How will Subaru regain a cult status?
02 March 2006, 01:14 PM
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Must admit bug eye owners are a lot better than new age, and wasent classing bug eyes as newage. But I do know what you mean with the wave and that a lot of reps seem to have a newage as a company car and dont give a stuff.
02 March 2006, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Boost II
Same way they built a cult followuing in the 90's.
Subaru need a car for £20k which will blow away the average top of the range family saloon and rival super car performance.
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Subaru need a car for £20k which will blow away the average top of the range family saloon and rival super car performance.
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There has to be a limit for cars in this price bracket and I think we're not too far away from it to be honest.
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02 March 2006, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DARKSSLASH
True, but do you think the new evos look a bit pants too??? compared to say the evo 5, 6 etc when they looked menacing.
Cars are getting more and more powerful but also tend to be piling on weight, so need the exta power to get the same performance.
02 March 2006, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DARKSSLASH
True, but do you think the new evos look a bit pants too??? compared to say the evo 5, 6 etc when they looked menacing.
I think the high levels of safety these new cars have makes them too heavy to be as quick as the older ones. Look at the skylines, they are actually quite slow as standard because of their weight, need 350-400bhp for it to feel quick.
02 March 2006, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Erm, could you be more wrong dude? 
It was as quick as an Evo around a track (which is where the Evo is supposed to be at an advantage), AND this wasn't even one that was on the same par power wise, so methinks the suspension and DCCD does not make **** all difference! The Vetra was deemed to be not far behind THEM ALL, not just the Subaru!!
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It was as quick as an Evo around a track (which is where the Evo is supposed to be at an advantage), AND this wasn't even one that was on the same par power wise, so methinks the suspension and DCCD does not make **** all difference! The Vetra was deemed to be not far behind THEM ALL, not just the Subaru!!Ns04
EVO (the mag) said that the scoobys tyres were the reason for the time being the same, and that on similar rubber the Evo was quicker. So its slower.
DCCD my ****.... !!! Great down the pub... leave it on auto 95% of the time on the road
Not a great improvement for a model thats 5 years old eh? Oh - and the STI now weighs a might 1400000 Tonnes as well... so its slower LOL.Jza
02 March 2006, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jza
Ermmmm.... lets pick a whole in that comment shall we
EVO (the mag) said that the scoobys tyres were the reason for the time being the same, and that on similar rubber the Evo was quicker. So its slower.
Jza
EVO (the mag) said that the scoobys tyres were the reason for the time being the same, and that on similar rubber the Evo was quicker. So its slower.
Jza
We'll give the evo the fancy tyres and the scooby 320bhp and see what happens then shall we. 
I wonder if Evo owners would regard AYC etc as only god for pub talk!!
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02 March 2006, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boost II
Same way they built a cult followuing in the 90's.
Subaru need a car for £20k which will blow away the average top of the range family saloon and rival super car performance.
Family saloons have got a lot faster since then and so have supercars - Scoobies have satyed about the same so not that special compared to the ordainary run of the mill now.
Subaru need a car for £20k which will blow away the average top of the range family saloon and rival super car performance.
Family saloons have got a lot faster since then and so have supercars - Scoobies have satyed about the same so not that special compared to the ordainary run of the mill now.
In a nutshell...
02 March 2006, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Am i the only person who doesn't like the new Evo X?
I think the high levels of safety these new cars have makes them too heavy to be as quick as the older ones. Look at the skylines, they are actually quite slow as standard because of their weight, need 350-400bhp for it to feel quick.
I think the high levels of safety these new cars have makes them too heavy to be as quick as the older ones. Look at the skylines, they are actually quite slow as standard because of their weight, need 350-400bhp for it to feel quick.
02 March 2006, 02:25 PM
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How many people would go out and buy a brand new classic Impreza if they made them again? I reckon it would be an awful lot. They could add a bit of the technology from the later cars and perhaps give it some 22B body panels or something. Price it at £20k and they wouldn't be able to make them quick enough.
02 March 2006, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
How many people would go out and buy a brand new classic Impreza if they made them again? I reckon it would be an awful lot. They could add a bit of the technology from the later cars and perhaps give it some 22B body panels or something. Price it at £20k and they wouldn't be able to make them quick enough.
02 March 2006, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
How many people would go out and buy a brand new classic Impreza if they made them again? I reckon it would be an awful lot. They could add a bit of the technology from the later cars and perhaps give it some 22B body panels or something. Price it at £20k and they wouldn't be able to make them quick enough.
02 March 2006, 02:43 PM
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How will Subaru regain a cult status?
02 March 2006, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Bat
I can't see anyone paying £20k for a car which is usually seen in a macdonalds car park.
Its true that some of the early classics are in the hands of young scallys but eventually they will be either destroyed or bought cheap by enthusiasts and only come out at show time.
Look at 205GTIs, Escort S1 & S2 turbos and indeed Saph cossies etc. For a while there was nothing but junk around and they had a bad rep. Now there is still the odd sh$tter but most are owned by various club members etc.
This will happen to the Classic Impreza too, it will just take a few more years. I'm quite happy with my late classic and only really want to change because I want a Type R STI V5/6. I see these as the ones to really hold there money eventually becuase they are amongst the rarest examples.
02 March 2006, 02:50 PM
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I can remember around 99 in Revs magazine there was a group test on oad going rally cars.
And there was the
Escort Cossie
Lancia Delta Intergrale
&
Subaru Impreza
I before then i hadn't even heard of the Subaru
that is what i call cult staus back in the day when the Cossie was king the impreza was a leftfield choice
And there was the
Escort Cossie
Lancia Delta Intergrale
&
Subaru Impreza
I before then i hadn't even heard of the Subaru
that is what i call cult staus back in the day when the Cossie was king the impreza was a leftfield choice
02 March 2006, 02:54 PM
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Surely the volumes of members on SN gives you confidence of the Scoobs continuing cult status.
I personally don't view the impreza as a "cult" car, but see it more as an iconic car that appeals, in some form, to a broader band of age and social groups, than most cars will aspire to .
Just my 2p worth
I personally don't view the impreza as a "cult" car, but see it more as an iconic car that appeals, in some form, to a broader band of age and social groups, than most cars will aspire to
. Just my 2p worth
02 March 2006, 02:55 PM
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Sounds like the EVO 10 to me
Originally Posted by Mr Bat
The current round of visual changes to the impreza seem to put the final nail in the coffin, especially the rear end of it. How can subaru revive its fortunes and make the impreza a serious proposition and not the joke it has become?
My feelings are that the scoop should go, WR blue should go, gold wheels should go, outrageous spoilers should go (optional if you really feel the need) the engine needs to be a 3 litre turbocharged unit and it should weigh ideally around 1,200-1300kg, optional 2 door and maybe a system where you can turn the 4 wheel drive off, ie on a motorway and just have rear wheel drive? ( no idea if this is practical!!) Flappy paddle gearbox?!
Above all, get a decent designer in (for the interior as well), something understated but menacing would be ideal, who-ever designed the current car should seriously be out of a job.
Any other ideas, or am I talking rubbish !?
My feelings are that the scoop should go, WR blue should go, gold wheels should go, outrageous spoilers should go (optional if you really feel the need) the engine needs to be a 3 litre turbocharged unit and it should weigh ideally around 1,200-1300kg, optional 2 door and maybe a system where you can turn the 4 wheel drive off, ie on a motorway and just have rear wheel drive? ( no idea if this is practical!!) Flappy paddle gearbox?!
Above all, get a decent designer in (for the interior as well), something understated but menacing would be ideal, who-ever designed the current car should seriously be out of a job.
Any other ideas, or am I talking rubbish !?
02 March 2006, 02:56 PM
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Well Said mate
Originally Posted by alloy
Surely the volumes of members on SN gives you confidence of the Scoobs continuing cult status.
I personally don't view the impreza as a "cult" car, but see it more as an iconic car that appeals, in some form, to a broader band of age and social groups, than most cars will aspire to .
Just my 2p worth
I personally don't view the impreza as a "cult" car, but see it more as an iconic car that appeals, in some form, to a broader band of age and social groups, than most cars will aspire to
. Just my 2p worth
02 March 2006, 02:57 PM
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So what car do you own Mr Bat? You don't like Classic Imprezas, you think the new Impreza is the "final" nail in the Subaru coffin, which implies you didn't like the blobeye either, so that leaves the Bugeye, which is not usually peoples favourite Impreza. Or perhaps you don't like Imprezas, in which case what was the point of your original question?
The fact that youngsters now own Classic Imprezas doesn't make them a bad car, it simply proves it's a very good car that is now old enough to become affordable.
The fact that youngsters now own Classic Imprezas doesn't make them a bad car, it simply proves it's a very good car that is now old enough to become affordable.
02 March 2006, 03:01 PM
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[quote=Boost II]Same way they built a cult followuing in the 90's.
Subaru need a car for £20k which will blow away the average top of the range family saloon and rival super car performance.
They exist even cheaper than 20K - European imports I still can't find a better performance car for £16k
Subaru need a car for £20k which will blow away the average top of the range family saloon and rival super car performance.
They exist even cheaper than 20K - European imports I still can't find a better performance car for £16k
02 March 2006, 03:02 PM
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I'm with this cult thing, I say YES, let's return to cult of the farmers car Then this sorry little jumped up boy racer phase of the Subaru history can be banished to history for good
Then this sorry little jumped up boy racer phase of the Subaru history can be banished to history for good
02 March 2006, 03:13 PM
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...and going slightly off topic, how much was the Saph Cossie when it came out? Think it was around £20k and that was in the late 80s!!
02 March 2006, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
So what car do you own Mr Bat? You don't like Classic Imprezas, you think the new Impreza is the "final" nail in the Subaru coffin, which implies you didn't like the blobeye either, so that leaves the Bugeye, which is not usually peoples favourite Impreza. Or perhaps you don't like Imprezas, in which case what was the point of your original question?
The fact that youngsters now own Classic Imprezas doesn't make them a bad car, it simply proves it's a very good car that is now old enough to become affordable.
The fact that youngsters now own Classic Imprezas doesn't make them a bad car, it simply proves it's a very good car that is now old enough to become affordable.
The new impreza just looks shocking, those clear lights are truly awful. Is it too much to ask to have something that looks a bit less like the best efforts of a 3 year old?
02 March 2006, 04:45 PM
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How can subaru revive its fortunes and make the impreza a serious proposition and not the joke it has become?
The good times were never going to last tho were they? As has been mentioned, it was XR3i's in the late 80's to 90's, Scoobs in the late 90's -05's, and now?....
I dont think many people 'desire' a Subaru now (other than chavs). If you rewind to the late 90's they were desired by enthusiasts as a performance bargain. Now many people would be embarressed to be seen in one
02 March 2006, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
They cant, its over. RIP Subaru.
The good times were never going to last tho were they? As has been mentioned, it was XR3i's in the late 80's to 90's, Scoobs in the late 90's -05's, and now?....
I dont think many people 'desire' a Subaru now (other than chavs). If you rewind to the late 90's they were desired by enthusiasts as a performance bargain. Now many people would be embarressed to be seen in one
The good times were never going to last tho were they? As has been mentioned, it was XR3i's in the late 80's to 90's, Scoobs in the late 90's -05's, and now?....
I dont think many people 'desire' a Subaru now (other than chavs). If you rewind to the late 90's they were desired by enthusiasts as a performance bargain. Now many people would be embarressed to be seen in one
Looks like your getting your models and makers confused
It also looks like the ba$tards caught me aswell now
02 March 2006, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Bat
The current round of visual changes to the impreza seem to put the final nail in the coffin, especially the rear end of it. How can subaru revive its fortunes and make the impreza a serious proposition and not the joke it has become?
My feelings are that the scoop should go, WR blue should go, gold wheels should go, outrageous spoilers should go (optional if you really feel the need) the engine needs to be a 3 litre turbocharged unit and it should weigh ideally around 1,200-1300kg, optional 2 door and maybe a system where you can turn the 4 wheel drive off, ie on a motorway and just have rear wheel drive? ( no idea if this is practical!!) Flappy paddle gearbox?!
Above all, get a decent designer in (for the interior as well), something understated but menacing would be ideal, who-ever designed the current car should seriously be out of a job.
Any other ideas, or am I talking rubbish !?
My feelings are that the scoop should go, WR blue should go, gold wheels should go, outrageous spoilers should go (optional if you really feel the need) the engine needs to be a 3 litre turbocharged unit and it should weigh ideally around 1,200-1300kg, optional 2 door and maybe a system where you can turn the 4 wheel drive off, ie on a motorway and just have rear wheel drive? ( no idea if this is practical!!) Flappy paddle gearbox?!
Above all, get a decent designer in (for the interior as well), something understated but menacing would be ideal, who-ever designed the current car should seriously be out of a job.
Any other ideas, or am I talking rubbish !?
Says who "they are becoming a joke" what sh**e
How many people come on here slating their car
Why dont they but an Audi and sod off
Basically rubbish
