managed to be the little cheerleader for the anti Muslim/immigrant/brown face comment, yet again, did we?? Ahh bless.
Not managed to think up anything of your own yet?? Ahhhh, dont worry.
It will come to you eventually.
Now run along.
Bless.
Managed to be the little cheerleader for the anti Muslim/immigrant/brown face comment, yet again, did we?? Ahh bless.
Not managed to think up anything of your own yet?? Ahhhh, dont worry.
It will come to you eventually.
Now run along.
Bless.
#66
Originally Posted by scoobchrissy
Asif try the demonstrations in london, what they were shouting, plus the bloke who dressed as a suicide bomber, he should have been shot dead, or arrested there and then as a few others should have been, but no Kids glove's were out then... FACT
So, anyone breaking any law, should be shot dead? Is this just for brown people is it?
Didn't the guy in fancy dress get locked up for breaking his parole?
If 'no kids glove's were out then', what are you complaining about?
You got me there!
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Mart,
Read your own previous post. Do you think those things would apply if he was one of the other faiths you mentioned?
Your post seemed more interested in the 'Muslim' aspect as opposed to the death of the little girl.
How do you expect people to react?
Asif
Read your own previous post. Do you think those things would apply if he was one of the other faiths you mentioned?
Your post seemed more interested in the 'Muslim' aspect as opposed to the death of the little girl.
How do you expect people to react?
Asif
I suggest you read the thread form the start.
I made no referance to the faith or nationality, in my original post.
other posters kicked that off,
the only comments i made were follwing the disclosure of the other posters.
If you read my post you would see that the comment i made was id tear the w*nker apart if it was my child.
My comments were based on your comment how people had turned it into a muslim bashing thread,
and as i said it wouldnt matter what faith or race the driver was, given what had happened, the feeling would be the same.
i dont give a toss personally what or who the driver is, all i know is he dosent deserve to be released, and if theres any justice, he wont have a very happy life .
Mart
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
So, anyone breaking any law, should be shot dead? Is this just for brown people is it?
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Usual stuff from Asif:
Fact: at leat one muslim was seen at the protests in London carrying a placard stating that anyone who insulted Islam should be beheaded. What happened? Nowt
FACT: BOTH guys from BNP to face a retrial for inciting racial/religious hatred
Now imagine what would happen to me, if I walk down the street in Scunny, let alone London, with a placard asking for another religion's followers to be beheaded? Arrested and charged so fast my feet wouldn't touch.
And I STILL have to see Asif actually say ANYTHING about the guy that did this killing apart from that he's a waster.
Come back when you can see BOTH sides mate.
Alcazar
Fact: at leat one muslim was seen at the protests in London carrying a placard stating that anyone who insulted Islam should be beheaded. What happened? Nowt
FACT: BOTH guys from BNP to face a retrial for inciting racial/religious hatred
Now imagine what would happen to me, if I walk down the street in Scunny, let alone London, with a placard asking for another religion's followers to be beheaded? Arrested and charged so fast my feet wouldn't touch.
And I STILL have to see Asif actually say ANYTHING about the guy that did this killing apart from that he's a waster.
Come back when you can see BOTH sides mate.
Alcazar
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Originally Posted by mart360
I suggest you read the thread form the start.
I made no referance to the faith or nationality, in my original post.
other posters kicked that off,
the only comments i made were follwing the disclosure of the other posters.
If you read my post you would see that the comment i made was id tear the w*nker apart if it was my child.
My comments were based on your comment how people had turned it into a muslim bashing thread,
and as i said it wouldnt matter what faith or race the driver was, given what had happened, the feeling would be the same.
i dont give a toss personally what or who the driver is, all i know is he dosent deserve to be released, and if theres any justice, he wont have a very happy life .
Mart
I made no referance to the faith or nationality, in my original post.
other posters kicked that off,
the only comments i made were follwing the disclosure of the other posters.
If you read my post you would see that the comment i made was id tear the w*nker apart if it was my child.
My comments were based on your comment how people had turned it into a muslim bashing thread,
and as i said it wouldnt matter what faith or race the driver was, given what had happened, the feeling would be the same.
i dont give a toss personally what or who the driver is, all i know is he dosent deserve to be released, and if theres any justice, he wont have a very happy life .
Mart
I was talking about your post #34, what was all that about then?
I agree with your other comments.
Asif
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Usual stuff from Asif:
Fact: at leat one muslim was seen at the protests in London carrying a placard stating that anyone who insulted Islam should be beheaded. What happened? Nowt
FACT: BOTH guys from BNP to face a retrial for inciting racial/religious hatred
Now imagine what would happen to me, if I walk down the street in Scunny, let alone London, with a placard asking for another religion's followers to be beheaded? Arrested and charged so fast my feet wouldn't touch.
And I STILL have to see Asif actually say ANYTHING about the guy that did this killing apart from that he's a waster.
Come back when you can see BOTH sides mate.
Alcazar
Fact: at leat one muslim was seen at the protests in London carrying a placard stating that anyone who insulted Islam should be beheaded. What happened? Nowt
FACT: BOTH guys from BNP to face a retrial for inciting racial/religious hatred
Now imagine what would happen to me, if I walk down the street in Scunny, let alone London, with a placard asking for another religion's followers to be beheaded? Arrested and charged so fast my feet wouldn't touch.
And I STILL have to see Asif actually say ANYTHING about the guy that did this killing apart from that he's a waster.
Come back when you can see BOTH sides mate.
Alcazar
You are hardly a bastion of objectivity on SN are you?
As far as the protestor is concerned, who knows, perhaps the police are investigating that in their own way?
I really have got no idea as to exactly what would happen to you if you did that. If you came round my way, you would get laughed at. Then, out of sympathy, I might offer you a cup of tea and a sit down for 5 minutes.
What would you like me to say about the guy? I originally typed him us a murdering scumbag etc etc, but thought, hold on, he actually hasn't been convicted of murder has he - and that is what the problem is. In that we are agreed - I think.
However, making me somehow explain myself, because I happen to share the same faith as this guy is completely ridiculous. Also making the sort of comments that you did is hardly expressing any sincere sympathy for the little girls family, more like the same old record.
Can we just drop this now?
Asif
PS. Sorry forgot to add, IMO the trial of Nick Griffin etc was a mistake. Everyone knows what he thinks, it shouldn't come as a surprise. Let him say what he wants.
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#72
Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Mart,
I was talking about your post #34, what was all that about then?
I agree with your other comments.
Asif
I was talking about your post #34, what was all that about then?
I agree with your other comments.
Asif
whenever there is a topical post there is always the "this faith wouldnt do that, this faith dosent believe in that, etc..."
given the outrage over the recent cartoons, which incedentaly no one was killed by them directly i was highlighting how this persons actions were very much agianst what there supposed to stand for, yet no one says anything,
seems odd?? hence the comment
prhaps you,d like to comment on what or how his faith deals with this?
Mart
#73
Originally Posted by mart360
Post 34,
whenever there is a topical post there is always the "this faith wouldnt do that, this faith dosent believe in that, etc..."
given the outrage over the recent cartoons, which incedentaly no one was killed by them directly i was highlighting how this persons actions were very much agianst what there supposed to stand for, yet no one says anything,
seems odd?? hence the comment
prhaps you,d like to comment on what or how his faith deals with this?
Mart
whenever there is a topical post there is always the "this faith wouldnt do that, this faith dosent believe in that, etc..."
given the outrage over the recent cartoons, which incedentaly no one was killed by them directly i was highlighting how this persons actions were very much agianst what there supposed to stand for, yet no one says anything,
seems odd?? hence the comment
prhaps you,d like to comment on what or how his faith deals with this?
Mart
I understand what you are trying to get at, but if you think that his crime was motivated by his faith, then you would be raising a pertinent point.
But I really dont think that it was.
He is either a straightforward criminal, or drug addled/drunken criminal and he should be done for at least death by dangerous driving/manslaughter and be put away, for a long time.
He, presumably, is a British citizen, therefore has been treated by the law of the land. Should we bring in Sharia Law then? Where he would presumably be chopped to bits or something?
Do you think that he only got 12 weeks because of his colour or faith? You have made this sort of statement before?
Asif
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A child is dead, but yet the Scoobynet minority are more worried about the "faith" of the driver!
If a white driver were handed the same sentence, there would still be the uproar, but would there be any comment about his skin colour or his faith?
A thief who stole a teddy bear has been locked up longer than the murderer! WTF is wrong with the British justice system?
If a white driver were handed the same sentence, there would still be the uproar, but would there be any comment about his skin colour or his faith?
A thief who stole a teddy bear has been locked up longer than the murderer! WTF is wrong with the British justice system?
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Mart,
I understand what you are trying to get at, but if you think that his crime was motivated by his faith, then you would be raising a pertinent point.
But I really dont think that it was.
He is either a straightforward criminal, or drug addled/drunken criminal and he should be done for at least death by dangerous driving/manslaughter and be put away, for a long time.
He, presumably, is a British citizen, therefore has been treated by the law of the land. Should we bring in Sharia Law then? Where he would presumably be chopped to bits or something?
Do you think that he only got 12 weeks because of his colour or faith? You have made this sort of statement before?
Asif
I understand what you are trying to get at, but if you think that his crime was motivated by his faith, then you would be raising a pertinent point.
But I really dont think that it was.
He is either a straightforward criminal, or drug addled/drunken criminal and he should be done for at least death by dangerous driving/manslaughter and be put away, for a long time.
He, presumably, is a British citizen, therefore has been treated by the law of the land. Should we bring in Sharia Law then? Where he would presumably be chopped to bits or something?
Do you think that he only got 12 weeks because of his colour or faith? You have made this sort of statement before?
Asif
You have lost the plot mate.
i never made any comment about him getting the twelve weeks because of his faith or colour,
in fact andys post sums it up.!!
if you read my post i said it wouldnt matter what he was what pissed people off was the fact he only got 12 weeks fact!
the other point was
flame suit on,
as soon as theres any contoversy regarding certain members or our community, theres soundbites and spin on how good they are, and are opposed to this and that,
yet on this silence,
Flame suit off.
none of us are perfect, and i can certainly put my hand up to breaking a few commandments.
oh f*ck it whats the point. your never going to see beyond what you think
so i shant bother trying to engage topical discussion
Mart
#76
Originally Posted by mart360
You have lost the plot mate.
i never made any comment about him getting the twelve weeks because of his faith or colour,
in fact andys post sums it up.!!
if you read my post i said it wouldnt matter what he was what pissed people off was the fact he only got 12 weeks fact!
the other point was
flame suit on,
as soon as theres any contoversy regarding certain members or our community, theres soundbites and spin on how good they are, and are opposed to this and that,
yet on this silence,
Flame suit off.
none of us are perfect, and i can certainly put my hand up to breaking a few commandments.
oh f*ck it whats the point. your never going to see beyond what you think
so i shant bother trying to engage topical discussion
Mart
i never made any comment about him getting the twelve weeks because of his faith or colour,
in fact andys post sums it up.!!
if you read my post i said it wouldnt matter what he was what pissed people off was the fact he only got 12 weeks fact!
the other point was
flame suit on,
as soon as theres any contoversy regarding certain members or our community, theres soundbites and spin on how good they are, and are opposed to this and that,
yet on this silence,
Flame suit off.
none of us are perfect, and i can certainly put my hand up to breaking a few commandments.
oh f*ck it whats the point. your never going to see beyond what you think
so i shant bother trying to engage topical discussion
Mart
I have actually tried to answer your relevant points, the rest are just worth ignoring tbh, see if anyone else thinks they are worth responding to.
Again, you are not exactly the most open minded person on SN either are you?
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I think this might be the scene that Alcazar is referring to.
To my knowledge no arrests have been made for incitement to murder, or even s5 Public Order Act. You can read more here. However you feel about that is beside the point. I think in this case the problem is with the CPS not prosecuting a charge of death by dangerous driving. It seems from comments here that there was insufficient evidence to secure a conviction. However I seem to remember the gentleman who was "racing" according to the courts and the person he was "racing" with crashed and died, and yet he was imprisioned using eye witness accounts (and some mobile phone data). I believe in this case he was seen driving erractically, so I am unsure why the same standard is not applied.
To my knowledge no arrests have been made for incitement to murder, or even s5 Public Order Act. You can read more here. However you feel about that is beside the point. I think in this case the problem is with the CPS not prosecuting a charge of death by dangerous driving. It seems from comments here that there was insufficient evidence to secure a conviction. However I seem to remember the gentleman who was "racing" according to the courts and the person he was "racing" with crashed and died, and yet he was imprisioned using eye witness accounts (and some mobile phone data). I believe in this case he was seen driving erractically, so I am unsure why the same standard is not applied.
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#78
Originally Posted by AsifScoob
You're going off half ****, again. I didn't say that you did, but you have made those sorts of comments before - FACT (as everyone else seems to like doing)
I have actually tried to answer your relevant points, the rest are just worth ignoring tbh, see if anyone else thinks they are worth responding to.
Again, you are not exactly the most open minded person on SN either are you?
Asif
I have actually tried to answer your relevant points, the rest are just worth ignoring tbh, see if anyone else thinks they are worth responding to.
Again, you are not exactly the most open minded person on SN either are you?
Asif
either engage openly without the spin or dont bother.
Mart
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
A child is dead, but yet the Scoobynet minority are more worried about the "faith" of the driver!
If a white driver were handed the same sentence, there would still be the uproar, but would there be any comment about his skin colour or his faith?
A thief who stole a teddy bear has been locked up longer than the murderer! WTF is wrong with the British justice system?
If a white driver were handed the same sentence, there would still be the uproar, but would there be any comment about his skin colour or his faith?
A thief who stole a teddy bear has been locked up longer than the murderer! WTF is wrong with the British justice system?
Very true, it matters little to me what colour and or faith the person is in the first place.
A little girl is dead, she was killed by an idiot in a car who should not have been driving.
The cowardly idiot then fled the scene.
The Police then do thier job and arrest the cowardly idiot
The British justice system then swings into gear and hands down a derisory sentence fit for grafitti artists not murderers.
The cowardly idiot is out on the street having paid his debt to society in full three months later!
It sends out the wrong message to EVERYBODY
There is something very wrong with the British justice system if this sort of crimes fall through the net.
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#81
Originally Posted by mart360
Im very open minded, its you who comes over all defensive and trys to shut all arguments down with the usual "racist" comments.
either engage openly without the spin or dont bother.
Mart
either engage openly without the spin or dont bother.
Mart
You seem to see yourself as the darling of the SN, controversial, debating, 'scene', with your self styled Parkinson manner.
Actually you have as much incisiveness, controversy, and 'debate' as Russell Grant.
That coupled with your consistently bad English, grammar, and typing style, make you very irritating to read.
Please stop immediately.
Asif
PS. Forgot to add 'Topical'
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A child has been killed and the person responsible has been given an offensively lenient sentence. This has nothing to do with colour of skin or choice of religion and everything to do with a shambolic legal system.
Those of you bringing race and creed into the argument should be ashamed IMHO
Those of you bringing race and creed into the argument should be ashamed IMHO
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
A child has been killed and the person responsible has been given an offensively lenient sentence. This has nothing to do with colour of skin or choice of religion and everything to do with a shambolic legal system.
Those of you bringing race and creed into the argument should be ashamed IMHO
Those of you bringing race and creed into the argument should be ashamed IMHO
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Although I have it on good authority that he secretly represents the raving loony party!!
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Those of you bringing race and creed into the argument should be ashamed IMHO
The trouble is it is the truth, everyone knows it just that people prefer to sit on the fence and ignore it.
Wake up people we have a multi layered law system that does not want to offend the minorities.
The same minorities that think they are excluded from the wrath of English law ….. Well now we have the ultimate proof.
The sickening thing is a little girl died and the driver only got twelve weeks FFS, he will probably do eight be released and get vouchers for driving lessons, or stick a claim in for stress due to imprisonment and claim sick for the rest of his “working” life.
And before the racial do-gooder’s appear, I feel racially abused by the whole situation. If I had done the same I would have been locked up for a substantially longer period of time. Is that not racist ?
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Originally Posted by tmo
Couldn’t disagree more
The trouble is it is the truth, everyone knows it just that people prefer to sit on the fence and ignore it.
Wake up people we have a multi layered law system that does not want to offend the minorities.
The same minorities that think they are excluded from the wrath of English law ….. Well now we have the ultimate proof.
The sickening thing is a little girl died and the driver only got twelve weeks FFS, he will probably do eight be released and get vouchers for driving lessons, or stick a claim in for stress due to imprisonment and claim sick for the rest of his “working” life.
And before the racial do-gooder’s appear, I feel racially abused by the whole situation. If I had done the same I would have been locked up for a substantially longer period of time. Is that not racist ?
The trouble is it is the truth, everyone knows it just that people prefer to sit on the fence and ignore it.
Wake up people we have a multi layered law system that does not want to offend the minorities.
The same minorities that think they are excluded from the wrath of English law ….. Well now we have the ultimate proof.
The sickening thing is a little girl died and the driver only got twelve weeks FFS, he will probably do eight be released and get vouchers for driving lessons, or stick a claim in for stress due to imprisonment and claim sick for the rest of his “working” life.
And before the racial do-gooder’s appear, I feel racially abused by the whole situation. If I had done the same I would have been locked up for a substantially longer period of time. Is that not racist ?
You may be right- we may or may not have one punishment for one, and one for another generally speaking, but this is NOT the case here. The problem here is with the law. If I understand correctly, this individual got the maximum sentence for the charges that were brought against him! The problem was that these charges were no-where near serious enough and the charge of dangerous driving could not be proven. If there was a more serious charge for causing death whilst driving unlicenced -as we'd all like- then the sentence would have been much greater.
In this instance he got off lightly cause of the inadequacy of the law, NOT cause of his race or religious convictions.
This case makes me very angry, but we have to remain level headed when considering its implications for the legal system.
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
First of all, I'm not a do gooder, honest....I still have a library book on loan that's 25 months overdue!!!
probably get 12 months for that !!!
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I really think that this thread has digressed from my original post. I totally agree that muslims are treated with kid gloves in this country for fear of offending an entire religion, however the sentence in this case has nothing to do with religion, it is to do with the ludicrous laws concerning defining what is dangerous driving. There are plenty of white people in the past who have got similarly lenient sentences. As I stated previously, if driving without a license and insurance carried an automatic charge of dangerous driving, this would deter more people from taking the risk.
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Originally Posted by tmo
probably get 12 months for that !!!
Fortunately, the book was entitled:
"How to steal Library books and get away with it"!!
I've just got another one called
"Soap on a rope: the prisoners friend"
Just in case!!
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
ARGH!!!!! I don't want to share a shower with Big Bob!!!
Fortunately, the book was entitled:
"How to steal Library books and get away with it"!!
I've just got another one called
"Soap on a rope: the prisoners friend"
Just in case!!
PMSL
if you drop anything .... kick it to the door
Ns04
Fortunately, the book was entitled:
"How to steal Library books and get away with it"!!
I've just got another one called
"Soap on a rope: the prisoners friend"
Just in case!!
PMSL
if you drop anything .... kick it to the door
Ns04
PMSL
if you drop anything .... kick it to the door
or as one nun said to the other in the bath
'where's the soap??'
and the other reply's
'yes it does doesn't it !!!!
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
When did I call anyone "racist"?
You seem to see yourself as the darling of the SN, controversial, debating, 'scene', with your self styled Parkinson manner.
Actually you have as much incisiveness, controversy, and 'debate' as Russell Grant.
That coupled with your consistently bad English, grammar, and typing style, make you very irritating to read.
Please stop immediately.
Asif
PS. Forgot to add 'Topical'
You seem to see yourself as the darling of the SN, controversial, debating, 'scene', with your self styled Parkinson manner.
Actually you have as much incisiveness, controversy, and 'debate' as Russell Grant.
That coupled with your consistently bad English, grammar, and typing style, make you very irritating to read.
Please stop immediately.
Asif
PS. Forgot to add 'Topical'
I have readily admitted before my spelling and grammar may not be the worlds best, but you manage to understand enough to post back
Prehaps the best thing is you put me on your ignore list then you can have a very quiet life
Mart