aaronhowe

My arguement isn't what power the car made as results will vary a little but its how the car made it.

How come then in Evo mag issue 86 when you had a bmw 130i and golf r32 run they were both down on power.
The golf was down by 29hp
The BMW was down by 11hp
Both those figures are more than 1% out.
Its common knowledge that a lot of cars never make manufacturers claims as they are created in a perfect environment and there are always variations on a production line.

Also in an earlier post it was stated that :

Quote:

On a PPP car our 350 pack assumes the car is 305 to start with, so in essence it is a plus 50 pack. Therefor if you start with 290 you will end up with 340.

If ppp doesn't make the power quoted why should a standard factory car be any different.

Thats true but the car also made 340lb of torque at peak but i still said it had 330lbs as this is what it dropped to. The package I have also states that the power figure is 380hp - 390hp so its still within its claims. The power curve was also still smooth.

I didn't say you don't know how to use the software.

SRR use a 25,000cfm fan infront of the car. He then also had direct extraction of fumes from the exhaust. This by your definition is adequate airflow.

I do have a GRD stage 3 sti but I have no financial involvement with them and I agree it is all in the details as that is what this discussion is about.

zakster

Totally agree with aaronhowe on this one the wrc package does seem to go for headline firgures and does have flat spots,they really should look at there advertising and tell people exactly what they are getting with all the cons and pros of the package.I don't think it would hurt if the mapper or any company doing the modifications asked the customer just a few simple questions like what kind of driving they do?Trackwork,motorway,backroads,just simple questions like this would probably avoid dissapointments and taking the car back.

jd5217

But do you see many WRC customers complaining, NO.

I have the WRC350 non ppp on my car & am very happy with the results.

reano

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My car will be with wrc in a few weeks and what is most important to me will be what I feel when I drive it! If I can tell the difference and it feels adequately faster I will be happy. I very rarely reach the maxed out power/ torque on the road but when overtaking and off the lights I want to know the difference. PPP actually states thats you get 305bhp how many people get that?

jd5217

I got 294 bhp at WRC & Chris said at the time it was one of the highest he had seen.

wrc350bhp

from a 350?

reano

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p1doc

was it with wrc350bhp package?damn beaten to it!
martin

andypugh2000

Dear WRC,

If you would like to quote from posts on "my website" please ask permission first....

Surrey scoobies is not public domain, you have to be a registered user to even view it, all posts are the property of the poster if you read up.

I find your company very unprofessional.

AP

andypugh2000

Yes you need permission if they are not your posts

AP

urbanmyth

Hi just adding my 2p worth. I can speak from first hand experience.

WRC done my UK300 and I must say the service was first class. The car ran perfect and was a grate daily drive. I can’t rate WRC team high enough. The car ran the number they said it would 290Bhp with 315lb time after time.

I was so happy with them WRC team are now doing my 350Z APS twin turbo conversion. In all one satisfied customer.

Thanks Guys see you soon

wrx bill

how much power do you want u people
i would think that 350bhp is the upper limit of the turbo and maybe the injectors just my two peneth
ohh an all sti 7,8,9 should be atleast 380 bhp in my mind

andypugh2000

I have heard of waste gate chatter but turbo conversation is a new one on me

jd5217

Sorry, before the WRC package fitting, just the PPP.

Now running 351bhp & 370lb/ft

JohnD

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My STi PPP made 307 at Power Engineering but it came after a slight dip in the power curve as if it had a "second wind" The torque was mediocre at 288lbft
I went to TSL today for the re-map (By Richard Bulmer) The car is now noticably more responsive and feels more "alive" I wasn't expecting miracles as nothing else was changed but the result is excellent. I would like to take it back to Powers for another go on the rollers for comparison.
JohnD

EvoCarl

lol very quick there bud

GRIFF007

what car and mods are u running for those nice figures?

jd5217

STI8 with WRC350 package.

http://www.wrc-tech.co.uk/subaru-04sti-WRC350_2.htm

ex-webby

People need to stop getting bent out of shape regarding headline peak figures.... as in isolation they dont mean a fat lot. While peak figures are good for the customer as an instant fix, they do not accurately dictate how quick the car is or how well it drives (which for a road car is THE most important factor).

I could dsicuss a number of things that can be tweaked in the ECUTEK software, that whilst dont make much difference to a single gear power run plot would make the car much more responsive and quicker in-gear. This is nothing new, but does highlight how one dimensional a peak power figure is.

Regards,
Shaun.

wrx bill

Talk to Bob he will map it
i did an mines as faaaaaaaaaaaaast as ****

scogsywrx

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top..

andypugh2000

Genar stop stirring

Your location is wrong mate you know what it should be (SS)

scogsywrx

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who r u....

scogsywrx

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sorry mr AP......

reano

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Ok I've now had my car done and thought I'd give a review of the car and the WRC Technologies.

WARNING LONG THREAD AHEAD (go get a coffee)

I have had no previous experience with them but have dealt with loads of performance car specialist including those from the dark side my wife has a mitsubishi airtrek (260+ bhp and torque) anyway here goes...

Firstly what I usually do when going to these specialist is act a little dumb just to see what advantage they will try to take of you and you find out pretty quick.

Ok first thing on the phone WRC are excellent don't seem to rushed and will listen even if you describe things in basic terms. Alan was especially good in this respect. However email, hmmm guys you need to get this sorted still awaiting some response from that channel - no excuses about "rather be doing work, etc.." if you give your customers a method to communicate by you should monitor it.

I initial rang up in Feb and after an initial talk decided to leave a 50% deposit for ordering the APS parts. It wasn't until roughly a month later that I made contact with WRC again. Guys you need to keep track of customers and if things are being delayed give some feedback to the customer. I rang on a few occasions to check when the items would be in the country. One thing that was strange was although I had already paid £800 WRC did not have a record of it and asked if I could bring in my statement to show it had been paid out. I had no problem with that but I must admit it didn't fill me with confidence an £800 deposit is a big amount to not have on a system, book, etc somewhere . Anyway like I said I was ok with this but what if I had lost my statement?
Ok a few phone calls later we arranged a date for the car to be dropped of. I arranged that I would bring after work and WRC said they would wait until I arrived. I was running late and got there about 7pm (1.5hrs after there closing time and they were still there and no sign of being angry (I did phone and give an update) but you know how some specialist are it's like there the customer but WRC excellent. They said my car would probably go on the rollers in a bit and I could wait and watch if I wanted. I said no as I was in a rush but again that was excellent. They had a car waiting for me (I wanted one of the many porsche's there but they said I could only borrow the Evo ..... err just kidding it was some name I never heard of but good car 1800 on the clock 55 plate).

Next day rang them up how's it going/went. They told me the bad news first. My Subaru my53 sti ppp had dyno'd at 283!! and similar torque. Damn you 'Prodrive' - Anyway they said based on that result the aim would be for about 330 bhp with similar torque. Of course I wasnt 'that' happy but I understood from the before (explained by WRC before I went with the package) that it was around 50 on top of the quoted 300 - 305bhp of PPP. So I thought oh well.
I left if for a day and came in for Saturday. First thing Alan gave me the keys "we've given your car a clean ....." great I thought <--- more on this later. He told me to go for spin for ten minutes

OK OK .... bl**dy hell!! What a damn difference I mean like day and night difference to the PPP I wasn't to sure if some of it was due to the hired car I'd came out of but I also tested it a day after and today just to be sure and yep pick up a lot better, cruises better. The down side is the swooosh sound of the air rushing into the new cold box air induction but you get used to it and can't hear it above the radio. Well I have the noisekiller kit so maybe better for me ...

OK back to the office Alan took me through the charts by this time I had a big grin over my face I was trying to look serious and calm but couldn't help it. He was explaining about the bhp not getting to the magically 350 it was 335bhp and torque around 360 lb/ft DAMN!!! He did say well it's mainly about the torque which of cause is part right but it's no good if the bhp and gearing is crap (don't wanna change up/down all the time) but I sat back and listened as if I didn't understand but to be honest I didn't care the car was brilliant I just wanted to get out and kick some butt on the road...

So Alan finishes with the before and after graphs and then presents the bill.
"Ok here's the balance..." and this includes the "...mini valet" now I don't remember asking to pay for a mini valet as it was put to me "..the car looked lived in.." cause it does its a daily driver ... plus the valetting is what my kids are for . Anyway to be honest I wasn't bothered but a note for future reference ask your customers if they want to PAY for valeting please don't assume it. I mean even the guys at Xtreme Autos from the dark side (who have some high servicing, etc costs) do the Mitsu valeting for free.

So I paid up leave and am happy. Let me check in the boot the STI intercooler should be there. Nope it isn't so I rang up today to request it back (I could pay for 10 valets if I sold that) but will probably keep if someone wants the originals back on.

OK so to summarise.

Good Points

1) Performance is fantastic compared to standard PPP if you are considering it you won't regret it the sound of the induction may be the only bit you may not like.
2) Intercooler looks well... cool
3) WRC premises very clean, nice.
4) Staff very friendly make you feel welcome and generally explain things very well even when you look dumb...

Bad points

1) Guys try to record the deposits (well mine anyway) if it did get temp lost, system crash what ever apologise a lot to the customer and they will feel better.
2) Ask customers before all paid services 'mini valet' you did an excellent job I have no complaints with the quality of it but I wasn't asked (maybe it was a misunderstanding ... get out clause ).
3) Any parts taken off a car especially the intercooler ask the customer if they would like it back all the audio shops, specialist I go to give back the crappy speakers, etc or at least ask do you want those or we could use it. You never know some customers may say you keep it.
4) Track deposits or apologise more

How do I rate them 7.5-8/10. If the points above were addressed I would give 9 - 10/10. As they delivered on the things I wanted and I have big grin even now can't wait to get into the car. Would I use them again ... Of course already thinking about having an automatic water spray fitted by them (note and there are nearer subaru specialists to me too).

Hope this helps someone

jd5217

Glad you are pleased with the results.

Mine was there at the end of last month for more upgrades, now running 385bhp & 340lb/ft.

Which automatic water spray are you looking at?

reano

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Don't know yet. Alan said someone on here had one that they fitted and found good. Are you that person?

cw42

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just sat down with a beer, and have this to read, result

cw42

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Good read reano, thanks for that. Nice to read about garage services, and how they treat customers. I'll be going the big bhp route in the future, probably next year now, so it's good to get an idea of what's available.

chris.

p1doc

i take it that is not on standard turbo?
martin